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Re: NO
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Nov 11, 2024, 11:30 AM
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Cue the people who claimed Trump wouldn't overstep his authority but will fall over themselves to defend this.
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Campus Hero [13174]
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Why do you think he wants to do recess appointments?
Nov 11, 2024, 11:34 AM
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(This is a trick question)
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Tiger Titan [45999]
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How about you just tell me?***
Nov 11, 2024, 1:21 PM
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Campus Hero [13174]
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Pro-forma senate sessions
Nov 11, 2024, 1:39 PM
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where the senate is out of town but won't go into recess to prevent recess appointments is used to block the confirmation process.
I don't know why Trump is saying they must commit to recess appointments instead of saying 'go into recess when you aren't in session' but I think that is the gist of it.
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Recess appointments were once controversial, last-ditch efforts for presidents to install their nominees after facing long confirmation odds in the Senate. President George W. Bush appointed John Bolton as US ambassador to the United Nations via a recess appointment, for example, as it was unlikely he would have made it through the Senate.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, the Democrat leading the Senate under Bush, then decided to make it so that the chamber simply never recessed long enough for such an appointment to be made. When senators left town, the Senate held a “pro forma” session to prevent any recess appointments.
This was continued under then-Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and then-President Barack Obama — a clash that made it to the Supreme Court. And after the court ruled in favor of the Senate’s powers, the pro forma sessions continue today.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/10/politics/trump-senate-recess-appointments-gop-leader/index.html
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Tiger Titan [45999]
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It's an unnecessary demand.***
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Nov 11, 2024, 2:08 PM
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Re: NO
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Nov 11, 2024, 11:36 AM
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Any Senator who would support this has no business being a Senator.
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Re: NO
Nov 11, 2024, 10:29 PM
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Like 60 of them there now?
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Re: NO
Nov 12, 2024, 6:26 AM
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There a 60 Senators who are willing to surrender their confirmation powers to the Executive? I guess that's not surprising. Congress has been slowly surrendering its power over time anyway.
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Re: NO
Nov 11, 2024, 11:42 AM
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reconciliation only requires 51 votes
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Re: NO
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Nov 11, 2024, 11:45 AM
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Not sure what that has to do with the subject of the article
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Re: NO
Nov 11, 2024, 11:47 AM
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he doesnt need the regular process
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Tiger Titan [48519]
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reconciliation is not applicable to appointments since
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Nov 11, 2024, 1:23 PM
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the House isnt even involved.
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Re: NO
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Nov 11, 2024, 11:42 AM
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Kiss the ring boys. Father is most merciful and rewards those who serve him well.
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Re: NO
Nov 11, 2024, 11:43 AM
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alah favors the compassionate -Lawrence of Arabia movie
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Re: NO
Nov 11, 2024, 11:44 AM
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Also, what the ad-filled disaster is that website, there are literally unclosable ads covering text
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Re: NO
Nov 11, 2024, 11:46 AM
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Didn't look like that for me.
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Re: NO
Nov 11, 2024, 11:47 AM
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Maybe just on mobile
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Re: NO
Nov 11, 2024, 11:48 AM
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most likely
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YES
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Nov 11, 2024, 12:01 PM
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He won. Get over it. Last term, they delayed his confirmations and he barely got anybody in place. This time they need to GTFO and let the people's will be done.
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Game Changer [1865]
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How would you feel if Obama pressed for the same thing?***
Nov 11, 2024, 12:02 PM
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Obamas appointments weren't blocked.***
Nov 11, 2024, 12:05 PM
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Re: Obamas appointments weren't blocked.***
Nov 11, 2024, 12:12 PM
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You're right Merrick Garland is on the Supreme Court
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Walk-On [76]
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Right? GD he's stupid***
Nov 11, 2024, 12:17 PM
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When did they make a supreme court nominee a cabinet member***
Nov 11, 2024, 12:38 PM
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Message was edited by: Neal in NC®
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Walk-On [76]
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Was this a typo?***
Nov 11, 2024, 12:57 PM
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Oculus Spirit [41647]
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Merrick Garland was never nominated and blocked as a cabinet member***
Nov 11, 2024, 5:47 PM
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Walk-On [76]
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good job Neal, now what I said still pertains to the thread:
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Nov 11, 2024, 8:10 PM
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"Obamas appointments weren't blocked."
Yes. They were
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Walk-On [76]
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still here bruh ;)***
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Nov 11, 2024, 1:57 PM
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Tiger Titan [45999]
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Specificity is important
Nov 11, 2024, 2:12 PM
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Let me try again: This is where the idiot Tom runs away from the thread.
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Re: This topic is obviously not about the Supreme Court***
Nov 12, 2024, 6:31 AM
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The topic is about Senate confirmation.
Merrick Garland was blocked, because the Senate did not hold a vote.
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Re: YES
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Nov 11, 2024, 12:08 PM
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Sooo... you don't want the Senate to be able to question the nominees and hold a confirmation vote?
The King's word is what matters.
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Walk-On [76]
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don't complain to us, you voted for this circus***
Nov 11, 2024, 12:09 PM
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Tiger Titan [45999]
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You would have squealed if Biden attempted that.***
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Nov 11, 2024, 1:22 PM
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Walk-On [76]
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How surprising...***
Nov 11, 2024, 12:08 PM
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Re: NO
Nov 11, 2024, 12:25 PM
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MAGA hates those pesky checks and balances. 😆
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Gridiron Giant [15748]
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You know how to avoid recess appointments?
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Nov 11, 2024, 12:28 PM
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Don’t go on fkn recess. Go to work, like other adults.
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Re: You know how to avoid recess appointments?
Nov 11, 2024, 12:36 PM
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I got no problem with them staying in session until a vote has taken place for every single nominee.
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Campus Hero [13174]
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What they did before
Nov 11, 2024, 1:14 PM
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was left town but didn't recess, specifically to keep the nominees from moving.
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All of the MAGA deplorables will happily support this.***
Nov 11, 2024, 12:34 PM
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Gridiron Giant [15748]
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How many of Trumps cabinet picks
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Nov 11, 2024, 12:37 PM
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Will have some old warhorse femnazi claiming that they were running trains on girls at parties?
I’m guessing 100% of them.
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Re: How many of Trumps cabinet picks
Nov 11, 2024, 12:49 PM
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Imagine if a Democrat openly wanted to do this. I imagine it would be a problem.
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From Vox of all places... Recess appointments became a game when GW Bush
Nov 11, 2024, 3:43 PM
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was unable to get a bunch of his appointments through the Senate and started using the Recess Appointments Clause (Article II, Section 2, Clause 3) of the Constitution. The Democrats didn't like it so they "one upped" Bush by just not formally recessing the Senate.
In a game of turn about is fair play - Republicans played the same Senate is not in recess game on President Obama in order to prevent him from making some recess appointments that Republicans did not like. Eventually Obama got tired of playing this game and made some appointments during one of these Senate 'non-recess/pro-forma' periods. It wall went to court with the Supreme Court - in a 9-0 ruling - declaring the appointments were indeed unconstitutional.
https://www.vox.com/2014/6/26/5843366/recess-appointments-supreme-court
During Trump's first administration - the Senate played their typical DC reindeer games and greatly delayed a shidton of Trump's appointments. The backlog of his appointments got to the point of ridiculous - some taking 3 years to be voted on. In order to avoid this whole thing a second time - Trump wants the option to use his Constitutional Recess Appointments authorities. However, in order to use those Constitutional authorities - the SCOTUS has already ruled the Senate must, in fact, be in recess. That is why Trump is demanding any Republican Senate Majority leader clarify their stance on this very issue of 'recess' right now.
This is all part of the game - Presidents from both sides have used recess appointments to get people that might not otherwise be appointed, expedited, or immediately in position. IMO - both sides of the argument are playing reindeer games: the President using recess appointments to bypass the Senate approval process for controversial appointments; the Senate opposition intentionally slowing down the appointments process to a trickle in order to hamstring a Presidential administration; AND the Senate refusing to go into recess in order to deny a President the ability to make recess appointments.
Neither side is righteous in their motives but as long as we follow the Constitution so be it.
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Game Changer [1865]
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I think what's frustrating about all that to the average American voter...
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Nov 11, 2024, 3:58 PM
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...is that neither side, by employing these tactics, is trying to acknowledge the spirit of the law. They're just all interested in finding the random loophole that allows them to force their decisions through without any kind of oversight -- OR to provide a ridiculous level of oversight that encourages more people to search for similar workarounds.
People aren't interested in doing what's best for the country. They're just interested in making sure their side wins. And they conflate the two efforts.
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No argument from me on that... It's typical DC Swamp BS behavior from all sides
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Nov 11, 2024, 4:44 PM
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of the issue. It's all about increasing or decreasing someone or a Party's power.
Term limits while reducing the size and scope of the Federal Government... Take away the ability of people to make a lifelong career of politics to where their own time in Government is limited and some of this ridiculous political gamesmanship may wane in favor of actually getting things done.
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Campus Hero [13979]
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Looking at the recess appointment numbers of past Presidents
Nov 11, 2024, 8:02 PM
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Reagan, GW Bush and Clinton all used the recess appointments power wholesale. Again - they used a tool afforded to them in the Constitution so ultimately I just give it a shoulder shrug as there is precedent for it's use...
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Agree with the OP....
Nov 11, 2024, 5:43 PM
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This is an awful request from Trump, and the Senate should reject this with a flick of the hand.
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Re: NO
Nov 11, 2024, 10:36 PM
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If it wasn't a part of the process it wouldn't be an option. The Cabinet and positons requiring Senate approval still have to be confirmed within 2 years after a recess appointment. My take is that Trump does not want to get involved with the Senate Leader selection (and shouldn't) so he is saying, don't select a RINO as the Senate Leader!
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Re: NO
Nov 12, 2024, 6:36 AM
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"Any Republican Senator seeking the coveted LEADERSHIP position in the United States Senate must agree to Recess Appointments (in the Senate!), without which we will not be able to get people confirmed in a timely manner,” Trump posted, adding that positions should be filled “IMMEDIATELY!”
Looks like he wants to be very involved. Sounds a little bit like a bribe.
The mental gymnastics of political hypocrisy are fun to watch though.
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Re: NO
Nov 12, 2024, 6:54 AM
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