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CU Medallion [20797]
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From what I read, all we need is
Dec 31, 2022, 3:59 PM
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a new OC, QB coach, WR coach, RB coach, OL coach, DC, LB coach CB coach, S coach, and S&C coach.
If this is the case, we need a new head coach, because apparently the guy we have now has no idea what he's doing.
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Orange Blooded [2280]
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Re: From what I read, all we need is
Dec 31, 2022, 4:02 PM
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Sadly, that might just bear out over time if we stay the course.
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CU Medallion [20797]
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Or
Dec 31, 2022, 4:05 PM
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The guy who wins every year knows more than T-Net. I'm betting on the guy who wins every year, not on this place
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Rival Killer [2874]
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Re: Or
Dec 31, 2022, 4:08 PM
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Dabo's not that guy anymore.
He's a complacent man that's filled his staff with Yes Men.
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CU Medallion [20797]
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Sure he's not
Dec 31, 2022, 4:11 PM
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just like he wasn't when we hired him. At least according to T-Net
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Orange Elite [5234]
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I was in favor of Dabo hire all the way… but he has changed***
Dec 31, 2022, 4:22 PM
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CU Medallion [20797]
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I hope so
Dec 31, 2022, 4:24 PM
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he's over 50 now
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Freshman [-74]
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Why? Two years with a struggling QB, then
Dec 31, 2022, 5:59 PM
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this:
We ran 101 plays to their 66.
101 plays is the most we've ever run in a game.
We had 45 rushes and 56 passes. Outstanding balance.
We had 484 total yards to their 375.
We had 320 passing yards to their 251.
We had 164 rushing yds to their 124.
We had 34 first downs to their 21.
We were 7 of 19 on 3rd down conversions to their 3 of 13.
We had a 36:23 time of possession to their 23:37.
Get outta here with your lack of common sense.
Had he gotten older? Yes. Has he forgotten the things that have made him the 2nd winningest coach in America since he was hired? No. A 10-win and an 11-win season, ESPECIALLY WITH THE ISSUE AT QB, are far from some sort of catastrophic event.
The word is perspective. Please give it a try.
If you're so unhappy with not making the playoffs every single year, then good luck finding a team who does. Let me know who that is.
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Ultimate Tiger [37812]
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Re: Why? Two years with a struggling QB, then
Dec 31, 2022, 6:07 PM
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this:
We ran 101 plays to their 66.
101 plays is the most we've ever run in a game.
We had 45 rushes and 56 passes. Outstanding balance.
We had 484 total yards to their 375.
We had 320 passing yards to their 251.
We had 164 rushing yds to their 124.
We had 34 first downs to their 21.
We were 7 of 19 on 3rd down conversions to their 3 of 13.
We had a 36:23 time of possession to their 23:37.
Get outta here with your lack of common sense.
Had he gotten older? Yes. Has he forgotten the things that have made him the 2nd winningest coach in America since he was hired? No. A 10-win and an 11-win season, ESPECIALLY WITH THE ISSUE AT QB, are far from some sort of catastrophic event.
The word is perspective. Please give it a try.
If you're so unhappy with not making the playoffs every single year, then good luck finding a team who does. Let me know who that is.
Well said!!
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Re: Why? Two years with a struggling QB, then
Jan 1, 2023, 12:34 PM
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Yep, put Tee Higgins and Amari Rodgers on this year’s team and we’re playing Georgia instead of TCU. Folks need to chill with Dabo talk, he won 11 games this year which is a great season, and he did so without great quarterback play and without any wide receivers who would be considered elite
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National Champion [7882]
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Re: Why? Two years with a struggling QB, then
Jan 1, 2023, 12:42 PM
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I mean face it, nobody including the coaches ever imagined DJ would be a bust, I had such high hopes for that kid, and he looked like the real deal. It wasn’t all on him though. He didn’t get much help from the receiving corps either, and heading in to the 2021 season it look like the receiving corps was stacked, but it never materialized. Sometimes this is just the way the cookie crumbles, the only thing I question that Dabo did was his coordinator hires, but the statistics don’t lie, Goodwin posted a solid year and I think Streeter did the best with what he had.
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Playmaker [397]
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Re: Why? Two years with a struggling QB, then
Jan 1, 2023, 8:49 PM
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Who did we beat that was as good as Notre Dame, Tennessee, or South Carolina? We were favored in all three games. We won the ACC over a hapless UNC squad. With the talent we have, the facilities and the exorbitantly expensive coaches, why did we lose to those unfavored teams?
Fill me in.
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Tiger Spirit [9775]
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Re: Why? Two years with a struggling QB, then
Jan 1, 2023, 9:12 PM
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FSU on the road was easily better than S.Carolina.
W.Forest on the road … before Wake lost 2 key OLinemen … was better than the TN team which didn’t have QB Hooker or either of their two top WRs.
N.Dame was too good for us when we played them; the N.Dame team that played in Gator Bowl did so with a backup QB and other key offensive players missing.
As for why better teams struggle to win (and sometime lose) against weaker teams, it happens.
OH State struggled against Northwestern.
MI struggled mightily against Purdue.
TCU had the luckiest-win-of-the-year win against Baylor.
More on TCU … they beat TX and OK soundly, both of which have far more resources, higher paid coaches than TCU. Guess what happens to TCU next year (after they lose a bunch of their portal mercenaries)?
Take the fools bet by picking TCU over TX and/or OK next year, but first be sure that you can afford it.
Basing your choices upon the shiny object of the moment is the sure path to failure. Even great organizations deserve some patience on occasion.
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Campus Hero [13855]
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Sorry, but those stats really aren't good
Jan 1, 2023, 9:07 PM
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484 yards on 101 plays means less than 5 yards per play. Tennessee's offense wasn't spectacular either, but they actually averaged about 1 yard per play more than we did.
Georgia was at like 10 yards per play last night against OSU. Our offense has zero explosiveness and that's why so many of our drives stalled in Tennessee territory. It's very difficult to move down the field 5 yards at a time. Eventually one thing goes wrong and you end up punting. Big plays help tremendously for generating points.
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Recruit [97]
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Re: Sorry, but those stats really aren't good
Jan 1, 2023, 9:13 PM
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110%er [6166]
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This is the best take of all. Stats are situational and …
Jan 3, 2023, 9:07 AM
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… stats are not always a solid indicator of what happened on the field.
Our offensive problem was exactly as you said … great between the 20s, but ineffectual in the red zone.
We couldn’t score touchdowns. So we settled for field goal attempts.
Then we couldn’t hit FGs either.
For all of that, the score was 14-7 in the third quarter when the defense busted and gave up the long TD pass that sort of finally broke our backs.
Just like Notre Dame earlier, this was a very frustrating game to watch.
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Tiger Spirit [9775]
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Re: Sorry, but those stats really aren't good
Jan 1, 2023, 9:49 PM
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The apparent success for the offense (re: 101 plays and 484 yards) was due significantly to our D stopping TN for numerous consecutive 3 and outs.
Our offense was back on the field repeatedly and gained yards in the ~ middle of the field real estate.
We did not have enough skill at QB position (I am talking only about the time and place for the TN game) to get the tough onside-the-30-yard-line yards.
Thus, the numerous H1 FG attempts.
We got a few cheap 1st downs in H1 due to PI penalties on long pass patterns in which the ball was markedly under-thrown balls. This was very helpful as far as maintaining possession; more possessions = more yards.
Unfortunately for us, TN’s defense made the adjustment starting H2 and those cheap PI first downs on under-thrown balls dried up.
Yards were gained without relying on PI penalties in H2 because TN’s defense was getting pooped. Again, we were only minimally productive with efforts at the inside-the-30-yard line zone.
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Freshman [-97]
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Re: Sorry, but those stats really aren't good
Jan 3, 2023, 10:36 AM
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If Cade wasn’t skilled enough as you say, imagine how crappy it would have been with DJ? Would they have managed 50 plays and 250 yards? Doubt it. That loss was on the OL amongst other things. NOT Cade. He played well with a few freshman mistakes. DJ would have gotten us blown out way worse than what happened.
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Orange Elite [5234]
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I’m unhappy having the more talented team and losing to less
Jan 1, 2023, 10:11 PM
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Talented teams (based on our recruiting each year vs the other opposing teams we play. That is all. I never expect we go to the playoffs every year. Not sure why you think I think that is my criteria for being satisfied with this staff.
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Game Changer [1679]
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110%er [3761]
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I was completely against the Dabo hire
Jan 1, 2023, 8:03 PM
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It made no sense to fire a failing coach and then replace him with someone on his staff
However, I also said at the time if Dabo brought in great coordinators, it could work.
After struggling a few years, Dabo brought in Morris and Venables after the 2010 and 2011 seasons. A few years later, we were in the playoffs. Dabo was an average WR coach at best. But he was a tremendous recruiter and manager and grew into the HC position and after hiring a couple of great coordinators took Clemson to heights never seen before. He became a great head coach, and still is. But his philosophy on coaching hires have changed. In house hires are sometimes a good thing...worked with the Scott/Elliot co-coordinator position. But you can't use in hire promotions for almost every position and strictly use former players and other none experienced coaches to complete your staff. Almost all our development coaches have zero experience when hired. That's not good. And when frustrated fans bring this up, they are called coots or disloyal or spoiled. It's not spoiled to point out facts. And it's a fact that, despite our record, we weren't very good this year. Average at best. Playing a cream puff schedule helps to boost our record. But even in this easy games, we obviously struggled on both sides of the ball. I simply want something done before we slip too far. South Carolina and Florida State are on the rise. We can't let South Carolina pass us, if they haven't already. They have had a much better season. They destroyed that team that killed us the other night...with their starters. And almost beat the other team that killed us the other night (ND) . I can't stomach South Carolina being better than us.
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Tiger Spirit [9775]
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Re: I was completely against the Dabo hire
Jan 1, 2023, 10:00 PM
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First of all, S.Carolina hasn’t passed us. We played our worst game of 2022 vs them and lost by 1 point.
S.Carolina loses key pieces from their defense and at least 1 skill position starter has already left via the portal.
S.Rattler has nice touch on his passes, but is easily, well, rattled and makes far too many really bad decisions for a veteran QB.
As for our allegedly terrible coaching staff, would you kindly provide comparative statistics from 2022 vs 2021 for those units in which performance had declined?
By doing this, we can dissect your assertions by correlating each unit’s performance with the relevant assistant coach.
Thanks in advance, IRONCAT68
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110%er [3761]
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It's more than just the one point loss
Jan 2, 2023, 12:44 PM
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South Carolina vs Tennessee: a 63-38 blow out in favor of the coots
Clemson vs Tennessee: a 31-14 but whooping to their practice squad
Clemson vs Notre Dame:. Game was over by halftime with a lopsided ND win
South Carolina vs Notre Dame : Gamecocks lost a nail biter in the final seconds.
And yes I do realize they lost a couple more games, but honestly, we would have never beaten Georgia either.
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110%er [6166]
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Scar and Notre Dame were up & down in 2022
Jan 3, 2023, 11:14 AM
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In addition to Georgia, Scar lost to mediocre Arkansas and terrible Florida and Missouri teams on there way to catching lightning in a bottle versus The Vols.
ND lost to Marshall and Stanford before getting sort of righting the ship later in the year.
Just like Clemson, neither team was all that great overall.
And Notre Dame did manage to bring Scar back down to earth in the Gator Bowl so there’s that.
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Freshman [-74]
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Re: Or
Dec 31, 2022, 5:51 PM
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Dabo's not that guy anymore.
He's a complacent man that's filled his staff with Yes Men.
Either that or you're just comically clueless.
NOTHING about that loss yesterday had a darn thing to do with Dabo's coaching. He's still the 2nd winningest coach since he was hired, regardless of what Ohio State does.
Dabo sucks, huh?
We ran 101 plays to their 66.
101 plays is the most we've ever run in a game.
We had 45 rushes and 56 passes. Outstanding balance.
We had 484 total yards to their 375.
We had 320 passing yards to their 251.
We had 164 rushing yds to their 124.
We had 34 first downs to their 21.
We were 7 of 19 on 3rd down conversions to their 3 of 13.
We had a 36:23 time of possession to their 23:37.
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All-In [11066]
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All Orange, you make good points, but I disagree on one...
Jan 2, 2023, 10:42 PM
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I don't think our offense had excellent balance, with 56 passes and 45 runs. 20 of the rushing attempts were by Cade, and a true freshman making his first start shouldn't have been throwing the ball 56 times! If Ship and Mafah had carried it 45 times, and Cade threw about 40 passes at most, that would have been a much more balanced offense!
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Re: Or
Jan 1, 2023, 11:24 AM
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I've learned over the past decade that some people go with beliefs not facts. If you're talking to a belief guy, you can give them 100 facts that support your position, and they still will hold their belief.
I'm a facts and science guy.
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Tiger Spirit [9775]
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Re: Or
Jan 1, 2023, 10:06 PM
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Alright then … let’s see the comparative statistics of each unit for 2022 vs 2021, and correlate those statistics with the relevant assistant coach.
The above is the scientific / facts based approach which precedes the drawing of a conclusion.
It is not the other way around.
Thanks in advance, smittyta and Happy New Year!
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Game Changer [1679]
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Re: Or
Jan 2, 2023, 10:49 PM
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Look in the mirror and see the idiot looking at you!!!!
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Orange Elite [5234]
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He hasn’t won meaningfully since the LSU game IMO…***
Dec 31, 2022, 4:21 PM
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Game Day Hero [4167]
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Re: He hasn’t won meaningfully since the LSU game IMO…***
Dec 31, 2022, 4:41 PM
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Ummm 2 national titles say otherwise?
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Top TigerNet [31186]
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Please tell us about our the National Titles since Burrow
Dec 31, 2022, 4:46 PM
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And LSU smashed us?
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Freshman [-74]
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Ikr. And LSU was terrible in 2019.
Dec 31, 2022, 8:55 PM
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By the way, they scored something like 21 points in the 2nd quarter and it was still a close game until late in the 3rd.
That was perhaps the best team in the history of the college game. ZERO shame in losing in the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP to them.
It used to be that finishing #2 in the country was a pretty cool thing... especially we've finished higher than that ONE time before Dabo. You're old enough to have some perspective, sir.
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Orange Elite [5234]
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LSU exposed the beginning of our softness period…***
Jan 1, 2023, 10:14 PM
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Walk-On [139]
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Re: LSU exposed the beginning of our softness period…***
Jan 2, 2023, 3:33 PM
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It was revealed again vs UGA the following year, and something has felt wrong to me ever since. Our defensive performance all but handed us the W, but where was our offense? I chalked it up to UGA Defense. I kept thinking the team would 'gel', but it's never found solid footing. Not saying we're bad or awful, but it's obvious we're not playing at a top level. UGA or OhioSt would have torched us.
Congrats on the ACC Championship, won convincingly.
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All-In [11066]
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Well, at least 50% of the problem with the offense is gone!***
Jan 2, 2023, 10:45 PM
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Tiger Spirit [9775]
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Re: Please tell us about our the National Titles since Burrow
Jan 1, 2023, 10:10 PM
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The Union Army lost the battles at Bull Run, Chancellorsville, and Fredericksburg to the Confederate Army.
Based on your vision of LSU vs us, you’d prefer Ed Orgeron to Dabo and would assert that the Confederate Army was better than the Union Army.
Got it.
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Re: From what I read, all we need is
Jan 1, 2023, 9:04 PM
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I hope we stay the course. We are winning championships and we missed the playoffs by 1 point. I wish Dabo would have given Cade the keys after the Syracuse game but he didn’t and unfortunately it bit us at the worst time against the Lamecocks. I still think we win if we just don’t fumble the ball a couple times but it happened. I think we have a great QB now and I think next year we’ll be making a run for the playoff again. Winning isn’t easy but we’ll have better odds than probably every team we play. Go Tigers!
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Ring of Honor [21722]
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Well…I don’t see any of those groups that were standouts
Dec 31, 2022, 4:04 PM
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this year or last other than maybe the linebackers. The rest absolutely shouldn’t be too comfortable with their jobs. And it falls squarely on the HC’s shoulders.
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CU Medallion [20797]
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And your football experience consists of?***
Dec 31, 2022, 4:06 PM
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Ring of Honor [21722]
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Probably about as much coaching experience as Goodwin
Dec 31, 2022, 4:08 PM
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You don’t have to be an expert to see that coaching has been pitiful and that players aren’t being developed like in year’s past. But no one wants to hear that. They just want to say things like “Dabo knows what he’s doing”. Well, it sure as hell hasn’t looked that way the last two seasons since losing proven coordinators.
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CU Medallion [20797]
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You mean the guy who was in the NFL and
Dec 31, 2022, 4:12 PM
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assisted BV?
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Ring of Honor [21722]
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I was being facetious
Dec 31, 2022, 4:19 PM
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But yes, the guy with NFL talent all over the field yet highly overrated and underperforming. That one?
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CU Medallion [20797]
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My critique of the President
Dec 31, 2022, 4:13 PM
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carries just as much weight as your critique here.
None
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110%er [3815]
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Re: My critique of the President
Dec 31, 2022, 4:22 PM
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So if your opinion doesn't carry weight then that's a dictatorship. Is that what Clemson Football is?
(I'm being snarky and a smart@ss.)
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CU Medallion [20797]
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I get to vote on a President
Dec 31, 2022, 4:26 PM
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and still my lone opinion means next to nothing
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Paw Warrior [4795]
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Re: I get to vote on a President
Dec 31, 2022, 4:42 PM
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Then why are you blathering on here? If you have nothing of value to add, log off and go do something else. This is a discussion board where people discuss Clemson football. If you want an echo chamber where Dabo can do no wrong, you can start your own board.
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CU Medallion [20797]
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It's not that Dabo can do no wrong
Dec 31, 2022, 4:49 PM
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it's that morans here think they have all the answers. And thst answer is basically fire everyone but Eason apparently.
So you think that's an educated take, or just a juvenile emotional tantrum?
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National Champion [7472]
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Re: It's not that Dabo can do no wrong
Dec 31, 2022, 4:57 PM
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Last time I checked striper, this is a message board where everyone can vent and #####, whether you agree or not. You have the same attitude as Dabo, do not question or criticize, or you’re a loser outsider who doesn’t know what they’re talking about. Very condescending and ass-holish.
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CU Medallion [20797]
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Firing everyone is not questioning
Dec 31, 2022, 5:30 PM
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it is stupid
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National Champion [7472]
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Re: Firing everyone is not questioning
Dec 31, 2022, 6:02 PM
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Who said anything about firing everyone? But fans are here to discuss problems with the team. And there are OBVIOUS PROBLEMS with this team.
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There has been talk every week here of firing
Jan 1, 2023, 1:30 PM
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every coach but Eason. Every one of them.
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Paw Master [17246]
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Re: It's not that Dabo can do no wrong
Dec 31, 2022, 5:43 PM
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So we asked a question on the discussion board and you deflect and explain what a discussion board is. Well played.
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National Champion [7472]
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Re: It's not that Dabo can do no wrong
Dec 31, 2022, 6:07 PM
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No, my point is that people are on here to rant and he calls people stupid and morons who don’t agree with his opinion.
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CU Medallion [20797]
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Then rant intelligently
Jan 1, 2023, 8:44 PM
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instead of just screaming fire everyone, knowing that's not happening
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Re: I get to vote on a President
Dec 31, 2022, 5:42 PM
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So you criticize him for wanting an echo chamber as you work to create an echo chamber. Only say bad things about Dabo! Otherwise start your own board. Harumph. Football gives me sads and I deserves better.
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Orange Blooded [2278]
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Re: My critique of the President
Jan 1, 2023, 12:16 PM
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You criticize our opinions, so explain why yours carries any weight? The only one that I want fired is Grisham. No my opinion isn't going to change anything, but this board is for sharing those opinions. News Flash. Your support of Dabo's decisions isn't going to change anything either.
Although, your head might be too deep in the sand to see them, Dabo and the coaching staff have made several mistakes over the last couple of years. It happens. Though some suspected, none knew they were mistakes until after they happened. I would hope that the coaching staff understands that and some of their comments are misplaced coach speak. The fact that some posters were right about isolated things does not make them smarter than Dabo overall, but it doesn't change that they were right, and Dabo wasn't.
I'm glad that you have no concerns, and trust Dabo unconditionally. It must make being a fan much easier. I don't have that trust and have several concerns. I suspect that the best is not yet to come. I hope that I am wrong because it would be better for both of us if I am.
My hope on this board, would be that people with opinions like yours would argue why you feel some way other than Dabo said so. He's not my Mom, and even though, she said "because I said so," she wasn't always right either. For example, if someone says Streeter should be fired, don't tell them "Dabo has won 2 National titles so he knows better than you." They never had the opportunity that Dabo did. Who knows that person might have won 3 if they had the opportunity. Instead, maybe try arguing that the offense improved over last year. Before DJ lost his confidence and now that Cade is behind center it looks much better. "Dabo has won 2 National Championships and you haven't" is the TNet race card in my opinion, and I know, it means nothing, but it is still a bad look.
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CU Medallion [20797]
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I trust most guys with proven exceptionalism
Jan 1, 2023, 1:33 PM
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in their fields. Who else should I trust, you?
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Re: I trust most guys with proven exceptionalism
Jan 2, 2023, 3:01 PM
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If we are talking about football, then not me. I'm not asking for you to agree with me. I'm just asking for reasons other than Dabo said so. Even if you are going to regurgitate what Dabo thinks, how about some specifics and maybe even a little commentary on why you agree with it. Maybe you can change my mind if you give me more than Dabo is right.
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CU Medallion [20797]
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My OP had nothing to do with anything Dabo said
Jan 2, 2023, 3:30 PM
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it was about what TNet is saying, still. Fire everyone. I haven't quoted Dabo in this entire thread.
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Re: From what I read, all we need is
Dec 31, 2022, 4:12 PM
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We need Ned OL players too. It ain’t all coaching.
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Paw Master [16856]
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I would love to hear your suggestions...Or do you not see
Dec 31, 2022, 4:23 PM
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any issues?
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CU Medallion [20797]
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WR talent is less than it was
Dec 31, 2022, 4:31 PM
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QB was a distraction all year. Our best CB was out again last night. Depth at DE needs addressed. Should be with guys returning and recruiting class. Our best OL, McFadden, was awful last night.
But it's not like the sky is falling as some portray
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Head Coach [956]
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Thank you
Dec 31, 2022, 4:39 PM
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for being the voice of reason.
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Paw Master [16856]
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CU Medallion [20797]
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You asked if I saw any issues
Dec 31, 2022, 5:41 PM
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I listed them. Not my job, or yours, to fix them
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Paw Master [16856]
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You are criticizing other peoples suggestions, yet have none
Dec 31, 2022, 5:46 PM
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of your own apparently...Sure, firing everybody is a bad idea, but if you don't have a better one why even point it out? Apparently you can't do any better than the dumba$$es who want everybody to go...Such a cop out to hide behind "not my job to fix them"
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Paw Master [17246]
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Re: You are criticizing other peoples suggestions, yet have none
Dec 31, 2022, 5:55 PM
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Who hurt you?
- Coach Viz
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Paw Master [16856]
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Nobody coachviz, why do you ask?***
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Paw Master [17246]
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Re: Nobody coachviz, why do you ask?***
Dec 31, 2022, 6:01 PM
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It seems weird that you channel your aggression towards a Clemson fan who’s tired of other Clemson fans tearing down his team. Striperfan comes off as one of the more even handed of the regular users on this board. Just interesting to see the fights you pick.
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Re: Nobody coachviz, why do you ask?***
Dec 31, 2022, 6:04 PM
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You see this type of immature anger from this poster quite often.
I’m not the least bit surprised he’s picking this fight against the son of Jim Phillips, legendary voice of the Tigers.
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Paw Master [16856]
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I'm not picking a fight, I asked a simple question***
Dec 31, 2022, 6:06 PM
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CU Medallion [20797]
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You edited your original post from seeing issues
Jan 1, 2023, 8:48 PM
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to asking for suggestions. So you're disingenuous as well in promoting your agenda
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Paw Master [16856]
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No, no I didn't...I led with suggestions***
Jan 1, 2023, 10:02 PM
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CU Medallion [20797]
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You said what issues do I see
Jan 2, 2023, 3:32 PM
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I listed them. Been talking about WR for 2 years
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Paw Master [16856]
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You accused me of going back and editing my post after you
Jan 2, 2023, 5:31 PM
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responded which is a lie and you can check the time of my posts as evidence that I didn't do that, because if I had, it would have shown up as a later time than your response, which it doesn't...So you can apologize for your false accusation
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Heisman Winner [78357]
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Yep, editing his post and saying he never said something..
Jan 2, 2023, 6:37 PM
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That's his MO. He loves to make things up and deny them after he has edited out the bits that are complete nonsense.
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Paw Master [16856]
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The proof is in the timeline...Show me where I went back***
Jan 2, 2023, 10:16 PM
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Paw Master [16856]
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Re: Nobody coachviz, why do you ask?***
Dec 31, 2022, 6:15 PM
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You see this type of immature anger from this poster quite often.
I’m not the least bit surprised he’s picking this fight against the son of Jim Phillips, legendary voice of the Tigers.
Yep speaking with royalty in my mind… you have the floor Striper. You have definitely been and seen more that had anything to do with Clemson than most that frequent this board.
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Mr. Shack
Jan 2, 2023, 6:45 PM
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is a huge fan of mine. In the midst of one of his attacks on a well-loved member I won't mention, I punched down in return. I shouldn't have, but I did. He won't let it go and loves to talk about my scok's, etc.
Oh well... ddraines
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Paw Master [16856]
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By scoks, do you mean the multiple handles you made in order
Jan 2, 2023, 10:21 PM
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to vote up your own posts? Those scoks?
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Paw Master [16856]
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I asked for his suggestions on how to fix it, since he is so
Dec 31, 2022, 6:05 PM
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wise, reasonable enough request in my mind...not a fight... and he hid behind a cop out, because apparently he doesn't have any better ideas that the morons who want to just fire everybody and start over
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Paw Master [17246]
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Re: I asked for his suggestions on how to fix it, since he is so
Dec 31, 2022, 6:12 PM
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He answered your original question in a perfectly satisfactory manner. But you rephrased your question and pretended he didn’t answer your original question. He still answered you as he felt appropriate. If you find his observations pointless why is that more worth confronting than people espousing equally pointless negative opinions. Again, I just find it interesting whom you choose to be hostile towards and why.
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Paw Master [16856]
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No. no he didn't...I rephrased nothing...I led with asking
Dec 31, 2022, 6:17 PM
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for his suggestions and he ducked it...and where exactly is my hostility?
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CU Medallion [20797]
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Paw Master [16856]
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Nope***
Jan 1, 2023, 10:03 PM
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Heisman Winner [78357]
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Don't waste your time.
Jan 2, 2023, 6:49 PM
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Everybody sees him for what he is and knows he's a sad person looking for someone to attack to feel better about himself.
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Paw Master [16856]
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You just described yourself***
Jan 2, 2023, 10:17 PM
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CU Medallion [19046]
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Re: You are criticizing other peoples suggestions, yet have none
Dec 31, 2022, 5:59 PM
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Don't take this the wrong way because it is not what I am suggesting but I am watching a team right now that did just that.
TCU was 5-7 last year, fired all the coaches, and started over. Now they are one half of football away from playing for a National Championship.
As I said, I am not advocating it for Clemson but I am giving you an example of how it can be done.
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CU Medallion [20797]
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You think they're back next year?
Jan 1, 2023, 8:53 PM
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or are they a perfect storm? Dykes was fired at Cal when he couldn't win squat. He had decent success at LA Tech and Tex Tech. Now he's the model?
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CU Medallion [20797]
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Re: WR talent is less than it was
Dec 31, 2022, 5:57 PM
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And Blake Miller had his less than stellar moments
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Re: From what I read, all we need is
Dec 31, 2022, 5:50 PM
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to shutup, not question anything and let Dabo will bring another championship, his way.
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Re: From what I read, all we need is
Dec 31, 2022, 6:04 PM
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@striperfan lot of negativity on here right now. I choose to look at the total product and though I do understand some things need to be addressed I remember the pre Dabo years and then things do not seem so bad.
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Orange Blooded [2058]
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Just stop
Dec 31, 2022, 6:05 PM
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It's not hard to see that we need changes.
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Re: From what I read, all we need is
Dec 31, 2022, 6:07 PM
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And more melodrama.
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Clemson Icon [26917]
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Go to any message board of any school in the country.
Jan 1, 2023, 12:37 PM
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You will find plenty of people who know more about coaching than the HC or the assistants do.
One of my favorite quotes is to read someone write, "If you just study the game tape, you will see...."
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OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!!!
Jan 1, 2023, 1:59 PM
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11-3 and fairweather fans are ready to fire everyone. Maybe we should start culling through the fans using the Iron Maiden as testing equipment to see who is loyal to Clemson and who among us is more concerned with their ego than our team.
It's times like this when I miss RevDodd®.
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Who has suggested to fire everyone?
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Jan 1, 2023, 10:00 PM
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This overly dramatic portrayal of people who disagree with Dabo is not supported by facts.
It’s a straw man argument.
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Wondering if I look back at this comment....
Jan 1, 2023, 8:49 PM
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...in 3 years and mistake your sarcasm for being omniscient.
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Dynasty Maker [3301]
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Nope. Spiller is OK.***
Jan 1, 2023, 10:02 PM
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Re: From what I read, all we need is
Jan 2, 2023, 3:15 PM
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We need a sanity exam from everyone who posts on TNET...it's TNET not TNUT...I really have no idea where some of the idiots get the idea to dump Dabo....we'll go back to being a loser like North Carolina or Nancy state...Get a life!
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Freshman [-94]
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The ONLY coach on the O with any college coaching experience
Jan 2, 2023, 3:57 PM
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Is Streeter at Liberty and Richmond.
You think you are being cute but clearly you are ignorant as to just how pathetic this coaching staff is. Not 1 coach on offense and only 1 or 2 on defense would be hired by another top 20 program. That is NOT an opinion but a fact!
Other than the DL we do not have a coach that has any real experience outside of Clemson or that has any ability to develop players.
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Game Day Hero [4174]
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Re: From what I read, all we need is
Jan 2, 2023, 6:58 PM
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And, we need to bring in 80 from the transfer portal.
That works so well for Brad!
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Tiger Spirit [9712]
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I thought all we need is
Jan 3, 2023, 11:37 AM
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love? Love, love, love. All together now - all you need is love! Everybody!
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