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Dabo offense Vs. Garret Riley offense
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I wanted to wait until I saw it happen 2 games in a row but I think it’s obvious now that dabo has let Garret have full reign of the offense and I don’t think dabo has much influence at all on the playcalling right now. I don’t think dabo has had a play sheet on the sidelines the last 2 games and this looks a lot more like the explosive tcu offense under Garret Riley. It’s enough to make a grown man cry about the turnaround of executing downfield throws and our offense being set up to succeed because the talent really wasn’t ever an issue it was the vanilla playcalling on offense and a little bit of development issues but this is just awesome to see and I can’t wait for the rest of the season. All aboard the Garret Riley train!
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Re: Dabo offense Vs. Garret Riley offense
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night vs day.***
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The narrative that Dabo's influence is why our O was bad is fan fiction.
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There's simply no evidence to it and fans are just struggling for an explanation and this one makes sense to them.
To be clear, I don't know why we've had such struggles over the past few years. For all I know, Dabo Swinney fired a Clemson alumnus so that he could hire...not just some bum off the street so that Dabo could be in charge of the offense...but the Offensive Coordinator of the Year to come in and not call plays for the offense and let his reputation take a massive hit when he could have gone anywhere in the country. Maybe that's what happened. Again...David Hood asked three coaches on staff who called the plays against UGA, and they all said it was 100% Riley...but who knows. Maybe they're all lying and fans on Tigernet have figured it out. I dunno.
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Re: The narrative that Dabo's influence is why our O was bad is fan fiction.
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It's a narrative that allows them to reframe an unhappy reality from game 1.
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As I said, 3 separate people told Hood that Riley called the entire UGA game.
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Sep 25, 2024, 9:11 PM
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Per David’s Twitter:
https://x.com/MDavidHood/status/1830374350521864575
I take that, and I add the rationale that the OC of the year wouldn’t let an entire season like last year happen because he wasn’t allowed to call his own plays. He went from being the toast of the sport to a head scratcher. The idea that Dabo would consistently interfere with an OC who took TCU to the playoffs, but let a high school coach do what he wanted…if that’s the hill you want to die on, you do you. And I’m open minded. If you want to make a case beyond, “well, SOMETHING CHANGED! HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN IT!?!”, please be my guest.
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Re: There is evidence to the contrary as has been posted in this thread multiple
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I think most people just don't know ball. They cant' tell the difference between a process and an output when it comes to football. They see similar outputs, such as a low score (i.e. UGA) or they see similar passing charts between 2023 Cade and 2022 DJ, and assume the offensive play-calling (or the process in this case) is the same as previous years. So they conclude that because Dabo has been around through it all, he is the root cause.
Schematically, the offense since Riley arrived is run differently than the previous regime, (at least as different as a spread and air raid system can be). Formations changed and philosophies are different (i.e. counter heavy as opposed to zone heavy). Zoom out to the all-22 of the UGA game, the App State game, or the NC State game... you'll see that the route concepts are the same. The difference is that Cade has been electric in the last two games.
But we see Cade throw the ball to the receivers, assume he threw to where the play was designed to go (even though we saw this same guy call his own number multiple times last year with horrific consequences), so we wind up with the "low score like last year, so that mean Dabo call play. Score high, that mean Riley call play because 2022 TCU" take.
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Re: The narrative that Dabo's influence is why our O was bad is fan fiction.
Sep 26, 2024, 6:05 PM
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When you put 2 and 2 together, I suspect you get 3.
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Re: The narrative that Dabo's influence is why our O was bad is fan fiction.
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Fans are struggling to get their head out of their "ss...fans did not understand why KB & DJU were disasters to the offensive juggernaut we had established? What are you going to tell them Doris...good luck in establishing an offense suited for DJU...Pearman will do fine in a CM offense...Brees certainly did!
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Can't we just be happy the offense is playing well?***
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Maybe he switched to a Defensive play sheet***
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Re: Maybe he switched to a Defensive play sheet***
Sep 25, 2024, 5:11 PM
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The defense has been great the past two weeks. points done come about until we let our bench empty for game experience
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This is such a ridiculous baseless conspiracy theory.***
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Re: Dabo offense Vs. Garret Riley offense
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Well, you saw how well TCU did against Georgia a couple of years ago. Going wide open against a team as good as Georgia might just result in bad things happening. Dabo and Garrett had a game plan against Georgia that was designed to not beat ourselves but at the same time, our defense was not good enough to keep us in the game in the 2nd half.
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Re: Dabo offense Vs. Garret Riley offense
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Valley coot strikes again 🤣
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Cade had nothing to do with it, right?
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All of a sudden, just because Riley is calling the plays, Cade becomes Trevor, Mafah becomes CJ Spiller and our WR's include Sammy, Nuke and Renfro.
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You should consider the fact that Riley being given more control
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meant that our offensive players were put in better positions to succeed.
If you can’t accept that, then you’re saying that our players just magically got better in 1 week despite being not nearly as good for the last few years. LOL.
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Re: You should consider the fact that Riley being given more control
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Can you substantiate any of what you just said?
You did after all use the word FACT when describing Riley being given more control. We will be waiting for you to back up your statements.
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Re: You should consider the fact that Riley being given more control
Sep 25, 2024, 9:11 PM
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nope, the troll cannot. just flag it.
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What , was Cade playing on the defense in week one?
Sep 26, 2024, 3:51 AM
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Same team, same playbook, same plays same individuals.
Yes, the differences are that Cade turned the corner and I speculate that the freshmen WRs got a handle on the playbook so between those guys and Cade it looked like magic to the untrained eye.
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Re: Dabo offense Vs. Garret Riley offense
Sep 26, 2024, 12:52 PM
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That's exactly why Dabo said he saw very positive signs in that UGA game. "Receivers are giving up on routes, QB is throwing too low, etc. If we can clean things up, we can be explosive."
And that is all we are seeing, the result of cleaning things up.
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Will this conspiracy ever die? Lmao
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Sep 25, 2024, 3:15 PM
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It’s been debunked by multiple people in the know and yet, as soon as the offense struggles again we’ll see posts about how “Dabo is meddling again!”
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LOL it has never been debunked.
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All we have been told is that Elliott/Streeter/Riley call the plays.
Both Elliott and Streeter said that they call the plays with input from others.
What we don’t know is which plays they were told they can run. What restrictions were put on them?
Also, just because a play is called, it does NOT mean that play was ultimately run.
If Dabo hasn’t been heavily involved with the offense, why (until two games ago) did he have his laminated play sheet that he looked at often? Why could he be seen talking a lot between offensive plays?
If he truly let his OC run the offense without interference, why would he need to be so involved? Is Dabo that involved with the defense?
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Prove that you aren't a Coot troll.
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Sep 25, 2024, 9:26 PM
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Let's go. Debunk it.
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Re: LOL it has never been debunked.
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Gotta agree with judge Keller on this where is Dabos playsheet at it hasn’t been there the last 2 games it’s just obvious this offensive playcalling is completely different
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Re: LOL it has never been debunked.
Sep 26, 2024, 12:27 PM
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I saw Dabo go to the defensive huddle for a timeout during second half of the App St game and when Goodwin started walking toward the huddle Dabo pointed back to the sideline and it sure looked like he told Goodwin not to join that huddle. Looked like Dabo was chewing the 2nd and 3rd team defense hard. It seemed odd, but I guess he inserts his opinion on both sides of the ball when he thinks he needs to, which should be the head coach’s prerogative IMO.
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This is pure BS.
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Dabo trained both Jeff Scott and Tony Elliot and together they were as good at conducting an offense as any alive today. When Riley gets two national championships then get back to me.
Dabo is the man, he runs his program and everything that happens, happens with his approval. Dabo is the best coach Clemson has ever had and may be the best we'll ever have.
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Re: Dabo offense Vs. Garret Riley offense
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Wrong
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Re: Dabo offense Vs. Garret Riley offense
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What if Dabo secretly gave the play calling duties to someone else these last 2 games? Maybe Boulware had taken over both the offense and defense! He seems like he would call aggressive offense plays. Boulware might be whispering in Riley's ear before he calls every play.
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It's not a crazy conspiracy
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There are direct quotes and documentation that Dabo controlled the offensive play calling against SC last year.
I'm not saying he did it against Georgia or anyone else in particular, but he said himself that he wouldn't let Riley call pass plays against the chickens.
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Dictating an overall game plan and actively calling plays are two
Sep 26, 2024, 2:33 PM
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entirely different things. As Head Coach, Dabo is responsible for every facet of the program, including how you want the Offense to approach a game, and how you want your Offense to manage a game once it's underway. In the SCar game last year we were absolutely stonewalling them with our D and eating up clock with our O. After the tricky dicky debacle of the prior season's game, which we had no business losing if not for overplaying our hand like we did, he wanted to take no big chances knowing we could simply impose our will and beat them straight up. Result? W!
UGA has been discussed as well and it fits the same mold. That wasn't a do or die game for us by any measure. What I saw was a very basic gameplan on both sides, simple sets and very base formations from start to finish. It was almost like a spring game mentality - let's evaluate where we are as a base and get tons of film against perhaps the best competition out there today for everyone to see how much work they have ahead of them over the course of the season to grow to that level. Were we to meet again late season we're likely to be a very different team.
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because we've never seen 2 TDs first 2 drives before
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go back to watching Coot Football
this is the Clemson Standard and we now have elite positional players again
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um....
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Is there proof that Dabo was calling the offense? I'm sure he may have changed a play or two, maybe even helped with the game plan. But I can't recall any proof that he was actually calling the plays.
My honest opinion is that if we are winning I really don't care who is calling the plays.
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Re: um....
Sep 26, 2024, 2:26 AM
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Would love for someone to tell me where his play sheet has been the last 2 games it’s because he didn’t have one it’s obvious
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^^^scok^^^***
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Absolutely.
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Dabo clearly (finally!) got out of the way.
No more laminated play sheet for Dabo + less yakking on the headset = Dabo no longer meddling in the offense.
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Re: Absolutely.
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You were proven wrong by VizTiz just a few days ago. Like many of your trolling threads, it got zapped.
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I dont read viztizs posts so I didnt see it.
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I seriously doubt he proved me wrong though. LOL.
Also, my threads don’t get taken down by moderators. They get taken down when petulant children here don’t like what I have to say and flag them. When a post is flagged a certain number of times it is automatically removed.
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Re: I dont read viztizs posts so I didnt see it.
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He literally posted screen grabs of Dabo with the play sheet in both the UGA and App State games.
I didn’t say the mods zapped it, you did. I said it got zapped because you troll.
I will wait for your evidence that Dabo “no longer meddling”. You did use the word FACT after all
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Re: I dont read viztizs posts so I didnt see it.
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The thread was deleted. Threads are quarantined when a post is flagged enough times. When a thread is deleted the mods have chosen to do so.
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Right...underhand way to attack Dabo
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Riley is great but Dabo gives this program vision and direction. Development takes a while sometime. You would be better off just talking about how Riley is a positive influence on this offense than taking shots at Dabo. Pretty lame.
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JK couldnt resist this thread
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Re: JK couldnt resist this thread
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The secretaries passed on the notes from TNET - open up the offense and throw forward passes.
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you have ZERO insight as to what is happening
Sep 25, 2024, 4:38 PM
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You assume all three opponents/venues are equal. Yea, NO!
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it's pretty clear that Dabo gave the play calling to Riley right after
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the 5G COVID towers had signals dissipate into space due to the earth being flat and ricocheted off the bullet shrapnel from a presidential candidates ear and reflected off the hardware used to fake the moon landing and suppressed by climate change and microplastics.
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Re: Dabo offense Vs. Garret Riley offense
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Lmao you people that think this are idiots. There's no way in h3ll Riley would've come here to be a puppet. There are 3 reasons it looks better: 1) Matt Luke and the line play, 2) our receivers are healthier & we've added 2 great freshmen, 3) Cade is in his 2nd year and the game has slowed down for him.
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Re: Dabo offense Vs. Garret Riley offense
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What you are seeing right now is the Chad Morris offense that we all loved at Clemson...Dabo and Chad had it rolling, Riley was raised on this in Texas at SFA, SMU, TCU...Chad's finger prints are all over this one! It's not rocket science but looks like it in action! Come along for the ride!
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Re: Dabo offense Vs. Garret Riley offense
Sep 26, 2024, 8:02 AM
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All the same...based on Chad Morris template...Dabo brought him here...Riley trained under his followers @ SFA, TTech, SMU, TCU...remember a feller named Mahomes...same deal! KB and DJU were recruited for some other offense...in DJUs case no offense...but he is a good kid...like going on a blind date with a girl with a great personality!
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Sep 26, 2024, 12:43 PM
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This is the same Chad Morris offense we all admired at Clemson, when Dabo and Chad had everything clicking. Riley grew up with this system in Texas at SFA, SMU, and TCU, and you can see Chad's influence all over it! It may not be rocket science, but it sure looks like it in action. Hop on and enjoy the ride!
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Re: Dabo offense Vs. Garret Riley offense
Sep 26, 2024, 1:06 PM
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What a load of hockey pucks. Stick with ribbing the Judge.
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Re: Dabo offense Vs. Garret Riley offense
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I guess the most amazing thing is amount of influence Dabo has of the FSU offense this season.
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Re: Dabo offense Vs. Garret Riley offense
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Props for this! Best response I’ve seen yet. JK: “Dabo now calling plays for FSU!!”.
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