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A lot of the EOs won't survive the judicial system. There's no way Trump
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Jan 24, 2025, 9:32 AM
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believed this one would survive. I think he's just trying to give the impression that he tried to follow through on his campaign promises.
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Re: A lot of the EOs won't survive the judicial system. There's no way Trump
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Jan 24, 2025, 10:01 AM
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there is still hope we can have separate water fountains again, only takes 2/3rds the house and 3/4's of the states.
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Re: Less than a week in office, Trump already smacked down by a court
Jan 24, 2025, 9:50 AM
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Apeeled alreddy
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Re: Less than a week in office, Trump already smacked down by a court
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Jan 24, 2025, 9:56 AM
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Cool, so smackdown #2 is imminent.
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Now we'll find out what "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" means... SC???***
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Jan 24, 2025, 9:53 AM
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The whole purpose of this particular EO was to get the issue
Jan 24, 2025, 10:00 AM
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before the courts to get an eventual adjudication by the SCOTUS. This was certainly not unexpected.
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Re: The whole purpose of this particular EO was to get the issue
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Jan 24, 2025, 10:02 AM
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give it a few months, we can take president Johnson out of the history books in Iowa.
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Orange Phenom [14732]
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So was segregation until it wasn't....
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Jan 24, 2025, 10:48 AM
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See Plessy v Ferguson then Brown vs Board of Education.... By the way it was largely the same SCOTUS that ruled segregation was Constitutional as did the United States v. Wong Kim Ark case.
Point being - issues can get a relook at any time and change. I find it hard to believe that when the States and Congress passed the 14th Amendment in 1866 that they intended for US citizenship to be so open that birth tourism would be acceptable in gaining US Citizenship. Truth be told the 14th Amendment was passed during reconstruction to protect former Slaves from being denied rights.
The "birthright citizenship" portion of 14th Amendment needs a present day adjudication by the SCOTUS where it can consider how it is being applied today. Let both sides of the issue argue a position and have the SCOTUS rule on it. From whatever comes of the SCOTUS decision - Congress and the States can then decide if they want to do anything to change that outcome or not.
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Re: So was segregation until it wasn't....
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Jan 24, 2025, 1:38 PM
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Of course that wasn't the original intent of the 14th amendment until suddenly it was. Now it's treated as the gospel by people who welcome alien invaders with open arms and free housing, medical care and EBT cards. Imagine that.
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Re: The whole purpose of this particular EO was to get the issue
Jan 24, 2025, 1:11 PM
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before the courts to get an eventual adjudication by the SCOTUS. This was certainly not unexpected.
Do not confuse the attorney on the board who does not understand that
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Jan 24, 2025, 10:23 AM
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No way to get the SC to make a decision on this otherwise, so this isn't unexpected nor will the left suing to stop many other of his EOs be unexpected. Don't think there's a high likelihood of the SC deciding birthright citizenship suddenly isn't a thing but anything Trump can do to let pregnant illegals know they aren't welcome here is welcomed. There's absolutely no upside to our society paying for a pregnant female to give birth and raise a child here on the govt dole no matter how many egg head jurists claim its right there in the Constitution and that we have to embrace it happening.
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Things aren't unconstitutional just because you/we don't like them...
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Jan 24, 2025, 10:29 AM
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that's not how laws and the legal system work.
The order is clearly unconstitutional as the judge points out. Getting it to the SCOTUS isn't going to change that.
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Laws are written subject to interpretation...***
Jan 24, 2025, 10:34 AM
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Do you believe any reasonable interpretation of the Constitution...
Jan 24, 2025, 1:14 PM
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supports this EO. If so, how?
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"...subject to the jurisdiction thereof"... Illegal aliens AREN'T! They're just
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Jan 24, 2025, 1:54 PM
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ILLEGAL!
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You better be careful with such liberal interpretations of amendments
Jan 24, 2025, 4:02 PM
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You don’t want that smoke
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"
Are you a member of a militia? No, then I guess you don’t need that gun then.
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But I am, the "citizen" militia. Wanna join? In my case, "that" doesn't apply.***
Jan 24, 2025, 4:09 PM
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The ability to construct a coherent sentence also does not apply to you***
Jan 24, 2025, 4:48 PM
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Apparently that's YOUR problem.***
Jan 24, 2025, 4:51 PM
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As was said in the hearing referenced in the OP...
Jan 24, 2025, 4:18 PM
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if an illegal commits a crime in the US, are they not subject to the jurisdiction of United States court system?
The lawyer for the admin agreed they were and OF COURSE they are.
Again, no one with any sense is going to interpret that clause to say they aren't.
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If illegal, they're subject to deportation, pregnancy and motherhood aside.***
Jan 24, 2025, 4:43 PM
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The Constitution gets interpreted. New laws result.***
Jan 24, 2025, 1:55 PM
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this will get to SCOTUS and there is no whay that
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CJ Roberts or J Coney Barrett agree with Trump. I think J Gorsuch joins the majority as well.
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Re: Less than a week in office, Trump already smacked down by a court
Jan 24, 2025, 11:54 AM
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He knew, but it's about getting it to the Supreme Court.
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MAGAs love the constitution; til they dont
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Jan 24, 2025, 1:33 PM
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They’re already attacking the 14th amendment; they’ll probably go after the 15th next.
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Re: MAGAs love the constitution; til they dont
Jan 24, 2025, 1:37 PM
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Because the number 15 follows the number 14?
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15. Right to vote not prohibited by race***
Jan 24, 2025, 3:53 PM
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Trump is your President
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