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Lots of vitriol on the board

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Sep 3, 2024, 4:10 PM
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I guess my Tnet leaders who have a pulse high enough to with stand any attack will post soon. (BBO, FM, TB, DSP)

For now just TD me.

The many Tnet fans who believe they are "entitled" to never loosing a game to a better team have taken over the bored.

Some kids today have no idea as to beginning life as an underdog and fighting their way to better.
Dabo does. I do.

Like many here who have seen hard times (like Abraham Lincoln (posts under the scock 'Go Orange Tigers') I am not dismayed.
I grew up in an excellent home even smaller than Abe's.
I understand you don't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes --> Mick Jagger.

This Tiger team just played the best team in the USA. If you believe Vegas, every team in the new Coaches Poll out today would have lost and now be out of the top 20.

Tigers are not fazed. Tiger Fans are not fazed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXedhWyTZBs

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It's not about losing one game

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Sep 3, 2024, 4:19 PM
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It's about being skulldragged for 4 quarters. We at last the last two.

It's about a lackluster offense that has been that way for years with no apparent improvement.

It's about losing to the closest FBS school to Clemson ever single time we play them and hearing their fans laugh at our program.

Somethings got to change. But I doubt it will
Amd no, I don't mean getting rid of Dabo, that would be ridiculous.

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Re: It's not about losing one game

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Sep 3, 2024, 4:22 PM
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coot

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^^^ Tbalm ^^^

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Sep 3, 2024, 5:03 PM
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:)

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That's all they have. When they know you are right, all they can do

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Sep 3, 2024, 6:26 PM [ in reply to Re: It's not about losing one game ]
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is try to pin you as a chicken fan. Deflection 101

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Sep 3, 2024, 9:56 PM [ in reply to Re: It's not about losing one game ]
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That crap just makes the bored idiotic. Argue the point or just sit down.

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Re: It's not about losing one game


Sep 4, 2024, 3:15 PM [ in reply to It's not about losing one game ]
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They made excuses for Bowden the same way. Anyone with a functioning cortex knew Bowden should have been fired after TTU blew clemson out but the sunshine crowd kept him around 6 more years. They're going to help Dabo finishing burying the program before he rides off into the $un$et.

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Re: Lots of vitriol on the board

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Sep 3, 2024, 4:20 PM
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The Tigers will learn, grow, win and hopefully play UGA again in the CFP. No game nor anything in life is a "gimmie".

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LOL, we arent playing in the national championship game this year.***

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Sep 3, 2024, 5:11 PM
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Re: LOL, we arent playing in the national championship game this year.***

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Sep 3, 2024, 6:00 PM
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Not discussing basketball.

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Re: LOL, we arent playing in the national championship game this year.***


Sep 3, 2024, 6:52 PM
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Ha!

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Re: LOL, we arent playing in the national championship game this year.***


Sep 3, 2024, 8:23 PM [ in reply to Re: LOL, we arent playing in the national championship game this year.*** ]
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Bwahahahahahaha !!!

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Re: LOL, we arent playing in the national championship game this year.***

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Sep 3, 2024, 6:12 PM [ in reply to LOL, we arent playing in the national championship game this year.*** ]
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Dang JK that’s some funny stuff. You are killing it with these one line jabs. Your followers are the only ones laughing.

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Re: LOL, we arent playing in the national championship game this year.***


Sep 4, 2024, 8:14 AM [ in reply to LOL, we arent playing in the national championship game this year.*** ]
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"Ohh, that smell, the smell of things around you." 🎵🎶🎵 👉Judge Smell Keller

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Re: LOL, we arent playing in the national championship game this year.***


Sep 4, 2024, 2:57 PM [ in reply to LOL, we arent playing in the national championship game this year.*** ]
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He didn't say the national championship. He just said the playoffs.

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Re: Lots of vitriol on the board

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Sep 3, 2024, 5:28 PM [ in reply to Re: Lots of vitriol on the board ]
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Haha

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Sep 3, 2024, 5:31 PM [ in reply to Re: Lots of vitriol on the board ]
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Still drinkin the Koolaid I see

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drinkin the Koolaid

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Sep 3, 2024, 8:27 PM
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Re: Lots of vitriol on the board

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Sep 3, 2024, 4:26 PM
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whining about the posters on a message board surely will stop all this madness. LMAO

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whining

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Sep 3, 2024, 4:37 PM
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coot --> The deal here is all get to join in.

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The whiners are more embarrassing to Clemson and the FB program, than the loss.

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Sep 3, 2024, 4:43 PM [ in reply to Re: Lots of vitriol on the board ]
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Coot

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Sep 3, 2024, 5:04 PM
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lol... this is fun!

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Re: Coot

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Sep 3, 2024, 5:09 PM
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Yes, I just wanted to give all a chance to expose themselves - Many who are still in the TIGER camp are too afraid to post and be slamed by the coots.



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A lot of the homers are too afraid to post today

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Sep 3, 2024, 5:13 PM
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because they are embarrassed for defending Dabo and the program so hard.

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Re: A lot of the homers are too afraid to post today

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Sep 4, 2024, 8:22 AM
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because they are embarrassed for defending Dabo and the program so hard.




Indeed. The G'ville/Hartwell-based Karens are keeping it to a minimum this week. Guess even they know that it's time to clean house (again)

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Re: The whiners are more embarrassing to Clemson and the FB program, than the loss.

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Sep 3, 2024, 6:17 PM [ in reply to The whiners are more embarrassing to Clemson and the FB program, than the loss. ]
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Yep. I used to be that guy but life happened and I got a lot more important things in life going on right now then to cry about Clemson and Dabo not doing what I feel they should be doing. Think I will just show up Sat and cheer for the men in orange like I always have.

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show up Sat and cheer

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Sep 3, 2024, 6:21 PM
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They will play hard and not let you down.

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Re: The whiners are more embarrassing to Clemson and the FB program, than the loss.

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Sep 3, 2024, 8:17 PM [ in reply to Re: The whiners are more embarrassing to Clemson and the FB program, than the loss. ]
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We’ll be right there with you Saturday! As always. Go Tigers!

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Re: The whiners are more embarrassing to Clemson and the FB program, than the loss.

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Sep 4, 2024, 8:14 AM [ in reply to The whiners are more embarrassing to Clemson and the FB program, than the loss. ]
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Is that a joke?

FSU just got bent-over by BC on Monday night. What do YOU think is more embarrassing: The loss to on National Television, or the fans complaining about Norvell's inability to develop?

FOH, r'tard.

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Re: Lots of vitriol on the board

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Sep 3, 2024, 4:38 PM
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Do you think we played well?

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Sep 3, 2024, 4:56 PM
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Sorry Tatted, the TD was a scroll error (fat thumb). I owe you a few TUs. There were some busted plays but I think overall the team showed they can compete. IMO, the biggest cause is mainly a coaching issues. The Tigers got out coached at halftime, not always using the right personnel on offense, and didn't adjust on the fly.

The Tiger defense played mostly zone in the first half, UGA adjusted for zone coverage at the half. I was surprised there was so little man coverage and very few blitzes to disrupt the sweeps and get after Beck.

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Re: Lots of vitriol on the board

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Sep 3, 2024, 5:13 PM
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I agree with you completely saddis56®

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Sep 3, 2024, 6:22 PM [ in reply to Re: Lots of vitriol on the board ]
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Yea letting Beck sit back and throw with little to no pressure will bite you 9.5 times out of 10.

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Re: Lots of vitriol on the board

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Sep 3, 2024, 4:59 PM [ in reply to Re: Lots of vitriol on the board ]
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I think we did the best we could. The deal is teams that give up in a game (see FS yesterday). Tigers played hard all game.
Yes, things were not as perfect as we all (them) wanted, but the fire was there.

Most don't understand the difference in talent in this game. UGA has been mostly beating us all my life.

Because we did not have a few of those million dollar Nil players like FS, some slam.

Tigers are OK, this will be a great season.
When we meet UGA in the play offs, we will be improved. At many positions this is a young team that has guys and coaches there to get them up to speed.

I see this as a good team that will make the playoffs.
Folks who always expect to win every game are band wagon.

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I admire you being drunk at 5:00 in the afternoon.***

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Re: I admire you being drunk at 5:00 in the afternoon.***

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Sep 3, 2024, 5:10 PM
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I have been that by noon when I was employed.

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If that was our best, we are in for a very long season.***

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Sep 3, 2024, 6:20 PM [ in reply to Re: Lots of vitriol on the board ]
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I could live with the team that showed up in the first half. Played pretty dang solid.

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Imagine thinking this was all over 1 game and not the past 3 years...***

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Re: Imagine thinking this was all over 1 game and not the past 3 years...***

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Sep 3, 2024, 4:59 PM
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The cult of personality

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Re: Imagine thinking this was all over 1 game and not the past 3 years...***

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Sep 3, 2024, 6:29 PM
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You must be referring to the “cult of JK”

People that don’t agree with your whining does not mean they are some type of “cult.”

I’m a die hard Clemson man that is not going to sit around and moan because things are not going well right now, or being ran like I believe I would run things.

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Re: Imagine thinking this was all over 1 game and not the past 3 years...***

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Sep 3, 2024, 5:02 PM [ in reply to Imagine thinking this was all over 1 game and not the past 3 years...*** ]
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Past 3 years as we struggled have exceeded what most CF fans will ever see. We only won 9 games last year.
Coots are exposing themselves. I like that.

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Re: Imagine thinking this was all over 1 game and not the past 3 years...***

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Sep 3, 2024, 6:59 PM
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I recall my first year being a Clemson fan was 1962 as kid that had just started youth football. I never saw or was involved in a season that had 9+ wins until 1978 when the Tigers won 11. I was alive when they won 9 games in 1959 but too young to come close to remembering.

That was 16 years as a fan until the 1st season I remember with a 9+ wins and stayed a fan without a second thought. These young whippersnappers would flip out waiting that long.

We all waited 35 years between championships but didn't really complain much except when they fired Danny Ford and it became obvious Bowden was not going to win a big game. Then the Tigers won 2 championships in 2 years, survived COVID and now, according to some, the team and coaches have gone to hayel. SMH

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LOL - Ramblings posts like this one tend to bring the "vitriol"

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Sep 3, 2024, 5:14 PM
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Wrap it up, ffs.

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Re: LOL - Ramblings posts like this one tend to bring the "vitriol"

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Sep 3, 2024, 5:31 PM
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This is not a ramble. Why should I or any allow only coots to post with no reply?

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Re: LOL - Ramblings posts like this one tend to bring the "vitriol"

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Sep 4, 2024, 8:19 AM
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You demented?

You honestly think USC fans have shlit-else better to do that to hang around Clemson message boards all day?

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Re: Lots of vitriol on the board

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Sep 3, 2024, 5:33 PM
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Are you satisfied with the performance on Saturday? Do you not expect more from the team? I think true Clemson fans should expect better than 4 years of mediocre offensive performances. I do at least.

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true Clemson fans

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Sep 3, 2024, 5:42 PM
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Good deal. All real fans hope for best.
Some of us expect that when not playing the #1 team we will indeed do better.

Please define what you think a "real" Clemson fan is.
Am I one? Apparently you are one.
Please don't run and hide, post and explain to us why you are a "real fan" and others are not.

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Re: true Clemson fans

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Sep 3, 2024, 6:07 PM
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He gone….

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what about when we got pounded by Tennessee last year...

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Sep 3, 2024, 5:57 PM
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you guys keep pointing to "1" loss. This decline didn't start Saturday

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This decline

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Sep 3, 2024, 6:02 PM
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Decline is explained by most coots as not winning every game.

By that definition even Alabama and UGA and OHS and all teams who do not go undefeated this season are crap.

Slipping from not winning the natty every year is failure?

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Slipping from not being a top 10 program every year


Sep 3, 2024, 6:04 PM
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where we were clearly established 3 years ago.

I know you are trying to spin this as best as you can. I admire that

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Re: Slipping from not being a top 10 program every year

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Sep 3, 2024, 6:12 PM
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No spin from me needed.
Go Tigers !

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Re: Slipping from not being a top 10 program every year

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Sep 3, 2024, 7:28 PM [ in reply to Slipping from not being a top 10 program every year ]
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TD Tigers said:

where we were clearly established 3 years ago.

I know you are trying to spin this as best as you can. I admire that


44 times a Div 1 football team finished the season undefeated since 1975 and that was 25 different teams that went undefeated 44 times.

Since the CFP started in 2014, only 6 teams * have gone undefeated but only 5 of those undefeated teams were in the CFP.

* In 2017 season, UCF was undefeated but didn't make the playoffs and won their bowl game. Alabama with 1 loss won the CFP Championship in 2017 season.

Time to get real!


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what are you talking about?


Sep 3, 2024, 8:19 PM
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No one expects Clemson to go undefeated each year.

Look at the last 3 years and tell me things are trending in the right direction. 34-3 to Georgia.

As it sits right now, Dabo cannot maintain a top 10 program due to the decisions he is making towards NIL and then not using the portal for depth.

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Re: what are you talking about?

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Sep 3, 2024, 8:23 PM
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Thanks for explaining things.
I had no clue and apparently neither does the staff there.

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Re: what are you talking about?

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Sep 3, 2024, 9:27 PM [ in reply to what are you talking about? ]
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UGA is not exactly a hot bed for transfers and this year is (if I recall correctly) the most they have brought in but they had several transfer out, many drafted and some lost eligibility. And you can only NIL as much as the money available or some is willing to pay.

While UGA's record was actually 42 - 2 the last 3 seasons Clemson's record was 30 - 10. But then again, during the 5 seasons, 2016 through 2020, the Tigers were 55 - 6 and UGA was 52 - 14.

To sum it up, it's been a comparable 8 year run by both UGA and Clemson. During the 2016 through 2023 seasons, UGA's record was 94 - 16 while the Tiger's record was 95 - 16.

No team stays on top forever, it's an ebb and flow. Relax and enjoy life and Tiger football. There's no need to stress over something you can't control or even influence. Life is too short and remember, it ain't over for the Tigers!

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Re: what are you talking about?

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Sep 4, 2024, 7:34 AM
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I’m late with this, but this should have been POTD. Good job saddis56®!

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Re: Lots of vitriol on the board

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Sep 3, 2024, 6:11 PM
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Dang Tug I’m hanging in there. Just a lot of newbies that come out after a loss. It is predictable!

Hope you and your family are doing well!

tugalooriver®

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Dang Tug

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Sep 3, 2024, 6:16 PM
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Thanks buddy.
This year has been a challenge on a personal level.
Having friends here on Tnet to share and post helpful advice has been a blessing.

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Re: Lots of vitriol on the board

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Sep 3, 2024, 6:11 PM
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This post was to expose coots, and it is doing that. Most coots don't subscribe so can't TD me.
I only TD "hit and run posters" as I like debate. I also put them on ignore as obviously they don't want to debate. To be honest I do want to TD all things posted by folks like JK, but only do that if really drunk -- so far never.
Can't an old guy have a beer ?

Maybe I posted the wrong tune above?
Here is Loretta.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9eHp7JJgq8

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Re: Lots of vitriol on the board

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Sep 3, 2024, 6:15 PM
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We’re still here tug. Just not as loud as the Debby Downers these days. It’s a long season. Lots of football still to be played. I know I’m going to be enjoying those 7 Saturdays in Death Valley. Maybe with a little luck we can sell fried crow to those coots at the ACCCG tailgate in December.

Go Tigers!

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Re: Lots of vitriol on the board

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Sep 3, 2024, 6:16 PM
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Can I show up at your tail gate for a free beer?

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Re: Lots of vitriol on the board

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Sep 3, 2024, 6:18 PM
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Yessir. Seems I still owe you one, at least. We will be in t hie Jervey Meadows lot this year. Come check us out.

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Re: Lots of vitriol on the board

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Sep 3, 2024, 6:19 PM [ in reply to Re: Lots of vitriol on the board ]
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Just don’t wear that daggum JK name tag this time 😂😂😂

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As I've said many times, I'm ok with the results of the past few seasons.

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Sep 3, 2024, 6:22 PM
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I'm great with 8-9 win seasons, heck maybe even a lowly 7 win season here and there, IF

-Dabo's pay drops to about $2M a year, and the staff salaries drop accordingly
-Ticket prices and IPTAY donation level requirements drop to where they were 10-12 years ago.
-We return to appreciating the longevity of long-time donors and stop courting corporate ticket holders with instant massive seat equity.
-We stop building pickleball courts, slides, and nappy rooms for the players because they clearly don't help, so save the $$$.
-In-state/out of state student ratios move from the current 50/50 to more like 70/30.



We do that, and you won't hear a negative word out of my mouth. Until then, if we are paying for a Ferrari, we shouldn't be thrilled with a Honda Accord.

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Re: As I've said many times, I'm ok with the results of the past few seasons.

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Sep 3, 2024, 6:33 PM
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You would have been crying had they not given him the contract and he had went somewhere else.

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Re: As I've said many times, I'm ok with the results of the past few seasons.


Sep 3, 2024, 7:06 PM [ in reply to As I've said many times, I'm ok with the results of the past few seasons. ]
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Pay for coaches and now NIL is set by the market.

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Indeed it is, and as I mentioned

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Sep 3, 2024, 8:22 PM
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We are paying market rate for a Ferrari and getting a Honda.

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Re: As I've said many times, I'm ok with the results of the past few seasons.

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Sep 3, 2024, 9:00 PM [ in reply to As I've said many times, I'm ok with the results of the past few seasons. ]
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Exactly.

Obed®

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Just hanging around the bus station picking my nose.


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Re: As I've said many times, I'm ok with the results of the past few seasons.

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Sep 3, 2024, 9:48 PM [ in reply to As I've said many times, I'm ok with the results of the past few seasons. ]
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add GA parking to your list brother

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Re: Lots of vitriol on the board

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Sep 3, 2024, 6:35 PM
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Coots and trolls!

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Im With You Tug

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Sep 3, 2024, 6:57 PM
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The ”fans” that think they know better might understand some day if they manage to drive Dabo off and get to experience a few decades in the wilderness.

Me, I’ll just watch and support him while he runs the program. It is his to run, and he has earned it.

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TeachingTiger13®

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Sep 3, 2024, 7:40 PM
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See what I mean -

This turd does a "hit and run" TD being too cowardly to post and debate.
All on my growing ignore list are there for that.
It is a feature of Tnet to exclude coward ssh=oles.
Thanks Tnet.

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Re: Lots of vitriol on the board


Sep 3, 2024, 7:42 PM
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Why did we go from King of the mountain to underdog in such a short time??????

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Re: Lots of vitriol on the board


Sep 3, 2024, 7:59 PM
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We were only "King of the Mountain" after games, never before.
Now is before and we will win.

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Sep 3, 2024, 8:35 PM
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Can you explain the country music video reference? I’m enjoying the back and forth by the way….

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Can you explain the country music


Sep 3, 2024, 8:41 PM
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No, I can not.

I am a fan of "better" audio like most are fans of TV.

I often put up things for folks here on the cloud. Tmail me if you are into better audio.
I am a fan of all genre, these days mostly play Jazz.

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Sep 3, 2024, 8:37 PM
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Winning the next 4 games will fix things and will put the Georgia game pretty much behind us.

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Re: Lots of vitriol on the board


Sep 3, 2024, 8:51 PM
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That comment is like a CFO looking at one number at the end of a quarter and ignoring the chart that clearly shows where the trend is heading.

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You misspelled "reality"******


Sep 3, 2024, 9:29 PM
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Re: Lots of vitriol on the board


Sep 3, 2024, 9:43 PM
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it mostly comes from the crap stirrers like yourself showing up out of nowhere to torch and gaslight

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That's the spirit, Friend.


Sep 3, 2024, 10:08 PM
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Be true to your school. Come #### or high water.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7sLDziV2hs

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Re: Lots of vitriol on the board


Sep 4, 2024, 8:10 AM
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I'm totally behind you Tuguaoo River👍

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Dabo's success has created a whole generation of boiled sprats. They

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Sep 4, 2024, 8:27 AM
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do not remember what it was like to languish in the football doldrums year after year. They SHOULD be able to remember all the "##########" jokes at our expense under Tommy Bowden. Perhaps they think that now, Clemson is a "destination", and we could get anybody we want as a coach. They are wrong. Clemson is a unique place, with a unique set of circumstances. It took a unique personality like Dabo Swinney to bring out the potential of Clemson.

I hearken back to Dabo's presser when he was named Official Head Coach, after having the successful stint as Interim. He was asked something to the effect of, could he see Clemson becoming like the Ohio States of the football world. His answer was classic Dabo, when he said, "What I envision is for Clemson to become a program that THEY want to emulate." And, he accomplished exactly that.

Now, NIL and the Transfer Portal have completely shifted the landscape of college football. And, make no mistake, they ARE a tandem. I don't think the Transfer Portal would ever have caught on like it has if not for the riches that can be bartered via NIL and tampering. Dabo continues to do things his way. Some of you want to give up on him after one disappointing game. Go ahead, we will miss you for a minute. But, we will move on.

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Sep 4, 2024, 11:57 AM
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Absolutely! You will never get another Dabo. I really question anyone's sanity who thinks getting a new coach at this point is a good thing.

Look, they are stuck in a rut and the Georgia game was a reality check. The worst thing is for someone to keep doing the same thing over and over and justifying how everything's fine. The evidence is mounting that it's not fine. Dabo has taken chances in the past and struck gold, and other times missed. I support him and believe that he will do what is needed

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Sep 4, 2024, 11:45 AM
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My thoughts are that the Tigers are still a great program and could easily get 10 wins again this year. But what concerns me is their lack of growth on the Offensive side of the ball. They will never be able to compete with Georgia or other top 10 teams if they can't move the ball. I would put their offense easily in the bottom 20% of all D1 programs. Most MAC programs are more effective than what we've seen in recent years. The talent is there, but the results are not

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Sep 4, 2024, 2:25 PM
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I tried vitriol once, but then I had to go to the Dr’s office after 5 hours.

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