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Some of you pumpers don’t seem to understand
Nov 30, 2022, 8:16 AM
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It’s not about losing to Scar
It’s not that we aren’t 12-0
It’s not that we won’t be in CFP
ITS ABOUT “BEST IS THE STANDARD”
That means a lot of things!
It meant changing from Kelly Bryant to TL in 2018
It meant hiring Chad Morris and Brent Venables
It meant feeding Etienne the ball and teaching him to catch passes!
If you think the trajectory of this program is ok, then please look a bit deeper.
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I’m not sure anyone has said all is well.
Nov 30, 2022, 8:22 AM
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But there has to be perspective on the dumpers side that we are still 10-2 and in the conference championship game. Yes I think some changes need to be made but no we shouldn’t fire one of the two best coaches in college football because he isn’t doing what every single Tigernet handle wants.
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You think I want Dabo gone? Where’d you get that?***
Nov 30, 2022, 8:23 AM
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Oculus Spirit [40412]
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No but some other idiots have said it.
Nov 30, 2022, 8:30 AM
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They may be just that idiots, or coots, or just angry but it’s been said. I don’t think you hire a guy like Dabo and try to micromanage either. That being said asking questions are ok. And my jury is still out on whether he’s too proud to admit things aren’t going well. I’m generally a pumper but I would challenge anyone to come on here and post a good, serious argument, that all is well.
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Get on point, I’m talking about the pumpers***
Nov 30, 2022, 8:31 AM
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Orange Elite [5233]
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Dabo needs to stop answering valid questions like a child
Nov 30, 2022, 9:12 AM
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And threatening to take his ball and go home if people are not nice to him. He makes $10MM/year! He is paid to answer tough questions like a responsible, mature adult… not like some butt hurt, whiny a$$ kid!
If he keeps threatening to leave because he gets asked tough questions and gets criticized, then maybe it is time he moves on. The original Dabo wasn’t like this. He would be just as dissatisfied as any of us fans and you would know it. He wouldn’t sugar coat it and give such trite answers.
Something has changed with Dabo and he needs to find the original Dabo and fast!
Do I want him fired? No, not yet. But if this same attitude and lack of competing for a natty continues, we can find another coach for less $$ who can consistently win 10 games a year and not live up to the “best is the standard” standard. Remember, we fired Ken Hatfield after a 10 win season. Why? Because we expect more here at Clemson. This is not Scar!
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He has changed, that's for sure.....back in 2011........
Nov 30, 2022, 9:32 AM
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We have our first 10-win season in maybe 2 decades..............We won our FIRST ACC Championship in 2 decades, yet Dabo STILL had the fire/hunger/desire for BETTER........or "BEST"............so he FIRED his Defensive Coordinator and went out and got THE BEST DC we could've asked for............which continued our acceleration to the top of College Football.
now we're told to be grateful that we're not 4-8.
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Poor pheeble.. phail is your middle name.***
Dec 4, 2022, 7:29 PM
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Oculus Spirit [39064]
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LOL, what happened in the decade plus after that?
Nov 30, 2022, 9:44 AM
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We fired Hatfield for "only" winning 10 games and then we spent 20 years wishing we could win 10 games and compete for a *conference* championship. Nobody in their right mind even dared to imagine winning the national championship.
Now it's "natty or bust" and a lot of our fans don't even care about the ACCCG we are about to play in. An entitled fan base goes on and on about what they "deserve" and Dabo not meeting a standard that HE set. Be careful what you wish for.
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Top TigerNet [30652]
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Re: LOL, what happened in the decade plus after that?
Nov 30, 2022, 10:47 AM
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We fired Hatfield for "only" winning 10 games and then we spent 20 years wishing we could win 10 games and compete for a *conference* championship. Nobody in their right mind even dared to imagine winning the national championship.
Now it's "natty or bust" and a lot of our fans don't even care about the ACCCG we are about to play in. An entitled fan base goes on and on about what they "deserve" and Dabo not meeting a standard that HE set. Be careful what you wish for.
100% AGREE WITH YOU.
Off topic, but I am a huge poker player. Would love to get a game together some time.
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Re: LOL, what happened in the decade plus after that?
Nov 30, 2022, 10:53 AM
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On board with both of y’all. And the poker game.
Poker - noticed your profile says Johns Island. You originally from there? I grew up there a long time ago and my brother and sisters still live on the Island.
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Top TigerNet [29028]
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Re: LOL, what happened in the decade plus after that?
Dec 4, 2022, 7:25 PM
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man that island has changed so much! it’s kinda sad.
Spent many a nights out on wolf island right there on the stono by limehouse growing up. Now we usually fill 2 5 gallon trash bags every time we visit. Then there’s this group of fanatics that call themselves “keep JI rural” and they’re all from ohio and moved to the island less than 10 years ago. Ticks me off people have the nerve to move somewhere like that and then think it’s theirs and try and stop others from moving in. #### yankees
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Re: LOL, what happened in the decade plus after that?
Dec 2, 2022, 8:07 AM
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I also agree with you 100%. As I have said before, I remember the 3-8 seasons and I thought we fired Hatfield because of recruiting violations. Could be wrong though. Why would anyone complain about 12, ten win seasons in a row. Be happy and grateful for what and who we have. Go Tigers!
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ACC conf title has diminished in stature by the way
Nov 30, 2022, 11:09 AM
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The ACC is now considered to be one of the weakest of the power 5 conferences, so winning the title in the ACC is Ho hum at this point. In order to have a good year, we need to get to the CFP and NCAA tournament.
Especially if Best is the Standard!
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Re: ACC conf title has diminished in stature by the way
Dec 5, 2022, 4:52 PM
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The ACC is now considered to be one of the weakest of the power 5 conferences, so winning the title in the ACC is Ho hum at this point. In order to have a good year, we need to get to the CFP and NCAA tournament.
Especially if Best is the Standard!
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Re: ACC conf title has diminished in stature by the way
Dec 5, 2022, 5:04 PM
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To state that to have had a good season you must make the CFP is insane. I, for one, would like to beat our rival ( no check in that box), win 10 games, win a conference championship, and improve from the previous season. It is pretty hard to be one of the CFP teams every year (only four teams in the nation). Does your boss have standards that high for you?
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Hatfield only won 10 games because he still
Dec 5, 2022, 2:34 PM
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Had Danny’s players on defense. What kind of revisionist history ######## is this ?
The program was in OBVIOUS decline. Just like it is now.
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Re: Dabo needs to stop answering valid questions like a child
Nov 30, 2022, 10:18 AM
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If I had to hear from a spoiled whinny #### bunch like some on this board I’d say the same thing. Bunch of ungrateful “fans”. Really thinking cooterville u suits many here
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Re: Dabo needs to stop answering valid questions like a child
Nov 30, 2022, 10:44 AM
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Dabo has earned the right to get a little (or lot) defensive. I don't like it when ge gets that way, but I understand it. He in no way threatened to quit. I will bet if he had waited another day or so for the press conference he would have tempered his answers a little more carefully. But he doesn't have the luxury of waiting for days after a loss to finally talk to the press and answer questions.
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hahaha.. was kinda with you until you mentioned the Hatfield
Dec 2, 2022, 9:35 AM
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thing.. we expected more than 10 wins and what did we end up with? 30 years of mediocrity and toiling and an embarrassing football program.. Be careful what you wish for is all i say to this stuff. I thought the wise thing to do was to learn from the mistakes of the past. Hatfield was fired b/c he didn't chew tobacco, cuss out refs, and own a farm. Aka he wasn't Danny. We most certainly will fall well off the map just like we did after Hatfield... bet that.
I will stay on the bandwagon with a guy that turned our garbage-@$$ football program into an elite powerhouse.. Pretty sure he's got a decent blue print of how to do it. What you guys think is that we can go out and just get the next Nick Saban to take his place... i mean.. get a grip. Back stetch here. Dabo has built up plenty of grace equity.. let him figure it out. He wants to win way more than you do.
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Re: Dabo needs to stop answering valid questions like a child
Dec 3, 2022, 1:00 AM
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I don't know which is funnier or moref historically ignorant .. acting like hiring a coach at Clemson that can consistently win 10 games is a given, the time to fire Dabo may be coming or actually comparing Dabo to Ken Hatfield.
Yes guys we are not going to the playoffs, the 40 game home win streak is over, the 7 straight over the ##### is dead, the nations longest win streak is gone. We are playing for a conference Championship. For the last 44 years, one coach has achieved any of these things. Clemson fans questioning whether it's time to fire Dabo is the ultimate example of not understanding who Clemson is and was without him.
In 126 years, Clemson has hired 2 coaches capable of coming any where close to winning a National Title. We fired one and wondered lost in the desert for 30 years, now you geniuses want to consider firing another one. If I didn't have the privilege of being a Clemson fan I'd be pulling for you to fire him and get what you deserve.
Not to be ugly, but it's an ignorant argument.
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Re: Dabo needs to stop answering valid questions like a child
Dec 4, 2022, 6:48 PM
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Funniest part is, his wish for bama, will never happen. He won’t even be on their short list. It’s not just Tiger fans watching and I can assure you, the masses down there, the money down there, don’t want him!!!
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Exactly. If Dabo wants to keep acting like a giant man baby
Dec 5, 2022, 2:14 PM
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I don’t care if he leaves. He’s destroying what he created. NO, he does not have a right to do that.
Dabo used to be someone I looked up to. He’s changed a lot ..
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Dabo is in the forefront of spinning his exit
Nov 30, 2022, 10:58 AM
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If "things aren't done his way". Any sane fans, alums, boosters want Dabo around for a long time, but he is personally and defensively spinning the option to "be gone".
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Then he best live up to his mantra… BEST IS THE STANDARD***
Nov 30, 2022, 11:12 AM
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Re: You think I want Dabo gone? Where’d you get that?***
Nov 30, 2022, 8:33 AM
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There's nuts and trolls out there that probably said that. Everyone knows you would never advocate that. But there are a lot of posters who apparently feels if you question the program, question a position hire, it's automatically assumed you're not trusting Dabo to do his job. Not saying lovingit would ever suggest that.
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if A +B = C + B then A = C
Nov 30, 2022, 8:45 AM
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he clearly stated he doenst listen to moomoos on the internet. hes going to do things his way until the day he is fired.
if you want things done any other way.. you'll have to convince Neff to fire Dabo 1st.
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Orange Elite [5233]
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When the booster $ dries up, that is when Dabo will be
Nov 30, 2022, 9:22 AM
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on the real hot seat. Until then, it is just peasants complaining in the ghetto out here.
But I will say this, those donating $100MM for a athletic facilities project or to help fund the coaching salaries, etc will not continue to do so if things don’t get rectified here very soon. If Dabo or anyone else senses pressure from the donor class, look out! And from what I am hearing, that pressure has begun. This is why Dabo is acting like a spoiled child and wants to threaten to leave if they don’t stop scrutinizing him.
Hey, it is their $$. They can choose to spend it or not Dabo. You need to earn it now brotha!
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Re: When the booster $ dries up, that is when Dabo will be
Nov 30, 2022, 10:18 AM
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He threatened to leave?
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Top TigerNet [32265]
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no***
Nov 30, 2022, 10:20 AM
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what Dabo actually said
That's what I get paid to do, all I can tell you is I'm going to do my job," Swinney said. "If it comes a time where people don't like how I do my job, they can hire somebody else, but until then, I'm not going to make any decisions based on what other people what me to do -- I can tell you that. If I did that, I wouldn't be sitting here talking to you tonight, and the reality of it is we're a 10-2 football team playing for our league title and one of the most consistent teams in the country.
"Every year is different. Nobody has their head in the sand. We've got to get better in a lot of areas. We know that, but if we want to fire the head coach and fire the staff every year if we don't make the Playoff then you're going to have a new head coach here very often and you're going to have a new staff here every year because that ain't going to happen a lot. There's only four teams. If that's the mindset of Clemson, there will be a new head coach here and a new staff every year and it will be a very mediocre, inconsistent program. That's how I look at it.
"I get it. I know what my job is. There's nobody who works harder to represent Clemson and cares more about Clemson and the brand of Clemson than me -- I promise you that. Because I know where we've come from. I know where we've come from, and I know when we won that championship in 2011 and that hadn't happened in 20 years. Hadn't won 10 games in 20 years. And now we win 10 games and it's like nobody cares. You go to the ACC Championship and nobody cares. That's not true. A lot of vocal minority people don't care. But I ain't ever listen to those people and I ain't never going to listen to those people. I hear ya, but I'm going to keep doing my job.
"And again, I've got bosses. If they don't like how I do my job, they can send me out to pasture, but I'm going to show up every day and keep giving it everything I've got every single day as long as I've got breath in my body and I'm going to surround myself with people that I believe in because that's what we got here. We've got a bunch of great people and great kids that work their butt off to create the consistency that's so rare."
Read more: https://www.tigernet.com/clemson-football/news/swinney-on-qb-decision-im-never-going-to-compromise-what-i-think-is-right-41320#ixzz7m3RVufsn
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Re: no***
Nov 30, 2022, 10:24 AM
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Thank you
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Re: I’m not sure anyone has said all is well.
Nov 30, 2022, 8:32 AM
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Not sure who is saying Dabo should be let go but to defend our QB play by both Streeter and Dabo is very puzzling. Not sure what they were supposed to say but what they said and how they said it was not encouraging as far as possible changes.
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Maybe I missed it, but where/who said Dabo needs to go???
Nov 30, 2022, 8:36 AM
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I haven't seen ANY of that kind of discussion AT ALL on here.
There have been some comments made about how he needs to adapt/change/evolve, but NONE that I've seen say Dabo needs to go
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You're right and I think it'd be easier for dumpers
Nov 30, 2022, 8:36 AM
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to take if it just sounded like Dabo and Streeter admitted that the offense as a whole just isn't what it needs to be. After Saturday Dabo said we did a few uncharacteristic things and that cost us. The turnovers have been bad since Syracuse, the lack of a prolific passing game has been there all year except for brief spots. The things we did Saturday have been there all year, we just didn't have enough brought spots to overcome them.
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Re: You're right and I think it'd be easier for dumpers
Nov 30, 2022, 9:29 AM
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They have literally said that.
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How many people here have you honestly seen asking for Dabo to be fired?
Nov 30, 2022, 8:38 AM
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Anyone wanting to fire Dabo right now is an idiot, plain and simple.
In terms of perspective, winning 10 games with our schedule really isn’t that impressive, considering our recent success, our talent level, and our support of football at Clemson (financially, administratively, and from fans).
We all understand that many programs would love to win 10 games, and we all remember struggling to win 10 games when Tommy West and Tommy Bowden were coaching. This is a different era for Clemson football (and Dabo played a significant role in that), so in many respects, comparing now to then isn’t relevant..
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Re: How many people here have you honestly seen asking for Dabo to be fired?
Nov 30, 2022, 8:47 AM
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Spot on and well said.
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Only a few but I doubt they were serious or are coots
Nov 30, 2022, 8:58 AM
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Or trolls. Equally idiotic is the opposite extreme. How many people have you honestly seen that say they are fine with the trajectory of the program and no changes need to be made? The difference is to what degree do you tell your head coach what to do. Likely 0 at any major program. Yes ask questions and yes give suggestions but Dabo is the head coach until he’s not.
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More than you think.........
Nov 30, 2022, 9:08 AM
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there are a lot on here that are completely satisfied as long as we hit the 10 win mark.................because "hey, we're not 4-8 or 5-7"
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What TNET peasants say matters not, the donors matter
Nov 30, 2022, 9:33 AM
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And if they start withholding their millions in donations, things will change. Remember, Ken Hatfield was fired after a 10 win season. No one has a lifetime contract. Not even Dabo.
All I ask is for Dabo to stop giving us ######## answers and stop threatening to take his ball and go home just because he is being asked tough questions. He gets paid $10MM/year for gods sake. That is more than any of us will make in a lifetime. Surely he can just be straight with us and act like a mature adult for that amount of $. ?♂️?
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Re: More than you think.........
Nov 30, 2022, 10:07 AM
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Not any more than there are that say things like maybe Dabo should go to Alabama or question his motivation now that he is rich. Both are extremes. But those of us who simply advocate being a little more patient are constantly accused of being extreme and told we’re cultists, got our head in the sand, getting stipends from Dabo, idiots, etc. As I’ve said many times, I am very unhappy with the product on the field, especially the offense but I do trust Dabo do get it fixed. I don’t believe Big Dave has bought Dabo out, or that he is so fat and happy that he is too rich to care anymore. I also don’t believe things change overnight. Y’all are quick to point out this has been declining for up to 3-4 years and I don’t disagree with that either. But I also believe there is no magical hire or transfer guy or switch on Dabo’s butt that can be switched to fix it immediately either. So to a lot of y’all that realistic take makes me a cultist on Dabo’s payroll with my head in the sand.
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Re: More than you think.........
Nov 30, 2022, 10:09 AM
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And telling someone over and over “you don’t understand” is just passive aggressively calling them stupid.
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that's a fair take.....I don't disagree with much of that...
Nov 30, 2022, 10:19 AM
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The main thing I'd say in response to it being an "overnight" fix.
At this current moment that is correct. I don't believe that Dabo has been proactive enough in adjusting his "philosophy"/process/views/etc....during the last 3-4 years of "a decline" to warrant a "quick fix"...........there have been issues that have been ignored that COULD HAVE deterred such a drop off that we have right now. ANY changes that are made right now will likely take maybe 2 years to get us "back" to ELITE.
If Dabo changes anything at this point will have been a REACTIVE change and not a PROACTIVE one.
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Re: that's a fair take.....I don't disagree with much of that...
Nov 30, 2022, 10:38 AM
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I don’t disagree with that either. I just prefer to look ahead instead of back - except to learn from (but not dwell on) the past.
I believe our assessments of where we are are pretty close and I think most fans are in the same ballpark on that. The difference comes in how to approach improvement and there are literally thousands of ways that can be approached and opinions exist on all of them. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and even when some choose to type “Fact” next to theirs (I’ve seen that a couple of times this week) it doesn’t make their opinion any more right than someone else’s.
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yep...I'm looking ahead to the changes Dabo will make.
Nov 30, 2022, 10:56 AM
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we'll see if that happens.
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Re: yep...I'm looking ahead to the changes Dabo will make.
Nov 30, 2022, 11:00 AM
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Me too. And I’ll be shocked if there aren’t changes. There are so many opinions being thrown out there right now that no way everyone is going to be happy and get the changes each individual thinks should be made but like you said we’ll see and it will be interesting to see what they are. Still got 2 games this year that I really want to enjoy and win first.
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I’ll be shocked if he makes changes based on what he is
Nov 30, 2022, 11:18 AM
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Saying. I think that is where the angst lies. Give us some hope that the old Dabo is still there in what you say and how you respond to legitimate questions.
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CU Medallion [19258]
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Does it concern/bother you that Dabo
Nov 30, 2022, 11:04 AM
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has called DJ "the best player on the team". I cannot get by that comment. How about you rhettfla ? Do you agree with that statement? Anyone else agree? If it's not true, why is it being said?
I saw Myles Murphy, Ship, McFadden on 1st team All-ACC. I missed DJ on 1st, 2nd or 3rd. Where was he?
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Re: Which moran asked if you get a stipend?!
Dec 2, 2022, 8:50 AM
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I don’t even remember. Like I told someone the other day, I don’t get mad often even if it may sound like I am and I certainly don’t stay mad over anything someone says on here except the one a$$hat that made a comment about my wife and I when we had Covid. The rest of this is all play time.
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Tiger Titan [46330]
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Obviously Dabo is the head coach and he should
Nov 30, 2022, 9:26 AM
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make the decisions he feels are best for the program, but the notion that fans can't critique him or question him is absurd. Some of our fans have gone beyond respecting and admiring Dabo, and put him on this huge pedestal where he can do no wrong and he is not to be questioned.
That's extremely unhealthy. Dabo is human. He makes mistakes. And he very likely made some big mistakes with our football program in the last few years, which we are seeing play out now.
I don't want an AD who micromanages our head coaches. After all, the coaches are the experts. But Dabo shouldn't keep getting a blank check like he has the last 10 years to do whatever he wants. There have to be some checks and balances.
It's been asked before, but who in Dabo's life encourages him to rethink things or look at something from a different angle? It seems that Dabo has surrounded himself with yes men who just do what he says. If true, that's very concerning because even high achievers like Dabo sometimes need people to tell them no, or at least question their intentions.
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Ultimate Tiger [33006]
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Cobbox on Brad Brownell: “His only problem is he has to deal
Nov 30, 2022, 10:57 AM
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with turd fans questioning every move he makes.”
lol
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Re: I’m not sure anyone has said all is well.
Nov 30, 2022, 10:19 AM
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WHAT? You been around too long to buy this BS. Why not explain instead of sniping..
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Re: I’m not sure anyone has said all is well.
Dec 2, 2022, 9:28 PM
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Like it or not 10-2 in the ACC this year means you are an average team at best. Our 10 wins this year are hollow. We bearely beat less talented teams, took multiple over times to beat Wake (granted their QB and coach are underrated), and lost 2 teams with a pulse (one via blowout the other to our rival breaking multiple streaks). I dont want Dabo to leave, we are not there yet, but the current trajectory of our program is not good. Dabos handling of DJU tomorrow if he continues to struggle will be a telling sign of the future of this program.
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Re: I’m not sure anyone has said all is well.
Dec 5, 2022, 4:35 PM
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I've heard this excuse time and time again.. "Look at the bright side.. be happy we won ten games,, we're in the championship game.. at least we're blah blah blah".. I liken it to a story from when I was in high school.. Made a B+ in a Physics class that was taught by one of my football coaches at the school.. I tried to sell my parents on the fact that a B+ was a very good grade.. Especially for a class as challenging as Physics.. Lot's of other kids would love to have had a B+ in this class.. etc. etc. etc.. Bad thing was they knew my coach and already had conversations about how I should have had an A in the class.. Beacuse of numerous reasons.. time management, preparation,, whatever else you want to attribute to it.. I didn't make an A like I should have.. Did I have the ability? Yes.. Did I make the best choices in how I prepared, or how much I prepared..? No.. My parents were not sold one bit on what I was trying to sell them.. Why? Because they expected more out of me because "best is the standard"... Not.. We should all be happy with a B+ season because other teams like the Coots would be darn happy to have it. In Dabo's case you must practice what you preach.. Don't have it written on the wall's of the building if you don't want to put the term to use week in and week out..
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Legend [6946]
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Re: I’m not sure anyone has said all is well.
Dec 5, 2022, 5:41 PM
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Quit pumping. If we don't improve quickly, we will fall off in recruiting like a lead balloon. In this NIL mess, we can't tolerate even a year of mediocrity. We don't have the money to climb back up, we better stay on top.
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Re: Some of you pumpers don’t seem to understand
Nov 30, 2022, 8:31 AM
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Your virtue is thoroughly signaled yet somehow I doubt this will be last time reiterating the same thing.
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Scout Team [161]
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How many nattys did chad morris win?
Nov 30, 2022, 8:31 AM
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Thank you.
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All-In [11061]
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He also never got to see the talent through that his offense
Nov 30, 2022, 8:46 AM
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helped attract to Clemson.
The Chad Morris hire completely changed the trajectory for Clemson..............JUST LIKE the Brent Venables hire changed the Defense.
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How many generational quarterbacks did Chad Morris get to coach?
Nov 30, 2022, 8:46 AM
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However, you can thank him that we got Deshaun Watson. Without Morris, Watson doesn’t come here, and Trevor Lawrence probably doesn’t either.
And without those guys, I don’t think we win either of our two recent national championships.
Understanding Morris’s role in our program’s trajectory is important here.
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Letterman [150]
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I support Dabo.
Nov 30, 2022, 8:52 AM
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He must understand, however, the frustration. If best is the standard, this will mark the 2nd year in a row that our offense did not finish in the top 50 in the county!
I get we lost two generational qbs, but outside of the top 50??
Something has to change, I trust he will.
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You missed the memo from Dabo
Nov 30, 2022, 9:03 AM
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It's no longer "Best is the Standard" it's now "Imma do what's right and y'all can deal with it."
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All-American [583]
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Re: You missed the memo from Dabo
Nov 30, 2022, 9:14 AM
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That's exactly what I heard from Dabo's comments. He is going to do it his way, regardless of the record or the feedback or the Clemson fan attendance that shows up at the ACC Championship. Regardless, Go Tigers!
ACC Championship: Our defense will win this ACC Championship if we can get the safeties to play far enough back to be in position to intercept a couple of passes. All the offense has to do is run the ball successfully. You can do it!
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Gridiron Giant [15431]
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Re: You missed the memo from Dabo
Nov 30, 2022, 9:30 AM
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If safeties are covering WRs man-to-man, Maye will throw for 500+ yards. Goodwin better come up with something different.
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Re: You missed the memo from Dabo
Nov 30, 2022, 9:37 AM
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I honestly hate to say a whole lot about the defense. They are up against the wall with this offense. One of the luxuries Venables enjoyed was having a good to great team on the other side of the ball.
Defense got us 9 points counting the point after the pick 6.
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Recruit [97]
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My two tix to the ACC title game
Nov 30, 2022, 12:24 PM
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...are going unused.
Dont call it a boycott, per se. Our decision no to go - and maybe not even watch on TV - is based in our ongoing fight with PTDJD: Post Traumatic DJ Disorder.
It'd be hard to watch him literally** throw another one away.
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Re: Some of you pumpers don’t seem to understand
Nov 30, 2022, 9:16 AM
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We had an offense that put up 40 points a game until the last 2 years. Something is wrong
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CU Medallion [19652]
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2.5 inches?***
Nov 30, 2022, 9:17 AM
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Re: Some of you pumpers don’t seem to understand
Nov 30, 2022, 9:27 AM
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Chad Morris was a high school coach when he was hired by Clemson.
Brent Venables had just been named co-defensive coordinator (after having been the sole defensive coordinator) at Oklahoma, and was best known for being run out of the building by Southern Cal in the title game.
Neither of them were prominent coordinators at the time they were hired. This is revisionist history.
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Ultimate Tiger [37014]
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Re: Some of you pumpers don’t seem to understand
Nov 30, 2022, 9:38 AM
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Chad Morris was a high school coach when he was hired by Clemson.
Brent Venables had just been named co-defensive coordinator (after having been the sole defensive coordinator) at Oklahoma, and was best known for being run out of the building by Southern Cal in the title game.
Neither of them were prominent coordinators at the time they were hired. This is revisionist history.
And if you remember Oklahoma was glad to see him leave if my memory serves me right.
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110%er [4082]
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Tell Bama and OSU that they can buy a national championship***
Nov 30, 2022, 9:41 AM
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Re: But they were from the outside and not friends
Nov 30, 2022, 10:15 AM
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Yeah, I don't buy that argument. You're just trying to make it an easy fix and think if we just had a new coordinator, we would win championships again.
This is just something to not have to face the real issue, which is that the talent level is as not as good as it was in years past, and that's why the team isn't as good.
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Re: But they were from the outside and not friends
Nov 30, 2022, 10:30 AM
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No one thing brought us down from where we were 2016-2019 to where we are today and I believe no one thing is going to fix all the issues either. It took a few years to drop to this point from where we were and it will take some time to get back there as well. We were breathing some rare air and I really hope we can get back there. I’m almost 60 years old and I’m extremely grateful to have experienced the top of the mountain in 1981 and 2016-2018. Just don’t mistake that gratitude for complacency. It is possible to be happy for what you have/had and still want more.
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Re: But they were from the outside and not friends
Nov 30, 2022, 11:24 AM
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Honestly it is onee thing. The players now aren't as good as the previous players.
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I think you might need to recheck your history.
Nov 30, 2022, 12:09 PM
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Brent Venables was regarded as one of the best defensive coordinators in the country when we hired him. He received a big contract from us at that time.
Venables was arguably the most high profile coordinator we had ever hired at Clemson (and still is).
Morris was the offensive coordinator at Tulsa when we hired him to be our offensive coordinator. He was known for his innovative offenses, which he brought with him to Clemson. While he wasn't a big name, it is dismissive to say that he was just "a high school coach."
Both Venables and Morris are of a much higher quality than our current coordinators, by a long shot.
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Orange Blooded [2514]
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Re: Some of you pumpers don’t seem to understand
Nov 30, 2022, 9:59 AM
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Some of you TIGERS should have lived thru the Frank Howard and Hootie Ingram days.
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Legend [16126]
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10-2 and playing for an ACC Championship. Talk to me...
Nov 30, 2022, 10:21 AM
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at the end of the season. If we are 12-2 ACC, Orange Bowl Champs with a win over Bama or Penn State...We will be ok.
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Orange Elite [5233]
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Talk to me after we lose to UNC…
Nov 30, 2022, 11:24 AM
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Then will the sunshine pumping stop?
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CU Guru [1857]
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Re: Talk to me after we lose to UNC…
Dec 5, 2022, 4:04 PM
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That didn't age well.....
Go Tigers!
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Re: Some of you pumpers don’t seem to understand
Nov 30, 2022, 10:42 AM
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The coaching staff has determined that DJ has provided us the best chance to win each contest this year so far over the other QB's on the roster. When he was pulled vs Syracuse, they felt Cade gave us a better chance to win there in those circumstances.
Should the coaches then NOT play the QB that they feel gives the team the best chance to win? Does that not fly in the face of "Best is the Standard" were they to start or play a QB that they felt did not provide the team the best opportunity?
Considering his recent coordinator promotions, do you feel that Dabo wasn't preparing these two for advancement into higher roles when those positions opened up? Do you think he was wrong to have done the same with Jeff Scott and Tony Elliott prior in the OC position? Could / should he have done better back then also?
As far as trajectory, it's been a bumpy stretch here for sure, but both DJ and the offense improved over last year, Streeter's first OC year, Ship is a better pass catcher this season, and we're in the league championship game with a title shot three days from now. It's not 2015-2020 level, but this season has been better than just about every other under Dabo, including last year.
Go Tigers.
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Re: Excellent Viewpoint!
Nov 30, 2022, 11:20 AM
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Dabo aka the $1,000,000 per game gaslighting con man youth pastor, has been losing ground rapidly over the past 3 seasons. Do you think he earned his salary of $1-million/game? How many games? Why is he refusing to embrace the changes in college football, thus causing the program to fall further behind? Why has he been allowed to freely use his friends & family charity program? Is there any accountability?
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Re: Some of you pumpers don’t seem to understand
Nov 30, 2022, 11:27 AM
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If there isn't one game we should have not lost it was the USC game. Unacceptable unacceptable unacceptable. The loss further magnifies our glaring deficiencies in coaching and key critical positions. Neither the oc or DC made adequate adjustments in their individual game plans. I saw that as well as the rest of my family here on t+net. I'm upset and we are all upset. Something has to chance.
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Orange Blooded [3624]
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Re: Some of you pumpers don’t seem to understand
Dec 2, 2022, 8:08 AM
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Exactly
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Game Changer [1657]
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Re: Some of you pumpers don’t seem to understand
Dec 2, 2022, 9:37 AM
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Thanks for explaining but I trust DABO!!!!
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Game Changer [2088]
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Re: Some of you pumpers don’t seem to understand
Dec 2, 2022, 8:51 PM
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Every school in the country would be willing to take Dabo off your hands, you ingrates
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Dec 3, 2022, 9:44 AM
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Yes, and he would be expected to hire the best coordinators and coaches in the country. Do you think he would hire his current coordinators or open up a nationwide search for the best?
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Re: Some of you pumpers don’t seem to understand
Dec 2, 2022, 9:34 PM
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Ok but like you literally have zero input or power over any of that so what is the point in constantly whining about it?
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Here’s a bet.
Dec 2, 2022, 9:39 PM
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I’ll wager that within 1-year 40% of the participants of this post will not have a TigerNet account or will have a different user name if they do.
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Imo, we bottomed out last season.
Dec 3, 2022, 1:04 AM
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While we didn't progress much we are a bit better this year. Next year should see a bigger jump in the quality of our team.
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What you dumpers don’t seem to understand
Dec 4, 2022, 6:53 PM
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is that Cade would have taken over if he had won the job.
The same way Deshaun and Trevor tool over, WHEN THEY WERE READY.
Some guys take longer to mature and develop than others. Cade wasnt readt nake like DW amd TL, but he took over WHEN HE WAS READY.
You're speaking out both sides of your mouth.
You have to be some kind of weirdo to suggest the 7th ranked team is off the tracks.
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Freshman [-100]
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Dec 4, 2022, 7:16 PM
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11 Million a year------should be subject to criticism over the dumpster fire this season on offense. Popcorn ACC schedule coverup
a lot of blemishes
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Orange Blooded [2437]
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Re: Some of you pumpers don’t seem to understand
Dec 4, 2022, 8:14 PM
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Hmmmm.... I remember a LOT of crying when BV was hired. Oklahomas defense was a"laughing stock" and couldnt stop a warm breeze. The crying was even worse when we hired a "high school coach". Dabo has done quite a few things, over the years, that has caused TNet to cry and whine. I cant explain why he kept DJ in as long as he did. Cade has had some down moments, but he definitely proved himself on Sat. Dabo deserves more than a bit of our patience
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Dec 5, 2022, 2:08 PM
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4 Cindys
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Re: Some of you pumpers don’t seem to understand
Dec 5, 2022, 2:32 PM
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you want to be a little more clear in your statement? What exactly is it your trying to point out?
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Orange Blooded [2358]
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Let's bring back Tommy Bowden or Tommy West***
Dec 5, 2022, 3:37 PM
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