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People last years defense had nothing to do with
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the offense and DJ. In 2021 the offense was as bad as it ever was. The defense was still dominant and finished top 10 right? Ok.
Fast forward a year. The offense isn’t great but much improved. See the WF game for example. However even with offensive improvement our defense fell off big time. Oh and btw we had ALL those dlineman and Simpson last year right? So how do you blame the offense for that? It’s coaching period. If you can’t see it I feel sorry for ya. Goodwin is a dud. The players don’t even trust his calls. See Philips interview. Because DJ was bad and now that he is gone he is just the scapegoat for every other problem we’ve had the last two years and it’s absolute BS.
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Clemson Icon [24367]
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Re: People last years defense had nothing to do with
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Aug 21, 2023, 3:51 PM
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Yep. I'm expecting to see the Defense step up BIG this year!
Tee up the ball.
GO TIGERS!!!
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Freshman [-25]
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Re: People last years defense had nothing to do with
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Aug 21, 2023, 3:56 PM
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It’s not going to happen. Kids are already way too soft these days as it is. Add in Wes Goodwin, who has absolutely no fire and you’re going to see a timid defense that lets things come to them instead of attacking the offense. Other than Xavier Thomas, we have no proven defensive ends. We’re having to rely on true freshman because all the other ones we recruited haven’t been developed at all or we misevaluated their talent….. we have two proven linebackers that can’t play the whole game. Wiggins and Jones on the outside at corner. Teams are going to run off tackle on us all season long. Our defensive backs are so small now look at all of them they don’t have any size any strength they can’t get off of blocks.
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Re: People last years defense had nothing to do with
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Aug 21, 2023, 4:00 PM
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You just permanently solidified your ignorance.
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All-In [10894]
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Re: People last years defense had nothing to do with
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Aug 21, 2023, 6:56 PM
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He’s an idiot coot
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Legend [6956]
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Legend [6956]
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the freshmen DBs
Aug 21, 2023, 4:14 PM
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Lukas and Pride Jr are going to shine this year. I also think Avion Terrel is taking a starting spot by season's end.
I really think the freshmen and sophomore Clemson defenders are going to either elevate the upperclassmen or straight up replace them
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Freshman [-25]
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Re: savage take and somewhat a good read
Aug 21, 2023, 4:15 PM
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Oh it’s a very negative outlook for sure but I’m realistic man. There’s always two sides. There is what you want to happen and there is what you think is going to happen.
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All-In [10894]
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Re: savage take and somewhat a good read
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Aug 21, 2023, 6:58 PM
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But you cited small DBs and that is factually incorrect. You are looking for reasons to complain and don’t have any valid points.
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Freshman [-25]
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Re: savage take and somewhat a good read
Aug 21, 2023, 9:50 PM
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None of our db’s are run stoppers on the perimeter
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Clemson Icon [27529]
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Re: savage take and somewhat a good read
Aug 22, 2023, 8:33 AM
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Did you watch Makuba his freshman year??
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Legend [6956]
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Freshman [-25]
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Re: Clemson will go 15-0 this year. but not with starters from
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Freshman [-25]
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Re: Clemson will go 15-0 this year. but not with starters from
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Aug 21, 2023, 4:18 PM
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Our talent level has fallen off and we’re going to get outcoached in pretty much every game because we have some of the most incompetent position coaches in football
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Paw Warrior [4985]
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Re: Clemson will go 15-0 this year. but not with starters from
Aug 21, 2023, 5:01 PM
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You going to say that to Nick Eason?
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Re: Clemson will go 15-0 this year. but not with starters from
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Aug 21, 2023, 5:58 PM
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Or Coach Reed that UGA tried to hire away.
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Freshman [-25]
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Re: People last years defense had nothing to do with
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Aug 21, 2023, 10:17 PM
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I’m talking bulk. Like Andrew booth. Or the ability to get off blocks which only 25 has shown the ability to do. Mukuba is pretty solid coming up to help and was hurt last year but no way do Wiggins and Jones have the strength to help us on the perimeter.
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Hall of Famer [8128]
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Re: People last years defense had nothing to do with
Aug 21, 2023, 3:58 PM
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I think we had a lot of injuries on the D last year. Seems like every week Dabo was talking about someone not playing.
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Freshman [-25]
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Re: People last years defense had nothing to do with
Aug 21, 2023, 4:00 PM
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Nope that’s an excuse. Even so, our previous defenses have all had some injuries as well you know, and they still performed much better than last year.
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Orange Immortal [68087]
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^^^ Poster child...^^^
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Aug 21, 2023, 3:59 PM
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for "some people just aren't happy unless they're b!tch!ing and moaning about something".
I'm betting you're the guy NO ONE wants to site near during games.
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Freshman [-25]
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Re: ^^^ Poster child...^^^
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Aug 21, 2023, 4:01 PM
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Wrong. Other fans are bitching about the offense keeping the defense tired last year. I’m simply defending that the offense wasn’t the problem in that regard. It’s not even debatable. Go look at the numbers from 2021 compared to 2022 offensively and see how much we improved in every category and then come back and tell me that the defense sucked last year because we were tired…. well why wasn’t that case in 2021 when we had less talent than we had last year?
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Valley Protector [1435]
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Re: ^^^ Poster child...^^^
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Aug 21, 2023, 5:00 PM
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That's not really accurate. Last year's offense was not as good as you claim. If we look at 2016-2022 (excluding 2021), last year's offense was the worst in ppg, ypg, passing ypg, completion %, yyp, sacks, and turnovers.
To put it in perspective, the next worse team in each category was: 2017(ppg), 2017(ypg), 2017(passing ypg), 2019(completion %), 2017(ypp), 2017(sacks), 2016(turnovers).
Basically, in the last 7 years, 2021 offense was the worst, 2022 was 2nd worst, 2017 was 3rd 3rd worst. The two worst offenses were with DJ Uiagalelei, and the third worst was with Kelly Bryant.
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Freshman [-25]
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Re: ^^^ Poster child...^^^
Aug 21, 2023, 6:51 PM
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Dude, you’re obviously not following this conversation. The whole argument is that last year‘s -O caused the defense to be tired so I’m comparing last year‘s O to the previous year so it doesn’t matter how good they were last year it’s just that they were much better from 2021 when the defense wasn’t tired.
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Valley Protector [1435]
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Re: ^^^ Poster child...^^^
Aug 21, 2023, 9:38 PM
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I don't care what the "argument" is. I care about facts.
The 2021 defense returned 9 starters. The 2022 defense only returned 6. In particular, the 22 secondary only returned 1 starter in the secondary (Makuba).
So how did that manifest itself? The 22 defense allowed 232 passing ypg game, which was not good. However, the 22 defense only allowed 103 rushing ypg. In the last 7 years, only the 2018 and 2021 defenses were better (96 rushing ypg). For comparison, the 2016 defense, which won a national championship, gave up 130 rushing ypg. The difference? The 22 defense returned all 4 starters on the d-line.
So let's recap. The 22 defense returned all 4 d-line starters and was good against the run. They only returned 1 starter in the secondary and were not good against the pass. Plus, there were a lot of injuries to a secondary breaking in 3 new starters. I'd say we have our answer.
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Freshman [-25]
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Re: ^^^ Poster child...^^^
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Aug 21, 2023, 6:53 PM
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Simply put if the offense was worse in 2021 and the defense was top 10 then how did the offense improve over the year and the defense get worse? Our fans are claiming that last years O caused the D to fail. That’s just factually incorrect and total BS. Our fans speak in platitudes and say memorized lines. It’s just stupid period
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Valley Protector [1435]
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Re: ^^^ Poster child...^^^
Aug 21, 2023, 9:41 PM
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I just answered that in the previous post. The 21 defense returned 9 of 11 starters. The 22 defense only returned 6 of ll starters, with the secondary only returning 1 of 4 starters.
The 22 defense was not helped by the fact that the 22 offense was worse than the 2017 offense, when Kelly Bryant was the quarterback.
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Paw Master [17559]
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Re: ^^^ Poster child...^^^
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Aug 21, 2023, 6:23 PM
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I’m sure you’ve done a careful analysis but in our final three games wherein we went 1-2 we were 71st in the country in offensive time of possession. We were worse in the Notre Dame game. That and average field position are the two most important factors affecting the defense. And yes, the defense was better in 2021. An offense with half a pulse would have played for the national championship that year. Interesting that you acknowledge the offense improved (marginally) but somehow think the defense is in a death spiral? I’d love to see youre notes on the future outlook circa 2010.
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Orange Blooded [2179]
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Re: ^^^ Poster child...^^^
Aug 21, 2023, 7:12 PM
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“Season” averages are fun to look at, but do not tell much for our losses.
What were our offensive statistics in the losses? Turnovers, completion rate, 3rd down conversions, passing:rushing yards, etc.
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Freshman [-25]
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Re: ^^^ Poster child...^^^
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Aug 21, 2023, 4:02 PM
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The first way that you know you’re right on tiger net is when people come at you not discussing what you’re actually talking about but just with comments like yours
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Orange Immortal [68087]
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Whatever help you sleep at night princess!***
Aug 21, 2023, 4:18 PM
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Freshman [-25]
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Re: Whatever help you sleep at night princess!***
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Aug 21, 2023, 4:18 PM
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I sleep just fine knowing I’m right
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Orange Immortal [68087]
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Well...I could agree with you but then we'd both be wrong.***
Aug 21, 2023, 4:41 PM
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Freshman [-25]
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Re: Whatever help you sleep at night princess!***
Aug 21, 2023, 4:20 PM
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Somethings are a matter of opinion, but it is factually incorrect to say that last year‘s offense caused the defense to stay on the field and tire out, when that is simply not the case. It’s easy to say that because DJ Ian’s streeter are both gone so they’re no longer Clemson Tigers so we can just bash them but oh my goodness let’s not say one word about Wes Goodwin because he still a Clemson coach, even though hes not any good and he has no fire. The dude doesn’t even look like he would slap his wife on the ### from behind.
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Game Changer [1604]
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Re: Whatever help you sleep at night princess!***
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CharlieSow,
This is Dabo's record and accomplishments. I would say he knows more about football than you will ever know. Below are the facts and they are not in dispute!
Overall 161–39
Bowls 11–8
Tournaments 6–4 (CFP)
Accomplishments and honors
Championships
2 National (2016, 2018)
8 ACC (2011, 2015–2020, 2022)
10 ACC Atlantic Division (2009, 2011, 2012, 2015–2020, 2022)
Awards
3× Paul "Bear" Bryant Award (2015, 2016, 2018)
AFCA Coach of the Year (2015)
AP College Football Coach of the Year (2015)
Sporting News Coach of the Year (2015)
Walter Camp Coach of the Year (2015)
Home Depot Coach of the Year (2015)
George Munger Award (2015)
Bobby Dodd Coach of the Year (2011)
2× ACC Coach of the Year (2015, 2018)
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Hall of Famer [8118]
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Re: ^^^ Poster child...^^^
Aug 21, 2023, 9:59 PM
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Yep, he's the guy who screams "throw the bawl" every time we run, or "run the bawl" after every incomplete pass. Then starts naming back-ups we should be playing. I sit near one of these clowns every year it seems. IQ of a toaster. Somehow these people hold down jobs and procreate
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Game Changer [2073]
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Re: People last years defense had nothing to do with
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Aug 21, 2023, 4:03 PM
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May or may not be the biggest factor but when you play tight trying to do too much because the other side is struggling, it affects the performance.
Injuries to secondary and corresponding youth can’t be overstated. Everyone points to Wake and we were playing freshmen in the back.
Bresee was underwhelming all year (gets a pass) and Murphy was hit or miss.
It’s also fair to say that FSU(road), Wake(road), NCSt, ND(road), SC, UNC(neutral), and TN(neutral) were all better offensively vs 2021 opponents (sans Pitt).
That all said, I think Wes underperformed as well but he was basically a freshman too.
We’ll see what happens this year but our D line should be as good if XT stays healthy and the next two levels will be better in addition to coaching.
Top 10 D should be the expectation imo
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Freshman [-25]
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Re: People last years defense had nothing to do with
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Aug 21, 2023, 4:04 PM
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And that’s another problem in itself like you said we had a freshman Defensive coordinator and this is Clemson football for crying out loud. Dabo hires incompetent football coaches these days
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Offensive Star [309]
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CBV had a lot to do with....
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CDS giving CWG the opportunity at DC.... And I believe if CWG doesn't produce a top 20 D this year, then it will be his last unless injuries figure in heavily.... However, I believe a much improved offense will take pressure off the D....
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National Champion [7703]
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maybe the exception to the rule but Dabo was 6-6 his
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freshman season as a coach and so was Danny Ford. Things can and have worked out in the past here for newby coaches. One of the biggest issues is we're trying to compare his results against the results of the best Defensive Coordinator in the country in Brent Venables. We were spoiled. Anyone who came after Brent was going to be a downgrade. Its just factual.
I agree though that this year is really important to his future. You can't have a subpar year this year. You've had a chance to get your feet under you and now its about results of your coaching. WE shall see.
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Clemson Sports Icon [59238]
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Re: Huh?
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Freshman [-25]
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Re: Huh?
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Aug 21, 2023, 4:09 PM
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Cool now go look at my other post and come back and tell me I’m wrong
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Clemson Sports Icon [59238]
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Re: Huh?
Aug 21, 2023, 8:02 PM
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Tiger Titan [50583]
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Re: People last years defense had nothing to do with
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Aug 21, 2023, 5:09 PM
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Who let the coots in and dogs in. I know who it was————> Jealousy!
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Clemson Conqueror [11636]
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Re: People last years defense had nothing to do with
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The D had a lot of injuries last year in the secondary and on the line. And don't forget, the offense and special teams gave up a few scores last year. I would like to give Wes some time before we call him a dud. Venables first two years here we gave up 24.8 and 22.2 ppg. The reason we were good was because of our explosive offense, something we have not had the last two years.
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Team Captain [493]
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Re: People last years defense had nothing to do with
Aug 21, 2023, 6:00 PM
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Should there be a limit on the number of rhetorical questions "asked"?
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All-American [560]
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Re: People last years defense had nothing to do with
Aug 21, 2023, 6:05 PM
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Shut up coot. Just be ready for that beat down in Columbia and that trophy case being empty again
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Clemson Conqueror [11851]
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Re: People last years defense had nothing to do with
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Aug 21, 2023, 6:08 PM
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You have no idea what you are talking about. Goodwin didn't cause Breesee's tragic circumstances with his sister. Goodwin didn't cause Breesee's infection and lost time. Goodwin had to play Simpson out of position. Goodwin didn't cause Makuba's shoulder injury. Your post is absolute BS ...... not Goodwin's coaching.
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Freshman [-25]
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Re: People last years defense had nothing to do with
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Aug 21, 2023, 6:57 PM
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No, your post is absolute BS because they switched Simpson and Carter at the end of the year and they played much better so no, they decided to move Trenton Simpson in the off-season to a different position and it didn’t work out. It wasn’t because they had to it was because they chose to. They should’ve left Simpson where he was, and left carter where he was instead of switching both of their natural positions. Once again I’m right
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Orange Blooded [2263]
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When you find yourself in a hole, quit digging, but ..
Aug 21, 2023, 7:13 PM
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please continue. I’m enjoying seeing you make a fool of yourself.
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Paw Warrior [4833]
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Goodwin is probably the most important “key” to us reaching the playoffs
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Aug 21, 2023, 6:31 PM
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And playing for a Natty. Our defense should be one if not the best in the Nation. Can we live up to it? Did he learn from last year?
Last year was definitely disappointing. I’m ready for him to live up to the hype that Coach Swinney has placed on him.
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Redshirt [99]
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So we can pencil you in as a NO for the TNet meet up?
Aug 21, 2023, 7:03 PM
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Asking for a writer friend.
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Ring of Honor [21640]
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Re: People last years defense had nothing to do with
Aug 21, 2023, 7:39 PM
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Welp you can save a lot of time this year not watching due to already knowing the end result
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All-In [10896]
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Re: People last years defense had nothing to do with
Aug 21, 2023, 7:41 PM
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How did this post age for ya? Not looking so good!
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