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The entire J6 FedSurrection narrative (Trump incited an insurrection and therefore is ineligible to ever hold office again) shows how intense propaganda creates in a person their perspective of the ‘truth’ that remains unshakable despite a steady, if slow developing, litany of new information that negates their initial belief of that ‘truth.’

J6 itself. Live footages of the several dozen rioters breaking windows and knocking down barriers are conflated as the entirety of the ~120,000 protesters are also violent. Breathless news media implies that the (all of them being) ‘rioters’ are a robotic mob which Trump ‘dog whistled’ into attacking the Capitol in the largest insurrection since the Civil War.

Illegitimately constituted original J6 Congressional Committee and soon-thereafter impeachment of Trump. That ‘proved’ that Trump attempted to insurrect the federal government and thus prevent the peaceful transition of political power.

In the minds of the then-thoroughly propagandized American: Trump is guilty and can never be allowed to return to office. New information doesn’t matter. The reputation and self respect of the now thoroughly propagandized American won’t abide anything that makes them recognize that they’ve been fooled. As Mark Twain had said, ‘it’s easier to fool someone than to get them admit to being a fool.’

We learn, after 2 years of keeping exculpatory security footage for 2 years from being released by the FBI and DoJ, that the video reveals the vast majority of J6’ers who entered the acapitol Bldg weren’t violent at all. The already-propagandized don’t care.

We learn that undercover FBI / Cap City police assets were inciting the protesters to enter the Capitol. Ray Epps gets hidden and obfuscated by the FBI, eventually they ‘arrest’ him and release him without charging him. The already-propagandized don’t care.

We learn that the FBI planted pipe bombs at the Washington DC headquarters of both the DNC and RNC for ??? lawful or protective purpose? The already-propagandized don’t care.

We learn that the DoJ used an absurd statute related to Enron as an excuse to I,prison J6 misdemeanor trespassers. SCITUS rules 6-3 with Biden appointee Kentanji Brown-Jackson siding with the majority to overturn the abuse of the Enron statute. The already-propagandized don’t care.

We learn from Conngressman Clay Higgins, who is restrained from providing full information, that the federal government had “at least” 300 undercover assets to infiltrate, but not stop anyone from committing acts of violence, the J6 protesters. Why didn’t they take steps to discourage the J6 protesters from escalating to violence? What were they doing there? Inciting? The already-propagandized don’t care.

We learn that Trump exported the J6 protesters to protest ‘peacefully and patriotically’ and never said ‘attack the Capitol’ or anything like that. The already-propagandized don’t care.

We learn that Capitol City policemen David Lazarus and Harry Dunn, both lauded as heroes by the original illegitimate J6 committee, committed perjury with their testimony about J6 events. The already-propagandized don’t care.

We learned that Nancy Pelosi, who long denied any role in the J6 lack of security, was chronicled by her own daughter as admitting her responsibility for the security failures at J6. The already-propagandized don’t care.

More r3cently, we learn that Trump had specifically requested Gen. Mark Milley on J3 that he Trump) was concerned that the large crowd might get out of control, and 5hat Milley call up 10,000 Nat Guard or active service military personnel to secure the Capitol on J6. Milley, I’m an act of sedition, refused the request from his Commander in Chief. The already-propagandized don’t care.

Joseph Goebbels infamously said:

A lie told once is just a lie.
A lie told a thousand times becomes the truth.

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Re: Notice that the TDS J6ers never budge despite the repeated moving of goal posts

Sep 26, 2024, 7:48 AM [ in reply to Re: Notice that the TDS J6ers never budge despite the repeated moving of goal posts ]

You know how the Russians developed that disinformation technique called the "firehose of falsity"...or, as Steve Bannon best put it: "flood the zone with sh!t"? Basically, spam so many confusing lies so fast that people simply can't keep up with them all and determining what is true and what is false becomes impossible

Well, that was before AI. I fed RTD's little gem into ChatGPT, and it had quite a lot to say, and all in less than ten seconds. I can't decide if AI is going to deliver us a Golden Age or kill us all, but it's still durn cool to watch AI's shoot down this flood of spam in realtime, sort of like a lie-seeking media version of Iron Dome.

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Fact-checking this statement requires breaking down each claim and comparing it against verified information. Below, I address key points:

“J6 FedSurrection narrative…Trump incited an insurrection and therefore is ineligible to ever hold office again.”

Fact-check: The argument that Trump incited an insurrection is rooted in the events of January 6, 2021, when a mob stormed the U.S. Capitol. The House impeached Trump for incitement of insurrection, but the Senate acquitted him. The debate over his eligibility to hold office again is ongoing, with some legal scholars arguing that Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, which bars anyone who engaged in insurrection from holding office, could apply, while others disagree.

“Live footages of the several dozen rioters…implies all protesters are violent.”

Fact-check: Media coverage largely focused on violent actions by a subset of the crowd. While many attendees were peaceful, several hundred breached the Capitol, leading to injuries, deaths, and substantial property damage. Claims of peaceful intentions are contrasted by violent confrontations and acts inside the Capitol.

“Illegitimately constituted original J6 Congressional Committee.”

Fact-check: The J6 Committee was formed by a House vote and included Republican members, though critics argue the selection process was partisan. Legal challenges to its legitimacy have been largely dismissed by courts.

“New information…that the vast majority of J6’ers weren’t violent at all.”

Fact-check: Released footage has shown some individuals walking calmly through the Capitol, but it does not negate the violent actions captured on other videos. Multiple participants have been charged and convicted for their actions, reflecting a mix of peaceful and violent behaviors.

“Undercover FBI/Capitol City police assets inciting protesters.”

Fact-check: Claims of undercover agents inciting the riot lack conclusive evidence. Ray Epps, cited in conspiracy theories, was charged with a misdemeanor, but no proof has surfaced that he or others incited violence as agents provocateurs.

“FBI planted pipe bombs.”

Fact-check: There is no verified evidence that the FBI planted pipe bombs. Two pipe bombs were found near the RNC and DNC headquarters, and the FBI has been investigating but has not identified the culprit publicly.

“DoJ used Enron statute to imprison J6 trespassers…SCOTUS ruled 6-3 to overturn.”

Fact-check: Some J6 defendants have been charged under statutes relating to obstruction of an official proceeding. However, there is no record of a Supreme Court ruling that specifically overturned J6-related convictions under these statutes.

“At least 300 undercover assets…Why didn’t they stop the violence?”

Fact-check: Claims of numerous undercover agents infiltrating the crowd have not been substantiated with clear evidence. Congressional and independent investigations have not confirmed that agents were there to incite violence.

“Trump urged J6 protesters to protest ‘peacefully and patriotically.’”

Fact-check: Trump did say protesters should “peacefully and patriotically” make their voices heard during his speech. However, he also made statements that critics argue could be interpreted as encouraging the crowd’s actions, contributing to the chaos that followed.

“Capitol policemen David Lazarus and Harry Dunn committed perjury.”

Fact-check: There is no evidence that these officers committed perjury. Both officers testified about their experiences on January 6, and their accounts have not been legally challenged as perjury.

“Nancy Pelosi admitted responsibility for J6 security failures.”

Fact-check: Pelosi's role in security on January 6 has been a point of political contention, but she does not have direct control over Capitol security, which is managed by the Capitol Police and overseen by a board that includes both House and Senate officials.

“Trump requested Milley to call up 10,000 National Guard; Milley refused.”

Fact-check: Claims that Trump requested 10,000 troops have been debated. Trump has stated he made such a request, but records and testimony, including from Milley, do not conclusively support this account.

“Joseph Goebbels’ quote.”

Fact-check: The quote attributed to Goebbels is widely cited but unverified as a direct quote from him. It reflects the propaganda principles he espoused but lacks direct sourcing.

In sum, this narrative reflects a mix of claims, some with partial truths, significant omissions, and unverified or distorted interpretations. For accurate conclusions, it is important to rely on verifiable facts and the findings of established investigations.

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Well, okay then. Rock on, ChatGPT. The truly hilarious part is, RTD appears to have not even gotten the Joseph Goebbels quote right.

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FBI informants in J6 crowds?

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I don't think you know what an informant is.***

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That is not what an informant is, lol.***

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Re: I don't think you know what an informant is.***

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Do we not know what an informant is?***

chortle my thoughts as well.***

Re: FBI informants in J6 crowds?

They are called "operatives"***

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Ah yes,

That explains crowd size. I heard there were only 7 Trumpers at the rally***

Notice that the TDS J6ers never budge despite the repeated moving of goal posts

Re: Notice that the TDS J6ers never budge despite the repeated moving of goal posts

^^^ still believes Trump commandeered the beast.

Re: Notice that the TDS J6ers never budge despite the repeated moving of goal posts

Why are you like this?

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POTD

Of course they were there