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Clemson Sports Icon [56241]
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NIL $ Ranked by Team
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Just so y’all know how much NIL $ Clemson players are getting compared to other teams.
Check out the attached.
I am not a fan of NIL in its present condition… it needs to be regulated or recruiting will turn into simply a bidding war. Even the NFL has salary caps and free agency rules. College football has no rules anymore… that’s why I no longer keep up with Clemson’s recruiting (or anyone else’s for that matter).
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Clemson Sports Icon [57743]
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Re: NIL $ Ranked by Team
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Nov 22, 2024, 6:46 AM
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Thanks for the info.
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CU Guru [1588]
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Re: NIL $ Ranked by Team
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Nov 22, 2024, 7:00 AM
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Current format of College Football is not sustainable.
No doubt, big changes coming up.
Gotta to NFL model with governance body at the top, rules and parameters. Parity will lead to better product on the field and more TV revenue which, unfortunately, is the glue that holds the business model together.
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Re: NIL $ Ranked by Team
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Nov 22, 2024, 7:31 AM
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Hopefully something will be done sooner rather than later. My guess is nothing will be done until the whole landscape of college football changes to a different format. Only then will actual enforceable rules be put in place.
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Rival Killer [3009]
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Re: NIL $ Ranked by Team
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Nov 22, 2024, 7:30 AM
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This should make the "we dont have enough money to use the portal" people go away.
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Clemson Sports Icon [56241]
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Re: NIL $ Ranked by Team
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Nov 22, 2024, 7:36 AM
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But we still can’t afford a $10 million dollar quarterback. Salary caps have to be put in place to keep it fair. Most teams still won’t be able to compete, but it won’t give the Texas teams free reign to buy anyone they want.
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Dynasty Maker [3136]
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NIL isn't salary.
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Nov 22, 2024, 7:41 AM
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It can't be capped.
College athletic salaries are currently capped at zero dollars.
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Clemson Sports Icon [56241]
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Re: NIL isn't salary.
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Nov 22, 2024, 7:43 AM
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Once the schools start paying the players, salary caps can be used… but not until then.
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Dynasty Maker [3136]
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And NIL still won't be salary and still can't be capped******
Nov 22, 2024, 7:57 AM
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Athletic Dir [1161]
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Hello again from The NFL
Nov 22, 2024, 8:16 AM
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Not sure if you read my example of Home Depot paying Kirk Cousins? They certainly can, and maybe they do, but it has no influence on Kirk or any other player “transferring” to the Falcons because there are other totally legal ways of keeping players within their contract.
So, NIL CAN be regulated by implementing NFL rules. Not directly regulated, but it would no longer be a recruiting tool because recruiting wouldn’t exist.
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Starter [273]
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Re: Hello again from The NFL
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Nov 22, 2024, 8:45 AM
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It absolutely does, though. If Kirk Cousins knew he would $30M+ from the Falcons AND say an extra $10M from Home Depot where other places didn't have that offer, it does make a difference.
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Dynasty Maker [3136]
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Apples, meet oranges.
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Nov 22, 2024, 8:59 AM
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NFL has an antitrust exemption.
NCAA does not.
NFL athletes are employees.
NCAA athletes are not.
NFL is unionized with a contract.
NCAA is not and does not.
NFL has 32 teams.
Non military FBS has 131.
NFL has a draft.
NCAA does not.
The only similarity is that neither the NFL nor the NCAA can regulate private NIL.
Patrick Mahomes and Josh Dobbs send their regards.
You're touting a false equivalence.
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Paw Warrior [4884]
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Re: Apples, meet oranges.
Nov 22, 2024, 9:25 AM
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So what you're saying is NCAA needs an anti-trust exemption.
Congress can and probably should pass a law that says something like
"Governing bodies for amateur athletics may set conditions for participation eligibility and to define amateur status for the governed sports. Voluntary participants in amateur athletics shall not be considered employees, and anti-trust and labor laws shall not apply."
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Dynasty Maker [3136]
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That still wouldn't affect NIL, since that's outside the NCAA's purview******
Nov 22, 2024, 9:44 AM
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Paw Warrior [4884]
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Re: That still wouldn't affect NIL, since that's outside the NCAA's purview******
Nov 22, 2024, 1:58 PM
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"Governing bodies for amateur athletics may set conditions for participation eligibility and to define amateur status for the governed sports."
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Paw Warrior [4884]
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Re: Apples, meet oranges.
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Nov 22, 2024, 9:26 AM
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NFL athletes are employees.
NCAA athletes are not.
This is the error in SCOTUS logic. They applied employment law to non-employees.
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Orange Blooded [2582]
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Seems that SCOTUS considers playing NCAA sports a right, which it isn't
Nov 22, 2024, 12:50 PM
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the NCAA should be able to impose rules that must be followed in order to participate in NCAA sports.
But, the NCAA was correct in knowing for all those years that if you can pay an athlete at all for anything, then it results in them being paid to play. The only distinction is the accounting.
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All-TigerNet [6085]
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Current lawsuits
Nov 22, 2024, 10:40 AM
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Players will win some of their current lawsuits and will become employees. Once that happens, college football will be in the NFL model.
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Orange Beast [6480]
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Re: Current lawsuits
Nov 22, 2024, 10:41 AM
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And the NFL has unlimited NIL.
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Dynasty Maker [3136]
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College players don't have a contract.
Nov 22, 2024, 9:32 AM
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So there's nothing to "keep them within".
College athletes aren't employees.
Again, apples meet oranges.
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Dynasty Maker [3136]
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Another way your NFL example doesn't apply.
Nov 22, 2024, 9:49 AM
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The NFL has a draft.
The ge NCAA does not.
Did you really want to see Deshaun, Trevor, Etienne, Spiller, or Christian Wilkins playing for Troy or Utah State?
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Ultimate Tiger [37848]
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Re: NIL isn't salary.
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Nov 22, 2024, 7:53 AM
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It can Bluff. Things can be changed. Ignorant with that it can’t be capped. What world do you live in.
Not even sure how your pulse stays at 76. Guess people keep upvoting the same post in different threads over and over.
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Dynasty Maker [3136]
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Even if the NCAA gets an antitrust exemption,
Nov 22, 2024, 7:59 AM
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It won't affect NIL.
As for pulse, how shallow are you to care about that? Pfft.
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Dynasty Maker [3136]
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I live in the world where every court decision about NIL
Nov 22, 2024, 8:02 AM
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Says that it not only cannot be capped, but that it's illegal for the NCAA to interfere with it or regulate it in any way.
Your position is incongruent with the law and the facts. Your fantasies are lying to you.
Now back to our regularly scheduled programming where the facts say that I'm right.
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Athletic Dir [1161]
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Nope, youre wrong.
Nov 22, 2024, 8:18 AM
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See my previous posts.
Message was edited by: DownunderTiger®
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Associate AD [1034]
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Re: Nope, youre wrong.
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Nov 22, 2024, 8:27 AM
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You definitely did not read Kavanaugh's opinion. There is NO right to cap NIL. Period. And there's no cap in NIL at the NFL level.
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Athletic Dir [1161]
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Re: Nope, youre wrong.
Nov 22, 2024, 8:44 AM
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There is no cap on NFL “NIL” type money because there’s no need to. Other rules make commercial payments a non issue.
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Dynasty Maker [3136]
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Bogus. There is no cap on NIL $$
Nov 22, 2024, 9:00 AM
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Because that would violate federal law.
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Dynasty Maker [3136]
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That is meaningless.
Nov 22, 2024, 9:43 AM
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There are "no other rules" that cap NIL.
The free market decides.
If you have evidence to the contrary, cite the rules.
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Dynasty Maker [3136]
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You have zero factual or legal basis to support that.
Nov 22, 2024, 8:53 AM
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Your opinion doesn't matter.
Look around. The facts say that I'm 199% right.
If I'm wrong, cite ths law or federal court case that says so.
Time to put up or shut up.
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National Champion [8042]
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Re: NIL isn't salary.
Nov 22, 2024, 9:22 AM
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It is a salary. It’s an endorsement deal. Congress and the Senate are already looking at legislation which would make the 9th circuit court of California’s rulings moot. Judges cannot legislate from the bench. They only interpret. Her interpretation is bad.
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Dynasty Maker [3136]
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It absolutely is not a salary.
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Nov 22, 2024, 9:30 AM
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Endorsers are not employees of the companies or NIL collectives fur which they advertise goods or services.
They are independent contractors.
The 9th circuit has nothing to do with it.
The Supreme Court and numerous other federal district courts do.
Congressional legislation? It failed in committee this year.
The next Congress is going to have much more important things in their plate than getting the NCAA an antitrust exemption. Even if they get it, it won't affect private NIL at all, because the NCAA can't legally interfere with business deals between two third parties.
See the huge numbers of pro athletes that make big NIL dollars from endorsement deals that the pro leagues can't regulate for the evidence.
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Re: NIL $ Ranked by Team
Nov 22, 2024, 11:52 AM
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You can’t salary cap NIL even the nfl doesn’t do that. Mainly because it’s illegal.
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Athletic Dir [1131]
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Re: NIL $ Ranked by Team
Nov 22, 2024, 10:50 AM
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I would say it proves the point. The top 5 have twice as much as we do. So they can afford to buy the elite players plus keep depth. Look at the current top 4 ranking then look at the list.
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Re: NIL $ Ranked by Team
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Nov 22, 2024, 7:36 AM
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Thought A&M. Would have been higher
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Re: NIL $ Ranked by Team
Nov 22, 2024, 7:38 AM
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These numbers are a year old now. Oregon and a few others are much higher now I’m sure.
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Dynasty Maker [3136]
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NIL cannot be regulated.
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That would violate federal law.
Why is this so difficult to understand?
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Re: NIL cannot be regulated.
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Nov 22, 2024, 7:44 AM
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Once the schools start paying the players, salary caps can be used… but not until then
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Orange Beast [6480]
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Re: NIL cannot be regulated.
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But NIL will exist IN ADDITION to the school's pay.
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Re: NIL cannot be regulated.
Nov 22, 2024, 10:36 AM
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I’m under the assumption that the NIL $ will go way way down once the schools start paying the players and they become employees. Right now donors are ponying up big bucks to get players to their school. I hope this will change to what NIL is actually supposed to be for.
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Athletic Dir [1161]
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Hello from the NFL
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You are probably right that NIL can’t be regulated directly, just like there’s nothing to prevent Home Depot from giving Kirk Cousins a commercial deal. BUT, Home Depot has no influence on the Falcons ability to sign players or lure them from another team.
As I and many others have said, implement the NFL ( or any other professional league) rules and the importance of NIL will go away.
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Ultimate Tiger [37848]
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Re: Hello from the NFL
Nov 22, 2024, 7:58 AM
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This is America everything is and can be regulated.
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Dynasty Maker [3136]
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What is being regulated is the NCAA's ability to
Nov 22, 2024, 8:07 AM
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have rules that violate federal law, that interfere with interstate commerce, and that create illegal trusts.
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Orange Beast [6480]
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Re: Hello from the NFL
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Show me any private agreement where the max pay is regulated.
This is not a collective bargaining situation like MLB/MLBPA or NFL/NFLPA. This is a private entity (call it RHPLTMEG's LEMONADE STAND) deciding how much they want to give to an individual person. Nobody can tell you that you are not allowed to pay Mafah $56 million to "represent your brand". It's your choice.
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Dynasty Maker [3136]
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The NFL has a federal antitrust exe option.
Nov 22, 2024, 8:05 AM
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College doesn't.
The NFL can't regulate anyone's private NIL. They don't pay it.
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Re: The NFL has a federal antitrust exe option.
Nov 22, 2024, 8:28 AM
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Correct on both fronts. But this arrogant guy has never heard of the SBA.
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Ultimate Tiger [37848]
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Re: NIL cannot be regulated.
Nov 22, 2024, 7:55 AM
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Federal laws are changed everyday.
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Dynasty Maker [3136]
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Every day? Not the ones that matter here.
Nov 22, 2024, 8:11 AM
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The Sherman Antitrust Act has been around since 1890.
The Interstate Commerce Act has been in the books since 1887.
The Supreme Court says the NCAA model is illegal. By a 9-0 vote in the Alston case.
Congress isn't going to change those laws, because without them the national economy would collapse.
Try to grasp the big picture. College sports are a drop in the bucket for what the pertinent laws cover.
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Clemson Sports Icon [56241]
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Re: 24/7 Sports says that we have 476 million.
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Some teams have made big moves in 1 year… most notably Texas A&M and Oregon.
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All-In [10563]
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Re: NIL $ Ranked by Team
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Nov 22, 2024, 7:48 AM
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Take these numbers with a grain of salt. OSU has openly said they spent 21 million this past year so these numbers are off.
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Re: NIL $ Ranked by Team
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Nov 22, 2024, 7:51 AM
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Yea but the NIL and bagmen funds are different and that will never be recorded for public knowledge.
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Ultimate Tiger [37848]
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Re: NIL $ Ranked by Team
Nov 22, 2024, 7:57 AM
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It is funny that these numbers are even out there. Reality vs what is published are worlds apart.
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Re: NIL $ Ranked by Team
Nov 22, 2024, 7:56 AM
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With the exception of FSU, the list is somewhat in line with the current rankings.
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Heisman Winner [78880]
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Our NIL pot is almost $3 Million behind the #TEN team on the list, which just
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happens to be Florida State.
Dabo is using the NIL $$$ we DO have to RETAIN players, which is why we don't foray into the Transfer Portal much, we don't have nearly as many guys leaving as some of the other "major" programs.
It is very easy to be a Monday Morning Quarterback, and say "We should just pony up the $$$ to sign Bubba Dubois and his $10 Million dollar NIL demands." If you have those $10 million just lying around, by all means, knock yourself out. Otherwise, maybe do like the spoon suggested, and shut the fork up?
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Dynasty Maker [3136]
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We had 14 football guys transfer out this year?
Nov 22, 2024, 8:27 AM
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That's around 16% of the 85 scholly guys.
That is incongruent with "retention".
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Those guys transferring was probably not the result of us not having
Nov 22, 2024, 8:44 AM
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enough money to retain them as it was not wanting to.
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Dynasty Maker [3136]
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Not even.
Nov 22, 2024, 8:55 AM
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Its proof that Dabo's idea of using NIL to keep guys on the roster is flawed, at best.
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Orange Immortal [61538]
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Oh, okay.
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That settles it. LOL!
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Re: NIL $ Ranked by Team
Nov 22, 2024, 8:11 AM
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Thanks for posting. Was a little surprised that AtM was not in the top ten. Guess they're still paying off their former coach. lol
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Clemson Conqueror [11601]
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No one knows all of these charts are a waste of time
Nov 22, 2024, 8:23 AM
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NIL deals are not publicly reported so these are just guesses for clicks. ON3 for example just uses social media followers to estimate how much a player's NIL should be worth the aren't privy to any actual contracts or data.
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Re: NIL $ Ranked by Team
Nov 22, 2024, 8:24 AM
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The "t" in front of "OSU" ...
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Valley Protector [1406]
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No regulations on NIL, this is America, not China
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Nm
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [99529]
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This thread is less than two hours old, but a certain obsessed individual
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has already posted in this thread ten twelve fourteen eighteen times.
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Orange Immortal [66548]
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Are calling his Bluff?***
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Orange Blooded [2119]
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Re: NIL $ Ranked by Team
Nov 22, 2024, 8:46 AM
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So, we need a 40-50% increase to be firmly in the top 10.
Think about it: If you received multiple job offers, wouldn’t the one paying 30,40 or 50% more look very enticing?
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There is zero fact be hind On3's NIL valuations.
Cool to look at but truth is we have no idea what we, or anyone else, is paying.
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Orange Beast [6480]
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NIL$ is a guess. These are individual private agreements. Nobody knows the actual numbers...they are just valuations.
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National Champion [8042]
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We also have he 17th largest purse in college rankings! We could be spending much more!
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Rival Killer [2855]
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Re: NIL $ Ranked by Team
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Nov 22, 2024, 9:26 AM
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Yep, we've been in the top 20 in all ratings I've seen season to date.
Maybe we can get AOAOTT52 to stop spreading the disinformation. Starting to feel like an election campaign around here.
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All-Conference [413]
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If this translated directly, FSU and USC would be good***
Nov 22, 2024, 9:41 AM
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Dynasty Maker [3136]
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That's an Appeal to Outliers.
Nov 22, 2024, 9:46 AM
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It applies directly to Oregon, Ohio State, Texas, Penn State, Indiana, Miami, Bama, Georgia, Tennessee, SMU, Colorado...
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Top TigerNet [29690]
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That's also an appeal to outliers
Nov 22, 2024, 10:12 AM
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It also applies directly to LSU, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Florida, Auburn, Missouri, North Carolina, and Kentucky in addition to FSU and USC.
These are teams in the top 25 of NIL rankings with 3 or more losses and only SC and Missouiri ranked in the CFP poll at #18 and #23. So that's 10 of the top 25 in NIL rankings with 3 or more losses and 8 of them unranked in the CFP poll.
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Dynasty Maker [3136]
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The initial was still an appeal to outliers
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Nov 22, 2024, 10:30 AM
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Because there are 130 teams that use up front NIL and the pirate, in tandem.
You're trying to cherry pick the ones that aren't at the top. That's bogus.
The fact remains that every one of the most successful teams this year use the portal and up front NIL.
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Top TigerNet [29690]
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And you're cherry picking the ones that are at the top.
Nov 22, 2024, 10:41 AM
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Like you said, there are 130 teams that use NIL and the "pirate" (w/e that is). The OP showed the top 25 in NIL. You picked ten of them that are currently successful and I picked 10 of them that aren't.
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Trainer [48]
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Re: NIL $ Ranked by Team
Nov 22, 2024, 12:17 PM
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looks kinda like the CFP poll
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Top TigerNet [28452]
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Dang ... that's right where the 2025 class is ranked. Go figure.***
Nov 22, 2024, 12:50 PM
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Orange Beast [6374]
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Re: NIL $ Ranked by Team
Nov 22, 2024, 1:07 PM
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The odd thing on that list is seeing Texas A&M only paying out 9.3m. I thought they were in the top 3
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Game Day Hero [4572]
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Re: NIL $ Ranked by Team
Nov 22, 2024, 2:21 PM
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Man is FSU getting fleeced! 11Mil in NIL and gonna end up at best 2-9!
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Standout [209]
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Re: NIL $ Ranked by Team
Nov 22, 2024, 3:02 PM
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Doesn't information like these rankings show where we will likely end up in the long run. If we are 18th in available funds to purchase/keep players, we will have a roster that is 18th best in college football. Coaching can push up/down a couple places but I wouldn't think too much. Also, if you look at our current CFP ranking, we are where we should be? I really don't enjoy typing that last sentence.
Go Tigers! Win Out!
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All-Pro [778]
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Re: NIL $ Ranked by Team
Nov 22, 2024, 4:36 PM
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Wow! Thanks for posting that. Texas has $8.1 million more than Clemson. That could be used to give 5 players $1.6 million each more than Clemson has. Or 6 players $1.35 million. Or you could divide it up amongst 85 players and give them all $95,000 each. Get creative an decide how it could be spent to retain the players you really need to keep for starters and back-ups. We lose about 11 players per year to NIL. And we all know Coach Dabo isn't going use much NIL money to get freshmen recruits. Or spend hardly any money at all to get transfers from other teams. So, could you imagine if he used that extra $8.1 mil to keep the good players that are starters and the players that are in line to be starters a year or two down the road and are 2nd or third string now? Then we would have those 3 or 4 starting players that we are missing every year. And 3 or 4 back-ups that we need every year. I know all 11 or 12 transfers are not going to stay. You can't keep every body. But if we could just keep a few more pieces to the puzzle on the team. We would be two deep or too deep again. Those rich teams have such an advantage.
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