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Mangey post: Offense is looking a little better
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Nov 14, 2023, 9:16 AM
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but I have to say I am really excited about the defense as these young guys get more experience. They balled out on Saturday.
Also, Tyler Brown could be the next "Renfrow" type of guy. Underrated and could become a star.
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Simplifying blocking schemes made more difference than folks realize.
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Nov 14, 2023, 9:25 AM
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If there is one thing our staff has been guilty of from Dabo Day One, it's trying to fit square pegs into round holes. Talent and depth got us past a lot of that, but you'd damnsure better be able to adapt to personnel strengths in the portal era and that's been a large part of our issue this year. The same thing we loudly complained about when Chad Morris was OC has really been just below the surface the entire time.
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Yep, and O line has played much better since.
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Nov 14, 2023, 9:27 AM
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which obviously has made the RBs more efficient.
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Suffice it to say...
Nov 14, 2023, 10:52 AM
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I know we don't have an NFL-caliber OL but there was no way these guys were as bad as they looked for 8 weeks even with injuries testing the lower end of the depth chart.
Square peg. Round hole.
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Guess it's semantics...
Nov 14, 2023, 11:04 AM
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I certainly noticed a change in the running game scheme away from the counter schemes.
I wouldn't refer to that as simplifying the blocking scheme though. It's an entirely different play in both the backfield and the line. To me, simplifying the blocking scheme has to do with blocking the same play differently and using less/more simple reads against the defensive set.
I'd be willing to bet that we didn't change the OL reads in the middle of the season, we're just calling different plays.
Just the splitting of hairs by a former OL 
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We had a play called 86 (for the right) or 83 (for the left)
Nov 14, 2023, 11:20 AM
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cross block. I had to fire off in front of the guard while he either he stepped back a little and to the side. It was never a wise coaching decision to call this play when I was in the game. We'd break the huddle, the guard (the one player on the team that I really didn't get along with/wanted to fight) would hit my shoulder and say "That's us," followed by a mess of tangled feet.
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You sure that aint an 84? 86 would be on the ouside the Tackle
Nov 14, 2023, 12:07 PM
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so you blocking down and the guard kicking out would be kicking him right into the running back. Of course, Clover would do something dumb like that.
Or York would be too stupid to know which was the 4 hole and which was the 6 hole, I really don't remember but I should since I was the TE and DE out there.
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Man, that was 25 years ago so
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Nov 14, 2023, 4:17 PM
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1 or both of the numbers could be wrong.
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I wasn't going to go into the whole 43/34 vs 83/84***
Nov 14, 2023, 4:20 PM
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THANK YOU! Been saying that 4-eva.
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Nov 14, 2023, 10:33 AM
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It was Chad's issue when he couldn't change his system to adapt to personnel (or opposing defenses when they figured out his system). It comes with the territory when he basically lifted the system from Malzahn, so it makes sense that he had limited ability to tweak it.
Then we've basically been running a dog-eared and torn version of that playbook since he left. It's why Jeff Scott looked like a genius for tweaking the play calling ever so slightly for Stoudt in the bowl game, but it's also why overall Stoudt, Bryant, and DJ looked like complete fish out of water.
Dabo couldn't have put it more accurately when he said "We run the Clemson offense". We sure do, and you'd better have the perfect people in place or we are in trouble. I feel like this season has marked him loosening the reins a little and allowing Riley to have a little more control than any OC has had since Morris arrived, but it has still felt like a real tug-of-war between the two of them, especially early on. Honestly I'm curious to see what happens next year more than anything. Dabo should have the confidence to let Riley take over more, and Riley will have an off-season with his feet underneath him and familiarity with the team to implement and tweak more effectively.
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Except the article's take is exactly opposite...
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Nov 14, 2023, 11:06 AM
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it says we've moves AWAY from the changes Riley implemented...specifically away from more counter run action and back to more traditional read action with less OL pulling across the formation.
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Disagree with the article that we just started trying to pull this
Nov 14, 2023, 11:38 AM
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season, but I think it speaks to part of the hybrid offense issue I think, having an absolutely imperfect blend of what Dabo and Riley wants. I think a ton of that will get cleaned up after this season.
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It's not just pulling...
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Nov 14, 2023, 1:14 PM
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it's the counter pull action in the backfield and on the OL. That certainly is/was new or certainly being done a lot more often.
Traditional pulling/trap game has for sure been used a lot up to this year. But counter pulling on the OL is play-side line blocking counter to the direction of the pulling guard(normally) from the back-side...versus having the off tackle skip around the inside/outside DL and block the LB and the skipped DL being trapped.
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Re: Mangey post: Offense is looking a little better
Nov 14, 2023, 11:23 AM
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None of this crap will matter if they don’t find a way to get a vertical passing attack for next season.
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