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This is not fair.
Apr 15, 2014, 8:52 PM
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The rich really should be paying more, in taxes.
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LOL
Apr 15, 2014, 9:49 PM
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CIC/Mrs Mutt paid 19%
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How's that government check?***
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Re: How's that government check?***
Apr 16, 2014, 6:34 AM
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uhhhhh...I don't even know how to respond to this or, what it even means?
How's that government check? I'm sorry, I don't know. You have me confused with someone else. I'm currently headed for another $20K tax year. What a privilege it is, to live and work in this free country of ours.
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Well, there is the option to not earn so much.
Apr 18, 2014, 2:24 PM
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That is the quickest way to pay less taxes.
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This is what I've been waiting for!
Apr 15, 2014, 11:06 PM
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Can't believe it took until the 15th to happen.
OK, does anyone care to know why that chart is bu11shit?
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No need for you to explain.
Apr 16, 2014, 6:29 AM
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Not to me anyway. I am fully aware that you leftwing nuts think that the wealthy should pay all that they earn, to support your bloated government.
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You prefer the strawman to reality. Got it.***
Apr 16, 2014, 7:39 AM
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You and balm live in the same "reality".
Apr 16, 2014, 5:20 PM
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You'll not talk down to me about "reality".
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Ultimate Tiger [35424]
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There's only one reality.
Apr 16, 2014, 7:14 PM
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It's not this: I am fully aware that you leftwing nuts think that the wealthy should pay all that they earn, to support your bloated government.
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Sorry about the exaggeration. I fixed it.
Apr 16, 2014, 7:47 PM
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I am fully aware that you leftwing nuts think that the wealthy should pay a majority, of that they earn, to support your bloated government.
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Ultimate Tiger [35424]
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Reality called. It says it misses you.***
Apr 16, 2014, 10:44 PM
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And you accuse me of projecting. Rich.***
Apr 17, 2014, 8:07 AM
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I'm sorry, what are we arguing about again?***
Apr 17, 2014, 11:34 AM
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Whew! You can say that again.
Apr 17, 2014, 1:02 PM
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Way to yank it down a notch.
Although I am not a member of the party, I didn't realize you were a flaming dim. Now, I do.
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Like I said, arguing politics is stupid, gotta love the
Apr 17, 2014, 1:17 PM
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"flaming dim"...I am not affiliated with either party, moron.
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Re: Like I said, arguing politics is stupid, gotta love the
Apr 17, 2014, 4:52 PM
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Oh no! The moron called me a moron.
I should pay just to thumb you down so you can cry with me.
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You don't want to tangle with this guy.
Apr 16, 2014, 7:13 AM
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He knows EVERYTHING!
LoL
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Re: You don't want to tangle with this guy.
Apr 16, 2014, 7:39 AM
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Come on BRT, you're the one who knew everything in your previous post to me. Don't go projecting yourself onto others.
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Re: This is what I've been waiting for!
Apr 16, 2014, 7:47 AM
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Lumbee, always with the sentence fragments with question marks at the end. Curious debate strategy.
Yes, really. Lumbee, do you really think that numbers cannot be wrong?
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Re: This is what I've been waiting for!
Apr 16, 2014, 7:58 AM
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They may be wrong but I would imagine that Heritage is pretty careful given that 95% of the media backed by the weight of the POTUS and the Demo party is steadfastly against them.
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Re: This is what I've been waiting for!
Apr 16, 2014, 8:35 AM
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"The media backed by the weight of the POTUS." Do you take yourself seriously?
I don't recall the last time "Obama's media" went after Heritage. If they did, maybe they'd start with this question: In the chart BRT posted, what counts as "income"?
See, because if you think it means the amount of money those people earned, then the numbers are wrong.
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Ultimate Tiger [34947]
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If you want to protest the representation of the data, you
Apr 16, 2014, 7:23 AM
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should go ahead and do it, and explain why.
This is like one of those FB drama queen posts that end with the phrase, "...I just can't talk about it."
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Ultimate Tiger [35424]
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Ouch.
Apr 16, 2014, 7:42 AM
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Mumbo, you of all people. I just figured I'd take a new route this year. Every year someone makes this argument about what % of taxes the rich pay, and every year I point out why it's ridiculous. I was just making sure that it worth it to post the same old explanations every time these posts come up. (Silly me, why didn't I just bookmark the last one? Can anyone get Tnet's crappy search function to work?)
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Re: Ouch.
Apr 16, 2014, 8:01 AM
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You going with the brilliant comparison of unrealized capital gains versus ordinary income ?
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Re: Ouch.
Apr 16, 2014, 8:37 AM
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No, and I'm not sure what the point would be. Are you pointing out that massive amounts of income can be hidden as long as the assets aren't sold? If so, yes, decent point, but not what I was thinking.
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Ultimate Tiger [34947]
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Here's what I think: People who come from upper middle class
Apr 16, 2014, 9:10 AM
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and higher backgrounds understand about money, how to save it, earn it, and what reasonable expectations of lifestyle are, as a rule. We all know a few exceptions. My son had an Econ professor at PC who absolutely inspired him to save money right away, showing how time is your friend when talking about compounded interest.
The lower class folks do not understand much of this, and they are fed a pile of crap every election cycle about how it isn't their fault, that "rich people" are taking it from them. Some of them buy it, and some of them are smart enough to realize that they can start climbing the ladder. I have a nephew who comes from a terrible background, just a sorry family, and they did nothing to help this kid see his way out of the trailer park, even though he lucked out in the brains department. He went to Clemson, got a EE degree, and had no idea of how to interview for a job, what's appropriate to ask, talk about, etc. He is making more money than any of his family ever did, but if hadn't been for my sister and her husband, he wouldn't even have proper glasses prescriptions, or a suit to wear to his first interview.
The point I am making is that making money and having money, can not be equally distributed. It goes against human nature. The fact that tax laws have been largely written by Democrats for the last 60 years should be advertised more often. Republicans have lowered percentages, and Bush eliminated the lower bracket in his tax cuts, so I don't see how that hurt poor people. I am not going to assert that Republicans have been good stewards of money, or that there haven't been some Democrats who were good on budgetary constraints, I am just tired of the whole "unfairness" argument. You just can't legislate that.
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Re: Here's what I think: People who come from upper middle class
Apr 16, 2014, 10:19 AM
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Agreed on much of that. I don't know that Dems are more responsible than Pubs for the tax laws, though.
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Ultimate Tiger [34947]
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Based on number of years in control of Congress, and when
Apr 16, 2014, 10:30 AM
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tax laws were addressed.
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Ultimate Tiger [35424]
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Re: Based on number of years in control of Congress, and when
Apr 16, 2014, 10:48 AM
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Sure, but the Pubs controlled the House when Obamacare was passed. Who wrote Obamacare?
No doubting your sincerity, but I think you'd really need to scrutinize the laws to know how much pull each party had with each law. Which neither of us are likely to ever want to do.
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Ultimate Tiger [34947]
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No one thinks that Republicans wrote most of tax law, but
Apr 16, 2014, 11:23 AM
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even if that was the case, what have the Dem periods of control wrought? Massive fairness? No. Just more of the same.
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Ultimate Tiger [35424]
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"No one thinks that."
Apr 16, 2014, 12:13 PM
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On this topic, I have no idea what everyone thinks or no one thinks. If you have any facts, I'd be interested. Otherwise I'll keep this in the category of Unknown.
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Ultimate Tiger [34947]
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OK, who wrote The Great Society legislation and tax law, and
Apr 16, 2014, 12:37 PM
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then the ACA and Judge Roberts' subsequently ruled tax law?
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Re: OK, who wrote The Great Society legislation and tax law, and
Apr 16, 2014, 1:47 PM
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The Great Society period saw the top marginal tax rate fall more than any time in history, 20 percentage points, while President Johnson was in office.
So, I mean, you're REALLY going to have to define your terms about which laws you're really opposed to, and when they were enacted, and who wrote them and who voted for them.
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Ultimate Tiger [34947]
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That's not exactly what I was referring to.
Apr 16, 2014, 2:14 PM
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It is a bit disingenuous to only refer to the top rate when we speak of the Great Society legislation.
You of all people.
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Re: That's not exactly what I was referring to.
Apr 16, 2014, 7:16 PM
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I completely agree, but my point is that it's an extremely complicated issue that can't be boiled down to one party being more responsible.
Another example is the tax act passed during the Reagan administration. Was that a Democratic bill or a Republican one? Of course the answer is that both parties were very involved in it.
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Re: That's not exactly what I was referring to.
Apr 16, 2014, 7:21 PM
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was this the tax policy that proposed that spending more than we collect would create a looming debt over our collective heads of the middle class that would increase productivity and profits at the top?
it is working well so far.
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It's the nature of a progressive tax system.
Apr 16, 2014, 8:32 AM
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The alternative is to raise taxes on the poor and cut taxes for the rich, which admittedly a lot of Republicans would like to do.
Also, this only refers to federal income taxes. The top 10% have other sources of income that don't come from a payroll.
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You know what else isn't fair...
Apr 16, 2014, 8:36 AM
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Seriously? Even the Communists couldn't make an even
Apr 16, 2014, 8:55 AM
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distribution.
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To say it's merely uneven is a gross understatement.***
Apr 16, 2014, 9:03 AM
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What is it that keeps that 40% where they are?
Apr 16, 2014, 6:53 PM
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Are you in that group? If not, how did you get out or, avoid that group all together?
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Top 10% own ~75% of the wealth...and we will never
Apr 17, 2014, 11:49 AM
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possibly relate to that level of wealth. Makes you hate life a little doesn't it?
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Gridiron Giant [15880]
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To be in the top 10% you need to make about $120k.
Apr 17, 2014, 11:51 AM
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You can't relate to someone who makes $120k?
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I still think those numbers are low, but yes, I can relate
Apr 17, 2014, 11:55 AM
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to someone making $120k. I cannot relate to someone making $250k+ plus benefits/stock options/bonuses/etc
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Gridiron Giant [15880]
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The website describes it as "top 10% of income earners" and
Apr 17, 2014, 1:24 PM
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the $ value is listed as Adjusted Gross Income.
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Re: The website describes it as "top 10% of income earners" and
Apr 17, 2014, 2:19 PM
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Gotcha. Looks like I'm in the top 5%. Oh no! Time for a flat tax.
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He to whom much is given, much is required.***
Apr 16, 2014, 10:27 AM
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And the central argument that seems to prevail is
Apr 16, 2014, 10:34 AM
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a lot of people think that a single percentage would cover that, and another lot of people think that the upper incomes should pay a higher percentage.
I maintain that you will never get a simple Flat Rate in the United States, there are too many vested in the current system and gaming it to ever allow that to happen.
If you get a W-2, you're effed.
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Most, if not all, in the .1% do not get a w-2***
Apr 16, 2014, 2:00 PM
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Ultimate Tiger [34947]
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Yes, that's what I meant. Not many in the underground
Apr 16, 2014, 2:23 PM
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economies do, either. The law-abiding citizens are the ones who get W-2's, and if you have two professional incomes, the AMT is coming for you, regardless of your deductions, dreams, or good intentions.
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Re: This is not fair.
Apr 16, 2014, 1:53 PM
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I actually want to have enough money that it would take me 50 life times to spend, not because I need it, just as a way to keep score.
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I'm so confused, you cannot even possibly relate to the
Apr 17, 2014, 11:41 AM
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top 1%. They're mostly all corrupt, greedy, and evil people who have fought their way to the top to make $80mil a year and live a life of opulence.
So why do you want them to pay less taxes? They need to pay more as it is as tax laws allow them to find every loophole they can to not pay as much as they're already supposed to.
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Those numbers seem low to me.***
Apr 17, 2014, 11:50 AM
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It's very
Apr 17, 2014, 6:19 PM
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colorful.
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