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MSM/Liberal BS narrative:
Feb 25, 2022, 6:27 PM
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The narrative that Republicans support Putin, enabled him, and therefore blood is on their hands.
What total BS.
Conservatives see Putin and see a strong leader, building a strong military, and holding to traditional Western values. Yes, there is something to be admired there, especially when compared to the soft, woke, amoral beliefs and practices of our Left. That's why you saw memes and videos posted by people like Ted Cruz showing the Russian military vs. ours. See below.
But to say the Right enabled Putin and that they are somehow to blame for his aggression in Ukraine is complete BS.
The fact is, while I don't want DJT to ever see office again, the Ukraine invasion would never have happened if Trump was still in office. This is an attempt by the Left to distract people from Biden's utter failure in all aspects of foreign policy.
https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/culture/ted-cruz-shares-video-comparing-us-and-russian-military-recruitment-adverts-vd825258f
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Of course it is. They are just trying to deflect on
Feb 25, 2022, 6:29 PM
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The total incompetence of Biden and his admin. I literally and mean literally know not one conservative that likes or supports Putin or the invasion.
Not 1 at all.
Their President is a royal #### up and they are trying to change the subject
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Re: Of course it is. They are just trying to deflect on
Feb 25, 2022, 9:25 PM
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I think this is a non issue. I don’t hear many lefties saying that conservatives support Putin.
The only thing close to that is if a leftie references the one isolated incident when Trump said that Putin was a genius and savvy. I think sensible people don’t read into that, they just take it for what it is and move on. Most sensible people, left and right, realize that trumps comments are a non-issue, he’s becoming pretty irrelevant. His opinion of Putin, Ukraine and foreign affairs is just irrelevant.
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This is what I've seen repeated by the right...
Feb 25, 2022, 6:51 PM
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"Conservatives see Putin and see a strong leader, building a strong military, and holding to traditional Western values. Yes, there is something to be admired there, especially when compared to the soft, woke, amoral beliefs and practices of our Left."
The fact you guys can't see the issue with doing that is shocking to me.
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we see what the pussification of our country is doing to us***
Feb 25, 2022, 6:55 PM
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Yep, lots to admire there.
Feb 25, 2022, 7:00 PM
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What about all of the good things Hitler did?
Feb 25, 2022, 7:06 PM
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These people are crazy.
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It's the lack of shame that really is impressive.***
Feb 25, 2022, 7:09 PM
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It sheds good light how people like APM adored Trump
Feb 27, 2022, 2:25 PM
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Deep down, they crave and desire a strong man dictator because they foolishly think he'll force their ideology on the populous.
History shows fools like this never realize they're going to be oppressed as well until it's too late.
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Re: this is how brutal the Russians are:
Feb 27, 2022, 2:58 PM
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Very scary if you are a snowflake wussie progressive. Run to your safe spaces, RUN!
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I don't think I can help you see the point, so I'll stop
Feb 25, 2022, 7:04 PM
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trying.
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you never attempted, so there's nothing to stop.***
Feb 25, 2022, 7:05 PM
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...and yet we're still buying Russian oil because we shut
Feb 25, 2022, 6:57 PM
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down our own, all in the name of fighting global warming.
I wonder how well that trade-off will work if someone sets off a nuclear device?
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liberals are effing stupid***
Feb 25, 2022, 7:05 PM
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He didn't applaud. He said acting in the face of worthless
Feb 25, 2022, 7:09 PM
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sanctions was a smart move.
"Smart" does not mean "good".
What Trump was saying in his Trumpian way is, "Biden is a pu$$y, so of course Putin is going to act. Why wouldn't he?"
Interestingly, it's private companies that are acting with more conviction than Western governments - the Champions League, F1, FC Schalke, Man United, etc.
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Re: He didn't applaud. He said acting in the face of worthless
Feb 26, 2022, 5:57 AM
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Bullsyatt, Trump was WRONG again with what he has said and he repeated it at CPAC. Here is what a proper CONSERVATIVE former President would say:
"Russia’s attack on Ukraine constitutes the gravest security crisis on the European continent since World War II. I join the international community in condemning Vladimir Putin’s unprovoked and unjustified invasion of Ukraine. The American government and people must stand in solidarity with Ukraine and the Ukrainian people as they seek freedom and the right to choose their own future. We cannot tolerate the authoritarian bullying and danger that Putin poses. Ukraine is our friend and democratic ally and deserves our full support during this most difficult time." - George W. Bush
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I'd love for one of them to explain what Trump would do
Feb 25, 2022, 7:09 PM
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to prevent Putin from invading that they're all so sure would have happened. Because the only argument I've seen that has any evidence for is that Trump would have pulled the US out of NATO which hopefully even Trumpers can understand would be a huge mistake. But I genuinely would like to understand more about how they came to the conclusion that Trump would have avoided Putin invading Ukraine.
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what would Joe do?***
Feb 25, 2022, 7:14 PM
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You know all those times Trump threatened
Feb 25, 2022, 7:37 PM
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NK and China and you all cried trump.was.gonna.dtart.ww3?
Ya, he showed they don't know what he'll do so don't start ####. He showed strength
Biden showed, bend me over and f me up the ###
Oh and, war games with Ukraine at Ukraine would've given at least some semblance of we're not playin here.
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Where's the evidence for any of that?
Feb 25, 2022, 8:00 PM
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Are NK or China weaker now? If so, what did Trump do to cause that?
How did Trump show strength? On multiple occasions, he bent over to accommodate Kim Jong-un and Putin (one report says that Trump even was waiting to take us out of NATO had he won a second term. Where is the strength in that?)
The "unexpected" quality of Trump's actions was that he was accommodating not that he pushed back at them.
What would War Games accomplish if there is never any intention to stay as (hopefully) most assume would happen even under Trump? Seems like that would have also inflamed/escalated the situation with Russia and given them an argument of "The West is provoking us into this" which we were trying to avoid. Seems like a bad idea to me, but maybe there's an argument you can make in support. I'd like to hear it if you have one.
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The evidence is, they didn't do ####
Feb 25, 2022, 8:58 PM
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During his term. NK went from a country threatening war all the time, to going into quiet mode
Oh and nothing happened at all until sleepy came in office. Which also happened last time he was in the WH.
Perception is reality. These countries know Biden will just bend over. If you don't understand that, then you are a lost cause.
The whole world knows the US is way weaker than a yr ago. If you want to argue that, then I'm wasting time
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I don't necessarily want to argue the US is weaker...
Feb 25, 2022, 9:08 PM
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Pandemic and inflation certainly are evidence to support that idea. Although, the reasons for those things and how they've affected the whole world begs to be part of the conversation. But something tells me, you don't want to have that conversation. That's fine. Seeing the quality of discussion going on in this thread doesn't make me really want to continue and I'm ready to tap out.
But, I'll just leave you with this idea. Another way to look at why Putin is doing what he's doing is that suddenly after four years he's scared of a possibly strengthening NATO and a stabilizing leadership in the West which he didn't have to deal with the previous four years. Just something to think about.
One little thing to add about your NK point: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_North_Korean_missile_tests
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Re: Yep.
Feb 26, 2022, 5:51 AM
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Prime example of how the anti-woke folk are becoming WOKE, cancel culture puzzies themselves. Hypocrite!
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Nice try
Feb 27, 2022, 2:27 PM
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Trump once stood beside Putin and said he trusted him more than our own intelligence agencies.
Y'all are foolish to think he would do anything to stop this.
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Re: This is what I've seen repeated by the right...
Feb 25, 2022, 8:30 PM
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What ignorance you espouse deweather.
Winston Churchill, Bernard Montgomery, Dwight Eisenhower, Omar Bradley, and George Patton (among what you might believe to be supporters of dictatorial regimes [in this example the Nazis] that engage in military aggression) admired the military brilliance of German general Erwin Rommel. That didn't mean that the aforementioned great leaders were 'soft' or 'sympathetic' with Rommel. They all did their best, in their respective rols, to crush Rommel.
Expressing the mental agility and patience of V.Putin to be ready to carry out his aggressive / acquisitive plans while waiting for his rivals to be weak ... which is what objective viewers of the current situation are doing ... does not mean that their objective observations reflect a 'love' of Putin.
NOTE: I am not suggesting that you are an ignorant person. It is just this statement of yours which is ignorant.
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Re: This is what I've seen repeated by the right...
Feb 25, 2022, 8:41 PM
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You might be the most gullible cat on here, glad you’re not in charge, at least I hope u don’t hold office.
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The comment was from ATLPawman, not me.
Feb 25, 2022, 8:44 PM
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Quick question for your historical analogy, what would you say to those Americans living during WWII that said Hitler/Rommel were strong leaders with strong western values that they admired and then criticize FDR/Eisenhower for being soft, with amoral beliefs?
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Re: The comment was from ATLPawman, not me.
Feb 26, 2022, 8:16 PM
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Your follow up question adds a misleading component to the analogy which I had provided.
Americans living during WWII who were aware of the TECHNICAL and OPERATIONAL brilliance of Rommel never (to my knowledge) that Rommel also embodied western values.
Assuming that the vast majority of the American public got any news reports OTHER than that all Germans were bad and that USA's leaders ... leading the fight against the Germans ... were good.
(You know that the American public during WWII ... and this OK ... got the monolithic perspective from the American media ... again ... that all Germans = Bad and all American leaders = Good.)
Since the comment about Putin was NOT whether he embodied peace and good will towards man, but that he has displayed superior performance from the technical and operational perspectives, then your follow up question is meant to be manipulative, rather than to promote a broader perspective.
Of course, Putin's values (as on display through launching a war ... and worse an undeclared war) are deranged.
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There is nothing ignorant about what he said
Feb 27, 2022, 2:39 PM
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That you continue to justify APM's comments, "Conservatives see Putin and see a strong leader, building a strong military, and holding to traditional Western values. Yes, there is something to be admired there, especially when compared to the soft, woke, amoral beliefs and practices of our Left," reflects your own ignorance.
That statement above is exceptionally stupid, ignorant, and frankly, un-American.
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I don't think invading other countries for conquest and a
Feb 25, 2022, 7:09 PM
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blatant power grab, murdering thousands of innocent people in the process equals "holding traditional western values". I sure hope not. It's the opposite of traditional western values. Putin is a straight up POS and there is nothing admirable about him. Is he smart, slick, extremely effective at getting his way? Sure, but if I pooped in a sack until it weighed 170 lbs, I'd have a sack more admirable than Vladimir Putin.
I pretty much agree with everything else you say. I certainly detest childish, anti-American, anti-freedom Woke ideology, and I too doubt that Putin would be acting up if Trump were still in office, and to blame him or republicans in any way for what is happening now is laughable, and the result of a complete inability to understand or face reality.
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He's heterosexual and supports the Orthodox Church.
Feb 25, 2022, 7:15 PM
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Those are more traditional values than what many on the Left hold to.
But of course I agree wanton murder is not a traditional value.
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Re: He's heterosexual and supports the Orthodox Church.
Feb 25, 2022, 7:57 PM
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But of course I agree wanton murder is not a traditional value.
Of course - so nothing else really matters. HE is not praiseworthy or admirable; hetrosexuality and the orthodox church can be admired and supported without mentioning Putin - and should be. I'd take a peaceful gay atheist over Putin any day anyway. Are we really debating this?
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Dear Lawd
Feb 27, 2022, 2:23 PM
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He's heterosexual? So are most people. Hitler was heterosexual. Did you admire him?
He doesn't embrace any "traditional Western values" and he sure as #### isn't a Christian. Putin has persecuted the hell out of LGBT people in his nation. Do you admire that?
If you're smart, you delete this thread.
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Liberals have gone off the deep end with their cheerleading
Feb 25, 2022, 7:13 PM
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for "Democracy" in Ukraine, forgetting that the state department under Obama overthrew their government and installed a puppet regime. Literally every take any Democrat or sh*tlib has on this is completely insane.
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Re: Liberals have gone off the deep end with their cheerleading
Feb 25, 2022, 8:50 PM
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deweather and Chuckston T-Man have gone off on another Laurel and Hardy political commentary comedy routine. Diversion from important matters such as the Russian invasion of the Ukraine or Biden's record speed at triggering big time inflation. In other words, diversion from serious topics which are best discussed by adults.
Clearly, these guys are intending to entertain us.
But the 'everything that Pedo Joe fire-trucks up is Bad Orange Man's fault' routine is getting really stale. Let's hope that they come up with some new material.
Here's a little free-of-charge help for them ... Hildebeast classics: (1) 'I was under sniper fire when in Bosnia' or (2) Hildebeast's pre-recorded 'I won the election and now watch me cry as I reminisce about my girlhood ambition to be the first woman president' routine. Truly hilarious when this contrived / pre-recorded video got buried after Hildebeast lost the 2016 prez election.
deweather and Chuckston T-Man would KILL IT if they tried either of these routines. We can only hope.
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Re: MSM/Liberal BS narrative:
Feb 25, 2022, 9:19 PM
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ATL Paw Man, I’m not left. I’m not right. I’m an American that looks to policy without being a blind sheep for either party. I do not live in a binary world. I do not live in a zero sum world as almost all dems and GOP do.
I do not believe the right enabled Putin. That’s giving the right way too much credit. Putin doesn’t care about the American right or left or trump. With respect to the US he only cares about dividing us. Period.
But if I understand you correctly, you say ……
“Conservatives see Putin and see a strong leader, building a strong military, and holding to traditional Western values.
That is entirely insulting to conservatives. Look up the definition of the word “leader”. Putin is not a leader. He bribes, blackmails, jails, threatens, bullies, kills, poisons his path to secure and maintain power. He is a dictator. Not a leader. Never has been.
True leaders cause and inspire others to act, often on their own initiative. They set the stage. They provide direction and productive boundaries. They don’t need to deploy violence to cause others to act. They are strong enough to empower others.
Nothing Putin does resembles leadership. In reality he’s weak, and this is why he bribes, blackmails, jails, threatens, bullies, kills, poisons.
Contrast this with the American founding fathers. They were leaders because they gave power to the people. They did not need to bribe, blackmail, jail, threaten, kill and poison Americans. They structured a system that provided some boundaries, but perhaps most importantly empowered the people.
With this in mind, I would love to hear from you how Putin holds to traditional western values.
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Re: MSM/Liberal BS narrative:
Feb 26, 2022, 12:37 AM
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Crickets in the paw mans playpen. Maybe it’s past his bed time.
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Re: MSM/Liberal BS narrative:
Feb 26, 2022, 6:07 AM
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Yep, APM has gone off the rails lately. Went from perfectly rational to total radical in about 2 weeks. #### scary! Putting Putin and western values in the same sentence, WOW. Every action Putin has taken for over 20 years was meant to undermine western values, just like this war.
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It's nothing new
Feb 25, 2022, 10:30 PM
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Conservatives supported Hitler too. Look it up.
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Re: It's not new: Liberals supported Stalin (prior to WW II)
Feb 26, 2022, 8:51 PM
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Darn right, there were many ignorant 'conservatives' who viewed Nazi Germany's economic resurgence under Hitler ... following Germany's terrible depression of the late-1920's ... as being admirable. There were (and still are) anti-Jewish people in the USA; many of those reprobates back in the 1930's were aware of Hitler's terrible treatment of the Jews, but nonetheless lauded Hitler's leadership of Germany's perceived economic resurgence as being 'for the greater good' and therefore embraced the psychopathic justification of stealing from Jews and destroying their property.
... just like there were many ignorant USA 'liberals' (led by the NY Times) who lauded Stalin and his success in industrializing the Soviet Union as proof of the brilliance of the Communist way. Then, as now, the American liberals worshipped at the alter of the opinions and 'news' from the NY Times.
Of course, NY Times 'journalist' Walter Duranty ... the NYT's Moscow bureau chief who won a Pulitzer Prize for his chronicles about Stalin's economic brilliance ... ignored Stalin's economic policies which led to mass starvation in the late 1920's.
Of course you remember the following, AustinPounders®, but for everyone else's convenience I'll post a review.
Stalin's first 5 year plan led to the starvation of ~ 6 million to ~ 7 million citizens of the Soviet Union. The Holodomor itself resulted in the death of ~ 3 million to ~ 4 million Ukranians due to Stalin's collectivization of agriculture.
But to get back to your original assertion, I agree ... yes indeed there were USA conservatives that admired Hitler prior to WW II.
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Admired and financially supported
Feb 27, 2022, 1:53 PM
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Henry Ford’s money was essential. The Walker/Bush family assets were frozen over violations of the Trading with the Enemy Act after Pearl.
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Re: MSM/Liberal BS narrative:
Feb 26, 2022, 8:35 PM
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The truth is, Trump did support him and would have now. The truth is, the Dems are worried about issues that don't natter is the scheme of the world. The fact is, it wouldn't have mattered who was was president.
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Re: MSM/Liberal BS narrative:
Feb 27, 2022, 3:04 PM
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Where were you after Biden said time after time that Trump was killing people because he wasn't doing the right things to fight COVID?
The troof is, it would have been the same no matter what president was there. You see, people who are truly objective can say it then and say it now. I don't blame Trump for 400k dead and don't blame Biden for 500k+ dead.
But I will rub it in liberal's faces forever because they are the ones on their high horses believing candidate Biden that he could have shut the virus down.
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Re: MSM/Liberal BS narrative:
Feb 27, 2022, 2:09 PM
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Listen moron..Trump did and so did Tucker Carlson. It is their own words.
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There is nothing to admire about Putin
Feb 27, 2022, 2:18 PM
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He's as evil of a dictator as any in history. You--and anyone who TU this awful post--should be embarrassed for stating that you admire him.
Yes, we get it. Y'all admire corrupt dictators and authoritarians.
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Re: MSM/Liberal BS narrative:
Feb 27, 2022, 2:24 PM
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I don't know when you got red-pilled, man, but the narrative that "this never would have happened if Trump were in office" is something that makes me shake my head so hard I feel like I'm going to get whiplash. Trump was busily breaking NATO, and I'm 100% convinced it's inevitably going to come out it was at Putin's behest.
Putin owned Trump, period. Anybody who can't see that is blind. Trump literally crawled around Putin, including bowing down to him in that infamous Helsinki meeting nobody who witnessed it can ever forget.
Start with the fact that Trump owes $1.3 billion dollars in personally guaranteed loans to Russian oligarchs, fronted through Deutsche Bank...all due in the next four years. That level of debt alone would DQ anyone who wasn't a president from ever receiving a security clearance because it's the definition of "irretrievably compromised." Then there's the fact that the Kremlin Papers leak also indicated Putin did indeed have kompramat on Trump as well...despite the constant "Russian hoax" narrative sold by Fox News.
They owned him. Period. They weren't even being subtle about it. And Trump was going to stop Putin from doing whatever he wanted how again?
He'd have been on Russia's side.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/15/kremlin-papers-appear-to-show-putins-plot-to-put-trump-in-white-house
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All-In [42440]
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Re: MSM/Liberal BS narrative:
Feb 27, 2022, 2:31 PM
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They're so in love with the man that they refuse to believe any of this. The lack of critical thinking is astounding.
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