So, your argument is that we almost met minimal standards in the 9th-12th years of his tenure so we should definitely keep him, but maybe not. Way to close that debate.

Regular NCAA participation with an occasional top 20 year.

The feeling that we are building towards something in the years when we are not as successful.

We are mediocre and not exciting.

Yes, we are not horrible.

It's mostly lack of talent no matter what anyone says, but the recent inability or unwillingness to develop players is an issue for me as a fan.

There is only one way to characterize the current state of Clemson basketball, and the entire tenure under Brownell: With a few very short-lived exceptions, it has been a very frustrating, disappointing exercise in relative mediocrity. Period. Anything else is a huge stinking pile of BS.

More power to anyone who is fine with that, or is so blinded by loyalty that they can't face the reality. Personally, I'd like to see Clemson compete a a little higher level, and I believe we can without selling our souls.

I see the post trying to troll judge Keller on a statement he made going into the season after our sweet 16 run. So I thought I would go back and look at what happened.....

I hear a ton of people on the board cry about how terrible brownell is, but if you actually take a step back and put your lil emotions aside, you would see that we are very close to getting over the hump with brownell. If we had some luck go our way, like landing Zion or Shelton Mitchell not getting injured, we would be looking at 3 tourneys in 5 years, a sweet 16 run, beating unc on the road, abd beating 4 top 10 teams.

So what are your expectations? NCAA tourney every year? Top 4 in acc every year?

If being very close to 3 ncaa tourney in 5 years, makes brownell awful, then I feel bad for the next coach with those expectations.

2019 - we went 20-14 and 9-9 in conference. We were a bubble team and one could make an argument that we should have made the tourney. Zion was going to come to Clemson and fill in be try nicely as a grantham replacement. Unfortunately Duke bought him. Our assistant coach that tried to buy him was promptly fired. Shelton Mitchell was injured all year and he was not the same as he was the previous year.also, if I remember correctly, reed tried to do too much and his shot was inconsistent

2020: everybody knew going into this season that it was going to be a down year. We didn't have a great record and didn't make the tourney. Despite this, we had 3 exciting top 10 wins, and also beat UNC at home for the first time ever.

2021: shortened covid year. This was one of the best regular seasons in Clemson basketball history. We beat a school record, 8 NCAA tourney teams in the regular season. We unfortunately lost in the first round of the tourney to a good Rutgers team.

2022: it was a pretty abysmal year, and we performed well below expectations. We had a lot of injuries that contributed to that, but it still wasn't a good year.

2023: we need to make the tourney this year, or There is a chance BB will be fired, and I would be ok with that.