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Most frustrating basketball player?
Mar 25, 2013, 4:25 PM
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What is your most frustrating player for Clemson basketball in the last 10 years? Mine is Raymond Sykes. Dude was always looking around like he didn't know what was going on. Drove me CRAZY.
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In my lifetime, Milton Jennings, no contest
Mar 25, 2013, 4:28 PM
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the bone headed turnovers, streaky shooting, lack of physicality, being out of position on D, off the court issues and the hype he had coming in. No one else even remotely close
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Without a doubt this^^^^***
Mar 25, 2013, 5:36 PM
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You must be awfully young then...
Mar 25, 2013, 8:51 PM
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I have a long list of disappointing players on and off the court, but Milt is middle of the pack.
My No. 1 would have to be Michael Brown - McDonalds All-American who never finished his D1 eligibility much less ever graduated from a college. To my knowledge, he never played in the CBA or in Europe.
Most of our McD's AAs have been disappointments, and you have to include Jennings in that, but Milt has contributed to Clemson basketball in ways that Clarke Bynum and Ricky Jones could only imagine.
I know (or in the case of Bynum, knew) all four of these guys. Bynum, Jones and Jennings are/were good people. Brown? Not at all.
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Following for 40 years
Mar 25, 2013, 8:57 PM
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none of those guys were suspended multiple times like Milt. Didn't make the mental errors. Bynum just wasn't athletic enough and Ricky got hurt and never had the refinement in his game. Played AA ball in SC, no coaching, especially back in the 80's. Milt had skills. Was never a great athlete but it was the brain farts that drove me nuts with him. those other guys were model citizens and just didn't live up to the hype
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Michael Brown made Skip Wise look like a choirboy.
Mar 25, 2013, 9:17 PM
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There weren't many "model citizens" on Cliff Ellis teams but gangsters like Michael Brown (and others) made party guys like Ricky Jones, Elden Campbell and Jerry Pryor look like angels. If Cliff Ellis had suspended every one of his players that smoked weed, there would've been times he would have had to forfeit games. You couldn't get Cliff to suspend anyone for anything less than a felony. But, the shady little redneck won games, I'll give him that.
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Cliff kicked Brown off the team didn't he?
Mar 25, 2013, 9:26 PM
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David Young and Sean Tyson as well. Cliff was no disciplinarian by any means but he did make the move when it had to be made. College athletics as a whole was the wild west in the 80's
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Brown caught a felony charge, and Tyson
Mar 25, 2013, 9:31 PM
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and Michael Best were part of his entourage. I liked Tyson though - he was fundamentally a decent guy. But, all those DC / Baltimore guys back in the 80s were rough. Even Grayson Marshall came in looking for trouble, but unlike all those other guys - he grew up.
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Have we had a DC guy since Devin Gray?
Mar 25, 2013, 9:38 PM
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trying to recall one. I guess Sharrod Ford was from that area, but we haven't had many
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Well, Jerai Grant - but it's hard to be a gangster when
Mar 25, 2013, 9:43 PM
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your Dad is a really nice guy from North Georgia who played in the league.... Bottom line: Oliver Purnell and Brad Brownell recruit much, much more high-character kids than Cliff Ellis did. You can blame it on the 80s, but to my knowledge Cliff was at his dirtiest at South Alabama but isn't exactly a saint at Coastal...
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Legend [19711]
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He pushes the envelope, no doubt
Mar 25, 2013, 9:57 PM
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no way half those kids even get in school today though
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Tom Wideman
Mar 25, 2013, 4:34 PM
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I just refuse to recognize that anyone is worse than him in the last 2 years.
Super nice guy, but God forgot to give him fingers.
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Maybe, but he set a mean pick***
Mar 25, 2013, 4:40 PM
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David Potter***
Mar 25, 2013, 4:41 PM
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Milt, both Bookers and
Mar 25, 2013, 4:48 PM
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Elden Campbell.
Milt just played like a true freshman his entire career but I think that he just reached his ceiling.
The Booker brothers, along with Elden, just infuriate me with the abundance of talent and lack of effort. Elden has/had Tim Duncan's talent and look at the difference in careers. The Bookers penchant for indifference made me yell at the TV way too often.
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I'm gonna go old school here with the Jones boys
Mar 25, 2013, 4:57 PM
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Ricky and Raymond Jones. Ricky and Raymond were both what amounted to 4 or 5 star recruits. Ricky was supposed to be a Jordan/Lenny Bias type and Raymond Jones was supposed to be the answer in the post. Ricky's conditioning suffered and he turned out to be a tweener no inside game/no outside game. Raymond could not stay out of foul trouble and was wildly inconsistent. Other would include Tony Stockman and Terrence
Ogelsby just because they had some swagger about them and then we let them get away. Both of them reminded me a lot of the Marshall Henderson kid from Ole Mi$$
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Legend [19711]
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Raymond Jones only stood 6'6, so that was part of his
Mar 25, 2013, 5:00 PM
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problem. We listed him at 6'8(same for Ray Henderson). Ricky was just over hyped coming from small town SC basketball where he really got no development. The injuries didn't help either
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The microcosm that is Clemson BB: Skip Wise
Mar 25, 2013, 5:07 PM
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This guy was a once in a lifetime franchise player. By most accounts he was better than Phil Ford and John Lucas who were the gold standard of ACC point guards. After one miraculous season, the hustle of the Baltimore streets and drugs robbed us of a player who would have no doubt went down as the best player ever at a time when kids generally stayed all 4 years. It's not an overstatement to say this kid could have totally changed the culture by other kids wanting to follow him. Look at what CJ did for football.
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Only thing I'd argue is that sense we cheated
Mar 25, 2013, 5:19 PM
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to get guys like him, Tree and Stan Rome, no one would have seen him play. No TV and no tourney's(NCAA or NIT). he was the best I've ever seen at Clemson though. i was just a kid but I remember his 37 against Penn in the second game of his career
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Re: Most frustrating basketball player?
Mar 25, 2013, 7:13 PM
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Raymond Sykes? I thought he was great for the Clemson system back then. He was quick, long limbed and a great rebounder. He didn't shoot very much and when he did, it was usually a layup or dunk in transition. I can see being frustrated with Potter and Jennings and some of the others that have been mentioned.
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Re: Most frustrating basketball player?
Mar 25, 2013, 9:13 PM
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I wish I could think of the guys name that declared that he was "going to make CLEMSON the UCLA of the East" that I had a class with (when he showed up). I think it was Greg something. Maybe 68-69. He was a dork and couldn't play bball worth a crap. He was tall - but that's about it.
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Wikipedia should have an article on this topic!
Mar 25, 2013, 9:25 PM
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Presently, Milt the Wilt and Booker the Looker
Recently, David Potter & Terrence Oglesby
Formerly, Chris Hobbs & Olu Babalolu
Historically, Anthony Jenkins & Sean Tyson (watched Tate George catch/shoot in 1990)
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What would you had Sean Tyson do? D up on him from
Mar 25, 2013, 9:34 PM
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3/4 court and risk putting George on the line? Tyson and Jenkins had issues off the court and never lived up to expectations on the court. But, they weren't McD's AAs like Brown, Jones and Bynum.
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Milt and Olu Babalola.***
Mar 25, 2013, 10:06 PM
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Pasha Bains
Mar 25, 2013, 10:35 PM
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has that his name?
omg he was awful
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