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Dynasty Maker [3522]
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Northern students enrolling in southern schools
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Oct 1, 2024, 4:24 PM
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From the Morning Brew…
More Northern kids are watching Alabama–Georgia football games and thinking, “I want that.”
The number of Northerners heading to college at Southern public schools has skyrocketed 84% over the past two decades and jumped 30% from 2018 to 2022, according to a Wall Street Journal analysis.
Better weather, cheaper tuition, a less politicized environment, and the sense of community during college football Saturdays are the big reasons why college kids are pouring across the Mason-Dixon Line, admissions officials told the WSJ.
Ole Miss had 11 freshmen from the Northeast in its 2002 class but more than 200 in 2022, Tennessee’s freshman population from the Northeast ballooned from ~50 in 2002 to nearly 600 in 2022, and Alabama reported that 11% of students were from the Northeast in 2022. It was less than 1% two decades earlier.
South Carolina is also a draw for Northern students. The University of South Carolina and Clemson each enrolled hundreds of freshmen from the Northeast in 2022. At South Carolina, that was a 659% increase in 20 years; at Clemson, the jump was 456% over the same period.
The surge of enrollment in the South is also having an impact on the local economies. Researchers at the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill and others learned that about two-thirds of college graduates end up working in the state where they attended college. And according to a study from payroll company ADP, the five most promising locations for finding work after college are all in the South.
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Yup and they bring their liberal voting habits with them...
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Oct 1, 2024, 4:38 PM
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They're not happy destroying the states where they were born and raised. Now they want to come down here and drag the rest of the country down with them.
Yankee go home! The south has reached its capacity!
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All-In [10313]
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Re: Yup and they bring their liberal voting habits with them...
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They come south where they can safely walk streets and not get mugged or stabbed. They then have relatives move down and pay above asking price for housing since so much cheaper than NE, and drives locals out of the housing market. Instead of fixing their in-state problems, they bring their views south trying to destroy what they hate about their home state. Just fix it already and stay home.
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Trainer [-72]
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Oct 1, 2024, 4:46 PM
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#### yankees. They come down here and vote Democrat. I hate em.
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Ring of Honor [22971]
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Re: Yup and they bring their liberal voting habits with them...
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Oct 1, 2024, 5:14 PM
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South Carolina has a higher violent crime rate than every Northeastern state. College towns like Clemson are safer than the rest of the state, and probably safer than big cities in the Northeast, but there are plenty of college towns up there that are equally safe.
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Re: Yup and they bring their liberal voting habits with them...
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Have you ever lived in Clemson, or near a major city in the NE? Clemson is safer than every big city in the northeast. By a country-mile.
Cities in the northeast are generally hollowed out filing cabinets that most people flee from when work let's out at 5:00pm.
The Northeast is a $hit-hole. That's why all their residents keep relocating down south. If their crime rates weren't a problem, all the white people would still be living in the cities along-side /and as opposed to all the minorities who are stuck living there on state welfare.
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Gridiron Giant [15631]
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Clemson Sports Icon [54147]
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Asst Coach [860]
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Re: Thats because of liberal #### holes like Richland county***
Oct 2, 2024, 11:31 PM
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You need to check which counties have the highest crime rates. Hint: it aint richland.
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Playmaker [397]
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Oct 2, 2024, 8:26 AM
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I dont know quite what to make of those crime statistics. Any ideas on why our crime rates is higher? I love NYC, but there are tons of scary areas in that town. Always glad to get home to SC when I go up there. True of Columbia as well but from what I see it has the same criminal elements in NYC that we have here.
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Re: Yup and they bring their liberal voting habits with them...
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NYC has been canning crime statistics for years...sweeping violent crimes under a rug and letting serious felons go with a slap on the wrist...same people committing them...time pays in NYC and always has...Chicago let's them go and they still beat everyone else kept east St. LOUIS. what a pile!
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National Champion [7883]
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Oct 2, 2024, 7:56 AM
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Don’t mean to let facts get in the way of a good rant, but violent crime rates, particularly gun deaths, are much higher in the south than in the northeast. Maybe take a little time and read about it. My wife and her family are from Massachusetts and they’re very good people
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Playmaker [387]
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Game Changer [1950]
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Re: Yup and they bring their liberal voting habits with them...
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Oct 1, 2024, 5:39 PM
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you know some people come down here and just like it... that ever cross your mind?
You do realize that Clemson is a fairly liberal college overall...
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Orange Phenom [14588]
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Re: Yup and they bring their liberal voting habits with them...
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Oct 1, 2024, 9:00 PM
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As are most these days.
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Legend [6664]
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Re: Its Really To Each Its Own ---
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Oct 1, 2024, 5:46 PM
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Some Southern raised people are tired of the slow life where everything closes at 6pm. Some want more excitement in life ....not just for a football game. Some want to try to afford the big city life....the luxurious sky rise condos and penthouses. Some want the extra opportunities for employment. Some want to experience and the chances to challenge themselves to go through the grinds of life..... and have the underdog from a small Southern town mindset.
This thread is kind of crazy to even discuss.... because people have different peaceful purposes in life....and it just may not sit well with others....but if it is supposed to be a free country and ethics and people are not being harmed in Putin-ish type of ways...then others are just going to have to be butt-hurt about it...... even if people do their positive progressive things to live comfortably and peacefully North .. West... South...or East.
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Ring of Honor [21094]
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Re: Its Really To Each Its Own ---
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Oct 2, 2024, 2:03 PM
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So basically “ you should let us change your way of life and if you don’t you’re stopping progress Putin”
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1st Rounder [637]
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They're not happy destroying the states where they were born and raised. Now they want to come down here and drag the rest of the country down with them.
Yankee go home! The south has reached its capacity!
AMEN!!!! They are ruining life for those that have always lived here. They are driving local land taxes so high native southerners are having trouble living in their own homes that are paid for.
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Re: Northern students enrolling in southern schools
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Oct 1, 2024, 4:54 PM
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Well to be honest a lot of the northern school campuses just suck and very cramped. NC State reminds me of this. Just brick and everything crammed together with small walkway tunnels to get around.
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Solid Orange [1346]
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Re: Northern students enrolling in southern schools
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Oct 1, 2024, 4:56 PM
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Is it that bad that a university is open to ANYONE worldwide that can qualify to get in?
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Dynasty Maker [3558]
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Re: Northern students enrolling in southern schools
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Oct 1, 2024, 5:26 PM
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I have this "discussion" all the time because the answer varies based on the individual and where you are.
What is considered "Northern"?
Richmond and above?
Virginia and above?
Maryland and above?
And please no one say the Mason-Dixon line, that's the most laughable answer there is.
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Game Day Hero [4460]
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Re: Northern students enrolling in southern schools
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Oct 1, 2024, 5:33 PM
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Anything north of Gaffney or south of St Augustine.
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All-Pro [763]
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Re: Northern students enrolling in southern schools
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Oct 1, 2024, 5:45 PM
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Who can blame them?
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Dynasty Maker [3558]
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Solid Orange [1346]
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Re: Northern students enrolling in southern schools
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Oct 2, 2024, 11:08 AM
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You’re an idiot. That’s just discrimination. We are all the same human race. Literally the only difference is geography which isn’t saying much lol.
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National Champion [8067]
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what are you, 2 years old?***
Oct 3, 2024, 7:46 AM
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Orange Beast [6575]
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Oct 1, 2024, 5:59 PM
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I remember reading an article several years ago about Alabama targeting a very affluent region in Illinois to offer academic scholarships to in hopes of getting them enrolled. The odds were pretty good over half would lose their scholarships but want to stay enrolled so Bama would get 2-3 years of out of state tuition from them. It became public knowledge when Bama out of state enrollment passed in state and the citizens were pissed their flagship university was majority out of state students. They dialed back their out of state enrollment.
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Orange Beast [6575]
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National Champion [7830]
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Oct 1, 2024, 6:30 PM
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My Daddy use to say "Its easier to fleece a Yankee then pick a bale of cotton." Bama administration was only following local practice in enticing students to attend college via scholarships.
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Offensive Star [346]
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Re: Northern students enrolling in southern schools
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A Clemson man and a Clemson women all count no matter what state they came from. It’s extremely narrow minded to discount out of state students as not real somehow.
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Clemson Icon [27374]
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Probably just wanting a different experience
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Oct 1, 2024, 7:19 PM
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And the northeast schools are nice in their own way but much different. And if you are from there I can see how you’d want something different from your high school experience.
Clemson was ahead of the curve on this actually. We have had many NJ students for decades. It’s the other southern schools like Ole Miss, Alabama, Tennessee etc that aren’t used to it
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Dynasty Maker [3222]
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Re: Probably just wanting a different experience
Oct 1, 2024, 8:49 PM
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Our colleges and Myrtle Beach are supported by Ohioans.
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Game Changer [2064]
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I graduated in 2014, the amount of New Jersey students I met during my time there was astounding I'm sure it's even more so now.
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Rival Killer [2872]
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Re: Northern students enrolling in southern schools
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Oct 1, 2024, 8:51 PM
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I went to school from 95-99 and Jersey was the fifth most represented state in my freshman class behind SC, NC, GA, and VA.
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Standout [204]
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Re: Northern students enrolling in southern schools
Oct 1, 2024, 9:42 PM
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Attended Clemson from 1971 to 1975 and NJ ranked 3rd behind SC and NC. I brought and kept my conservative views through graduation.
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Re: Northern students enrolling in southern schools
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Oct 1, 2024, 9:00 PM
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to say Southern schools are less politicized is laughable. I did not even know what a conservative or a liberal was until I went to Clemson, The south is far far far far more polarised, it is not even close.
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Dynasty Maker [3222]
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Re: Northern students enrolling in southern schools
Oct 1, 2024, 9:22 PM
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I think wearing football uniform pants that end above the knee, looking like short pants, is going to be the downfall of football, i.e. America. Northern liberals must have started this trend and are bringing it south.
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All-Pro [722]
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Re: Northern students enrolling in southern schools
Oct 4, 2024, 10:35 AM
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Lol
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Orange Blooded [2565]
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Mr. Tbalm this statement is underrated
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I have the unique perspective of living coast to coast and having intimate involvement with academia for many years. And to preface, I am from SC born and raised with generations of sharecroppers and more than can be conveyed here.
Regardless, I lived in Silicon Valley many years dealing with Stanford in my family (and still do) and now have lived in NE for a decade intimately involved with Harvard, Dartmouth, and yes still Stanford too. I’ll say this—these schools are talking about how to cure Cancer, how to make space travel safe, how to make food more healthy, and such. I don't even have a clue who any of these people vote for, because nobody talks about it. Whereas, a lot of Southern schools are the ones obsessing politics and injecting them into discussions about totally unrelated things.
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I would venture Clemson continues to be more active in pursuing
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the practical aspects of food supply and food quality than Stanford and Ivies.
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Clemson Conqueror [11645]
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Oh, they are doing great things at all these uppity colleges while we argue a twiddle our thumbs ………. got it!
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CU Guru [1587]
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Re: Northern students enrolling in southern schools
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Oct 1, 2024, 9:55 PM
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Are those northerners Americans?
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110%er [4075]
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Not your post…but some pretty ignorant responses in this thread. I have friends all over the US and the World and enjoy their unique views and perspectives…even when I don’t agree. I would welcome any of them to the South and to Clemson. They aren’t ruining anything, just finding a better place to live and work than where they came from. How can you blame anyone for doing that? If you want to blame anyone…blame the kids for selling the family land…the developers building McMansions everywhere you look…and the PE firms buying up entire neighborhoods.
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CU Guru [1587]
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100% agree w TigerBTM.
Not the OP …but some pretty ignorant responses in this thread.
But that’s ok, those folks haven’t enjoyed the benefits working with, living with and loving other cultures, other ethnicities, other Americans and folks from outside the south.
Their loss, not others, thank god.
I’m fortunate to have wonderful friends family and loved ones from Pickens County SC and also from six other continents. 🙂
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Orange Blooded [2513]
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Re: Northern students enrolling in southern schools
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Hate to burst your bubble but Clemson has already been taking in students from "up North for decades. In 1969 college costs were cheaper for out of state students at Clemson than in state for those in New Jersey.
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Playmaker [397]
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Re: Northern students enrolling in southern schools
Oct 2, 2024, 8:34 AM
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I think its pretty simple. The rising costs of tuition at these northern schools has priced it to the point that you can go out of state equal to or cheaper than in state. Since I left Connecticut in 2010 they have lost two seats in Congress, the cold weather sucks. I must say the fish out of the colder water do taste better.
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Playmaker [351]
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Oct 2, 2024, 11:33 AM
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I grew up in the northeast and wanted to come south for school. I fell in love with Clemson and never left. I graduated 8 years ago and never left the upstate. I grew up without religion and found Christ in college, met my wife here in the upstate after graduation, had a couple rugrats and we will raise them here in the place that we love so much. We have no intentions of leaving... this is our home and where I we are supposed to be.
I always resented the people who came to Clemson or moved south solely for college with no intention of staying. You'd always run into people from New York or New Jersey who talked about how great those places were... awesome... stay there. In my opinion, if you move here, love it for what it is without trying to change it into the place that you just left.
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Ring of Honor [21094]
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They’ve made sure to bring their idiotic values with them, I’ll never understand moving somewhere only to try and change it
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110%er [4075]
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What kinds of ‘idiotic values’ are others bringing that are causing so much negative change for the region and consternation for you?
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Re: Northern students enrolling in southern schools
Oct 2, 2024, 3:42 PM
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I graduated over 50 years ago and was from NJ and there were a lot of students from NJ
So it has been happening for a long time
WSJ had a similar article about a month ago.
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I grew up in Manning, SC, went to Clemson, moved to NJ / NYC after graduating so feel I can objectively weigh in here...
The northeast education systems are phenomenal. Students coming out of these states are better prepared for college than the majority (not all!) of in-state SC students. Their GPAs, test scores and overall "resume" is tough to compete with. Clemson used to get the top SC students + the let's call it "mediocre" ones. The game changed when Clemson was striving to become a top 20 public university. To reach that mark, they had to start bringing in the higher scores and it resulted in a lot of northeastern kids. Combine that with the football success and yes, there has been an influx in the last decade.
I would caution those that view this as a bad thing. 1) it's fair competition and if you don't like it, do something about it 2) Clemson chose to do this in an effort to be the best. Don't label the kids coming from the northeast as the problem. We have three kids on my street currently at Clemson. All wonderful kids that are going to do great things and shine a bright light on Clemson.
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Re: Northern students enrolling in southern schools
Oct 2, 2024, 11:11 PM
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either ma and pa are humping like rabbits more and more these days and now their young’uns and now their kids needs housing or there are way too many Yankees and foreigners moving to this state. It’s either one or the other. They aren’t butchering our land for empty houses to sit on.
We have a 70 acre farm next to a school in what has always been a rural area. Several years ago not a week went by a developer did not call essentially begging to sale “the farm”. Couldn’t talk the black angus into moving so they can go put their stick built crappy 1/4 acre homes somewhere else
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Is this new at Clemson?
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Back when I was a freshman in ‘90, I think New Jersey was 3rd in out of state enrollment after Georgia & NC. We had tons of students from MD, PA & CT as well. Most of them came down south because at the time Clemson was cheaper than the in-state alternative (Rutgers/PSU/UConn/Terps).
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Re: Is this new at Clemson?
Oct 3, 2024, 7:57 AM
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This issue about kids from the North “bringing their politics” is really overblown. South Carolina has been a red state for decades and our state government has been completely controlled by republicans for over two decades…this is showing no signs of changing….we are far off from Georgia/North Carolina, Sc is not becoming a purple state any time soon.
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All-TigerNet [5915]
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Re: Is this new at Clemson?
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I graduated from Clemson in 1996 but grew up in CT. In-state tuition for UCONN and out of state for Clemson were almost identical. My sister graduated from Rutgers, it was slightly more.
Still think Clemson was, and probably is a much better value. Southern born people are great, the culture is awesome, and it changed my whole life's trajectory. All the friends I made at Clemson, and since are Southern. Lived in SC every day since I graduated. I thank God almost every day Clemson accepted my application. I understand why yankees want to attend Clemson though. My advice: Leave the attitude at home and you'll make lots of friends. If you're remotely conservative you'll have no problem fitting in. If not, take your degree home with you after graduation.
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Playmaker [351]
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Re: Is this new at Clemson?
Oct 3, 2024, 9:08 AM
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Same boat for me. I was going to have a ton of student loans if I went to school in-state and so I looked elsewhere that would be similar in price. The change was great, moving 1000 miles from home helped me grow up fast. I ended up with roommates from Georgia, NC, and SC and just fell in love with the people, the area and have never left the upstate. Those roommates are some of my best friends to this day still. Completely changed my life's trajectory and I'm glad I was able to make that move.
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