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Missed tackles
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Dec 10, 2024, 11:33 AM
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I have seen missed tackles by every team I have watched play this year. It is a trend! My question is this due to not being as physical in practice or players worried about being flagged for targeting?
Are they being coached differently in response to targeting? Does anyone really know what targeting is? It always seems to change! The penalty should be a 15 yard penalty not ejection from the game! JMO
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I think its the lack of live practice
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Dec 10, 2024, 11:43 AM
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There isn’t anything that can really simulate making a tackle
The NCAA continually reduces the amount of time a team can practice and I think that’s the biggest reason that tackling has been so poor across the board
The horribly defined and enforced targeting rules don’t help
But a good tackle in space stresses leverage from the outside, low center of gravity that, wraps the carrier up, and takes the opponent’s legs from them.
I see too many guys that lose leverage, hit the ball carrier well above the waste, and try wrap their arms around the opponent’s upper body
Generally speaking, a textbook tackle should not put the defender in position for helmet to helmet contact. They still may have leading with the helmet, but it doesn’t seem like that’s ever called unless it’s a qb or it’s helmet to helmet
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Re: Missed tackles
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Dec 10, 2024, 11:43 AM
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Teach and preach the proper way to tackle. And it ain't by leading with the helmet to the head of the intended victim. Sporting events should not be about playing the game to injure opposing players.
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Re: Missed tackles
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Dec 10, 2024, 11:49 AM
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All of the above. Plus, too much trying to tackle the ball and not the ball carrier.
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Re: Missed tackles
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Dec 10, 2024, 11:51 AM
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Technique at this level is everything. I've witnessed a lot of really bad technique this year---some of the worst I've seen since the Reggie Herring days.
That's on the coaches.
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Re: Missed tackles
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Dec 10, 2024, 12:00 PM
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Rugby tackles technique is all about footwork and body position. I cringe when a player runs through our defense... of course, it's not just us. Too high, feet too far away, not splitting the ball carrier with your tackle shoulder side foot, not wrapping, not pulling the player to your chest after wrapping, not trying to get a single leg and lifting... oh how I wish they'd give the Clemson Rugby coach a day with the defense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odsFScIHu9w
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Rugby tackling and football tacking are two totally different things
Dec 10, 2024, 2:08 PM
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The rules dictate the tackling form
In rugby the ball is still live, so the defender wants to pull the ball carrier to defensive side of the ruck
In rugby, if you can pull a guy down a yard closer to you side of the ruck, it’s to your advantage
In football, every inch of ground is important
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Re: Rugby tackling and football tacking are two totally different things
Dec 10, 2024, 3:58 PM
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Yes, but... watch the video, rugby tackling has emphasized winning at the point of contact for many years now. The video I attached doesn't mention pulling the player to the defenders side, just the opposite in fact. You win the point of contact by adjusting your position on the field to not be squared up, but slightly on the inside (or outside shoulder), getting low, placing the foot on the same side as your shoulder you will make contact with, making contact between the waist and the lower thigh, head up and behind the ball carrier, using the front of your should not the top (collar bones are delicate things), wrapping, pulling what you wrap violently to your chest and driving upwards.
The video shows that you can take and make a hard tackle without pads. Pads lessen the penalty for poor body position. You can't hit a player with the top of your pads and wrap him up.
Football is not rugby but professional football coaches and professional rugby coaches have traded tips back and forth to the advantage of both sports.
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Re: Missed tackles
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Dec 10, 2024, 11:55 AM
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this is a post I could write. I share these same views
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When I played youth and high school football in the mid/late 70's
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Dec 10, 2024, 12:07 PM
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And high school coach was 1st team All-American Tom Henderson, from Hampton High School, then DE at Southern Miss with Fred Cook, the coaches taught defenders to hit the ball carrier in the belly button, wrap up, and drive through the runner as if he was actually one or two feet behind his actual body position.
As an outside LB and weak side DE in my youth, to this day, I've rarely seen a RB/WR/QB/TE ball carrier not lower his helmet into a spearing position before contact. This seems acceptable as it is not called. These days a defender is expected to gingerly tackle a ball carrier in a spearing position at the goal line without hitting him hard or giving up a foot or two. Hard to do. And I've never seen a runner or tackler arrive to make a hit with his head behind his shoulders - I'm unsure this tackling position is physically possible.
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Yeah, leading with the helmet (spearing) is inherently
Dec 10, 2024, 12:45 PM
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dangerous for both players - even without helmet to helmet contact. Just Google “ Marc Buoniconti” to see how quickly a spearing tackle can change your life. I was living in Charleston in 1985 when Marc, son of Dolphins LB Nick, a LB for The Citadel made a spearing tackle that left him paralyzed. Tragic and that is what targeting is trying, not 100% successfully, to prevent.
In my youth we were taught “stick your helmet in their gut” and drive through! Also, it was a good thing if you tackled your opponent hard enough to “ring his bell!” Fortunately both are no longer acceptable. And that’s for the good of the sport.
GO TIGERS!
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Re: Missed tackles
Dec 10, 2024, 1:07 PM
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I have seen missed tackles by every team I have watched play this year. It is a trend! My question is this due to not being as physical in practice or players worried about being flagged for targeting?
Are they being coached differently in response to targeting? Does anyone really know what targeting is? It always seems to change! The penalty should be a 15 yard penalty not ejection from the game! JMO
Missed tackles - all year!!!!
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Re: Missed tackles
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Dec 10, 2024, 2:43 PM
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In the late 90's / 2000's we were taught to keep head up and put facemask on the ball, wrap up, and drive through the ball carrier. A lot of players still dropped their head back then. It is/was really hard not to do in some situations despite the risk.
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