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Professional sports leagues know the value of competitive balance.
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Jun 27, 2024, 8:54 AM
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They maintain this in two very distinct ways. Competitive balance is what makes pro sports the moneymakers that they are. Without it fan interest will dwindle.
1. A draft of new talent that gives priority to the worst teams in the league.
2. Some form of salary cap that keeps the big market teams from significantly outspending their competition.
With the NIL, high school recruitment, and the transfer portal, these are not factored into college athletics.
Starting with salary cap: If these (formerly) student athletes want to be paid like professional athletes, there will need to be some form of limits set on the spending. I know it will only take seconds for someone to argue that NIL, as an agreement between a player and a corporation who wants to pay him/her to market their product, cannot be limited. Let's be real here, NIL today is pay for play. It is not (largely) paying players for the right to use their name, image, or likeness to promote anything. So, until NIL can be regulated to be a true NIL agreement between player and corporate interests, it is ruinous to any semblance of competitive balance in college sports.
New talent. I know this will get dicey. But again, if college athletes want to be paid like professionals, then they need to expect to be treated like them. The best player in college sports cannot insist on playing for the best team or his favorite team. What will the reaction be when Mr. Five star QB can't play for Clemson because UVa has the first pick?
This "professionalizing" of college athletics has opened and will continue to open cans of worms that were not anticipated or at least were not well thought through. I hope college football can survive and be what we have all loved for decades. I am just not hopeful.
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Re: Professional sports leagues know the value of competitive balance.
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Jun 27, 2024, 9:03 AM
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Good post. It has become professional football and should be treated as such. If you are receiving revenue directly from the University to play football, which players will be with this new revenue sharing agreement, you should be made an employee of the University. Have some honesty about your product.
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If the NCAA can enforce a scholarship cap at 85 per team,
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Jun 27, 2024, 9:05 AM
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they should be in a similar position to impose an NIL cap per team.
Just like a team's roster maxes out and there's no more room for a player that wants to attend there, NIL limits could do the same. Want a $1 Million to play? Great. If a team is full though on their NIL cap they won't be an option - have to choose from a program that has the space. Or ask for less.
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Yes, right now college athletes are being treated as if they can have anything
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Jun 27, 2024, 9:09 AM
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and everything they want. Professional sports doesn't work that way. Nothing in the real world works that way.
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Re: If the NCAA can enforce a scholarship cap at 85 per team,
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Jun 27, 2024, 9:20 AM
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You'll never see a cap on NIL. That is directly to a person, not team. Graduation standards with penalties for not graduating 100% of your players should really help. After all, these are supposed to be schools for learning. EX. UGA would be limited to less than half of a team after their awesome 40%+ graduation rate last year.
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Two questions.
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Jun 27, 2024, 9:26 AM
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One, do you really believe NIL as it currently stands is an agreement with a player to allow the use of his name, image, or likeness to promote a legitimate business interest? Or, is it "hey buddy, here's $1.5 mill to come play for my favorite team. If it is the former, you are correct it cannot be regulated. If it is (as most of us suspect) the latter, it must be exposed as such and regulated.
Two, if no one is holding teams accountable to graduation rates when student athletes were supposed to be students, do you really see anyone holding them accountable when "student" is replaced with "employee"?
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The NCAA could establish a measure for NIL in such a way as
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Jun 27, 2024, 10:34 AM
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to gauge whether there is actual NIL / marketing value behind deals - otherwise it's simply pay for play which isn't covered. And while an NIL deal is among private parties, there still could exist a limit per team as to how much of that activity is taking place within each program. Like scholarship limits, if a program is maxed out on the NIL front, prospects may not have that school as an option, or a team may have to 'cut' an underperforming player to free up space.
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Re: The NCAA could establish a measure for NIL in such a way as
Jun 27, 2024, 11:21 AM
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No, that would still be illegal.
What the NCAA can do is limit the school spending budget, which is exactly what they are doing (~$20M per school).
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Re: The NCAA could establish a measure for NIL in such a way as
Jun 27, 2024, 11:27 AM
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I'm not convinced it is illegal. You're not limiting how much a kid can make at any point, what you are doing is limiting 'where' he can make it. Just like scholarship limits aren't taking away a kid's ability to play, they're just limiting the options they have based on those size limits, which have been in place for decades.
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Re: The NCAA could establish a measure for NIL in such a way as
Jun 27, 2024, 11:45 AM
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Yes, it's illegal as explicitly determined by the supreme court. You cannot prevent or limit an individual's ability to earn money on his own name-image-likeness. It is not the school that is writing the check, so the school cannot get involved.
Of course we all know that private entities and individuals are manipulating the system to be pay-for-play instead pay-for-NIL, but that still does not mean that the NCAA can instill $$ limits on schools or individuals.
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Re: The NCAA could establish a measure for NIL in such a way as
Jun 27, 2024, 12:02 PM
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Again - not limiting what an individual can earn. The limit is on what program he can earn it through or be affiliated with, just like a scholarship. You are confusing what the supreme court decision allowed for IMO in this instance.
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Re: The NCAA could establish a measure for NIL in such a way as
Jun 27, 2024, 3:01 PM
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"Through" in this case is private enterprise. How would you limit what a private company can pay an individual? You cannot link that back to the school.
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Re: The NCAA could establish a measure for NIL in such a way as
Jun 27, 2024, 3:54 PM
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"Through" is in reference to the school. No limits to what a private company can pay an individual. The limit would be on the college football program itself and the level and amount of private deals with players it can accommodate on its roster as a whole and still be eligible to participate in championships and such that member schools agreed to. A kid can continue to ask for and earn whatever NIL makes sense, they just might be limited on the programs that can fit them in. The SCOTUS ruling did not address this - only that kids playing amateur and collegiate sports can't be forbidden to earn money while doing so. Period. Nothing, not a thing, about a league policing itself with a per program cap to maintain a competitive balance, which scholarship limits are in place for, setting precedent, which opens the door for this.
We're obviously not going to agree on this, and I'm taking that neither of us has a law degree to boot so it's layman opinion versus layman opinion.
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I hope someone is financially responsible for these young kids getting paid
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Jun 27, 2024, 9:14 AM
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and knowing nothing about taxes yet other than someone complaining about having to pay them...
Unless NIL money is tax-free which it definitely should not be, then I am guessing many players will have multiple tax liens on property that they "think" they own only to be hit with realization that you own nothing if you do not pay your taxes, until you pay those taxes and fines if you are capable.
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Understand, I am not complaining about paying them.
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Jun 27, 2024, 9:20 AM
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There is no question that college football players have turned the sport into a multi billion dollar industry. They should reap the rewards that go with that. That being said, the transition from the old model to the new needed to be well designed, executed in phases, and have an oversight and accountability plan in place. None of these were true.
I agree with your comment about taxes. Since NIL is technically "contract work", I would assume they would need to pay quarterly taxes. I am confident Clemson explains this fully and makes sure there is a system in place. Other schools, I'm not as confident.
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Re: Understand, I am not complaining about paying them.
Jun 27, 2024, 12:10 PM
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Yes, the NIL was basically approved and it has been a free for all....no regulation is a scary thing, and a more defined process needs to be implemented. However, the NCAA has basically zero power any more and the conferences control every aspect. What has done is done, and let us all hope that before it gets completely out of hand that something is done to keep the competitive spirit of the sport alive. Otherwise, it simply becomes a minor league football system which it has always been but minus any payment...I agree with you completely. These athletes should be paid, but it should have structured
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ding ding ding
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Jun 27, 2024, 10:50 AM
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one school could technically have a 100 mil salary cap while other schools cant even afford 30.allowing it to go with no regulation is the big issue. that along with the free agency has no limit as well. being a free agent every season is asinine and factor in how some schools have massive salary caps. tampering plays a role as well
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While we don't know the exact numbers, what you describe is happening
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Jun 27, 2024, 11:03 AM
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right now.
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Re: Professional sports leagues know the value of competitive balance.
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Jun 27, 2024, 11:07 AM
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You hit the nail on the head -- without a draft, there can be no competitive balance on the field AND with NIL, there can be no competitive balance off the field.
Where the rubber will meet the road is when the current alumni fans walk away from CFB -- can those high value consumers/alums be replaced with the casual fan? Maybe in the near term (see Colorado viewership last season) but I don't think it will stick long term.
CFB value is in the school brands (aka platform), not the performers (athletes).
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Well said. In the short run fans may migrate to the "hot team" but in the long
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Jun 27, 2024, 11:15 AM
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run that is not sustainable. For me, I barely watch NFL football. The exception to that is the Jags because of the Clemson players that are there. Take that away and I would have zero motivation to watch NFL games. In a few years let's say there are 50 teams playing "professionalized college football". Where will the fans of the other 84 teams and their fans go? What has happened is we have tried to fix a broken system in a panic rather than methodically and with a common purpose.
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Re: Professional sports leagues know the value of competitive balance.
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Jun 27, 2024, 11:19 AM
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Limiting NIL would be like penalizing the Warriors because Steph Curry is in a Subway commercial. It would be impossible and illegal to do.
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Re: Professional sports leagues know the value of competitive balance.
Jun 27, 2024, 11:26 AM
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You are correct BUT if it's "pay for play" it could be looked at as an unfair practice. For example, there is nothing illegal about the Atlanta Falcons reaching out to players on other NFL rosters but the NFL still penalized/fined them for tampering.
CFB needs an NCAA-like organization that sets the rules, investigates violations, and penalized rule breakers.
I'm not sure on how we get there but that is what needs to happen.
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Re: Professional sports leagues know the value of competitive balance.
Jun 27, 2024, 11:55 AM
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Baseball doesn't really have it. NFL does.
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MLB has a luxury tax to penalize teams that exceed the salary cap.
Jun 27, 2024, 12:08 PM
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MLB draft is very similar to NBA's lottery system
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Re: MLB has a luxury tax to penalize teams that exceed the salary cap.
Jun 27, 2024, 12:16 PM
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The teams without a lot of cash general don't compete. Big market teams generally dominate. They have the cash.
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Re: Professional sports leagues know the value of competitive balance.
Jun 27, 2024, 12:34 PM
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I feel you can not get the genie back in the bottle. College football is going to change drastically in next 10 years to a point where there are around 32-40 teams in the top division not controlled by ncaa at all. Meaning no classes or academic requirements to enter schools. Those schools will pay players and the players will play for teams x and no transfer without penalty of some sort.
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And I have two questions (not to mean I don't agree with you)
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One: How will you feel about Clemson football of Clemson is one of those 32-40 teams?
Two: What will be your interest in college football in general if Clemson is not one of those 32-40 teams?
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