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CU Guru [1528]
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Leaving Penn St for Clemson IS NOT
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Jan 14, 2025, 7:43 AM
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A lateral move.
Keep seeing the narrative.
Clemson has the 2nd most championship appearances in the CFP era.
Clemson has the 2nd most CFP appearances in the country.
Clemson is tied for 2nd in championships in the CFP era.
Penn State has 1 playoff appearance.
Clemson is a step up in every regard.
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Re: Leaving Penn St for Clemson IS NOT
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Jan 14, 2025, 7:44 AM
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Amen brother!! You tell em!!!
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Re: Leaving Penn St for Clemson IS NOT
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Jan 14, 2025, 7:46 AM
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It's only a lateral move if you are using it as a stepping stone to someplace else. I think this is a big improvement over Wes, if for no other reason than Wes was never really cut out to be a coordinator. Weak people skills. Darn good analyst, though. I would like to see hime stay here in that role.
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Re: Leaving Penn St for Clemson IS NOT
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Jan 14, 2025, 7:50 AM
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No. Once you cut a person loose, you let them move on, esp. If they were the boss. No one likes working on the same team with someone who used to be person in command.
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Re: Leaving Penn St for Clemson IS NOT
Jan 14, 2025, 8:58 AM
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It's only a lateral move if you are using it as a stepping stone to someplace else. I think this is a big improvement over Wes, if for no other reason than Wes was never really cut out to be a coordinator. Weak people skills. Darn good analyst, though. I would like to see hime stay here in that role.
You may be correct but how can someone say a person who they have never met in person has weak people skills?
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Re: Leaving Penn St for Clemson IS NOT
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Jan 14, 2025, 7:51 AM
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Penn St had some great teams under Paterno but most of that time they were an independent. When they joined the BIG they havent been quite as strong because you can't pick and choose weak teams to play.
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Top TigerNet [32816]
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it's definitely a downward move
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Jan 14, 2025, 8:05 AM
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by about 650 miles.
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Re: Leaving Penn St for Clemson IS NOT
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Jan 14, 2025, 8:09 AM
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Penn state is a Blue blood. Clemson has been better in the playoff era but when comparing our two history I’d definitely say it’s a lateral move if you’re an outsider looking at the two programs. Now we’re bias and believe Dabo has created the better work environment. So in that sense Clemson is the better job. Outsiders don’t know that though.
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Re: Leaving Penn St for Clemson IS NOT
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Jan 14, 2025, 9:02 AM
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Penn state is a Blue blood. Clemson has been better in the playoff era but when comparing our two history I’d definitely say it’s a lateral move if you’re an outsider looking at the two programs. Now we’re bias and believe Dabo has created the better work environment. So in that sense Clemson is the better job. Outsiders don’t know that though.
In general, I believe you are correct as Penn St has everything needed to compete at the highest levels (great conference, plenty of funding, big fan base, good history, etc). Not sure their HC is the right guy but is debatable. They have two NC's but that was 40 years ago.
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Re: You are way too generous with your blue blood moniker
Jan 14, 2025, 9:49 AM
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He’s right according to Google….
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Re: You are way too generous with your blue blood moniker
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Jan 14, 2025, 10:36 AM
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You believe everything on the internet!!!
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Re: You are way too generous with your blue blood moniker
Jan 14, 2025, 12:50 PM
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You do realize Google’s AI was telling folks to use glue to help hold cheese on homemade pizza? It did remind folks to use non-toxic glue though.
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Re: You are way too generous with your blue blood moniker
Jan 14, 2025, 4:38 PM
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Honestly Blue blood is Subjective. I see them as Blue blood because they are a team I’ve always known about and has been relevant since I’ve been alive. UGA only had 1 NC up till 2021 but I considered them to be a blue blood.
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Game Day Hero [4330]
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Re: Leaving Penn St for Clemson IS NOT
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Jan 14, 2025, 8:10 AM
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Lateral move or not, we are happy to have him. Definitely an improvement over Wes. I liked Wes, but he just didn't have the persona nor experience to be an onfield coach.
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I don't care if it WAS considered a lateral move, some climates, both
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Jan 14, 2025, 8:11 AM
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weatherwise and work environment wise, are just better than others.
Signed,
Been There, Done THAT!
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Re: I don't care if it WAS considered a lateral move, some climates, both
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Jan 14, 2025, 8:26 AM
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Since 2020 (doesn't include our 5 Best years)
Clemson 7 Penn St 12 (Coots 72)
Team Win-Loss Record Win % MOV ATS +/-
Georgia 61-7-0 89.7% 21.3 +1.2
Ohio St 53-9-0 85.5% 21.4 +1.4
Alabama 58-10-0 85.3% 20.5 +0.4
Notre Dame 54-12-0 81.8% 17.0 +6.1
Michigan 50-12-0 80.7% 15.7 +3.0
Oregon 49-13-0 79.0% 13.5 -0.1
Clemson 50-16-0 75.8% 13.2 -2.3
James Mad 28-9-0 75.7% 14.4 +3.7
Liberty 47-16-0 74.6% 10.3 -0.4
BYU 45-18-0 71.4% 8.6 +2.2
Mississippi 44-18-0 71.0% 11.4 +1.7
Penn St 45-19-0 70.3% 14.2 +2.1
Coastal Car 45-19-0 70.3% 6.7 +0.6
S Methodist 44-19-0 69.8% 11.7 +0.8
UTSA 46-20-0 69.7% 7.5 +2.0
Texas 45-20-0 69.2% 13.5 +2.0
Louisiana 45-20-0 69.2% 7.5 +1.3
Boise St 42-19-0 68.9% 10.0 +0.8
Memphis 42-20-0 67.7% 7.4 +0.3
Iowa 42-20-0 67.7% 6.1 +2.4
Oklahoma 42-21-0 66.7% 11.3 -0.8
Army 42-21-0 66.7% 9.0 +2.1
Washington 38-19-0 66.7% 6.1 -1.4
Toledo 39-21-0 65.0% 8.9 -0.8
Air Force 37-20-0 64.9% 8.1 +1.0
Tennessee 40-22-0 64.5% 12.2 +2.3
Fresno St 38-21-0 64.4% 7.6 -0.4
Ohio 36-20-0 64.3% 4.9 +1.9
Cincinnati 39-22-0 63.9% 8.8 +0.1
Kansas St 40-23-0 63.5% 7.6 +3.3
LSU 40-23-0 63.5% 7.1 +0.6
NC State 40-23-0 63.5% 4.6 +0.4
Marshall 39-23-0 62.9% 6.8 +0.4
Jksnville St 20-12-0 62.5% 5.7 +6.2
Oklahoma St 40-24-0 62.5% 3.0 -1.4
Utah 36-22-0 62.1% 9.3 +1.5
App State 39-24-0 61.9% 7.2 -1.5
Texas A&M 37-23-0 61.7% 9.0 -0.7
Miami (OH) 35-22-0 61.4% 4.6 +2.4
TX Christian 38-24-0 61.3% 4.8 -0.6
Missouri 38-24-0 61.3% 2.3 0.0
Miami 37-24-0 60.7% 7.6 -1.7
Tulane 40-26-0 60.6% 7.3 +2.8
USC 35-23-0 60.3% 6.1 -2.6
Iowa St 38-26-0 59.4% 6.8 +0.8
Minnesota 35-24-0 59.3% 5.4 +0.9
Troy 37-26-0 58.7% 3.9 +1.0
W Kentucky 39-28-0 58.2% 5.1 +0.5
UCLA 33-24-0 57.9% 5.4 +0.9
Louisville 37-27-0 57.8% 7.5 +2.8
Pittsburgh 36-27-0 57.1% 5.7 +0.8
N Carolina 37-28-0 56.9% 5.7 -2.8
San Jose St 33-25-0 56.9% 2.6 +0.4
Wisconsin 32-26-0 55.2% 5.0 -2.3
Oregon St 32-26-0 55.2% 4.3 +1.8
Florida St 33-27-0 55.0% 3.1 -2.2
UCF 34-28-0 54.8% 6.9 -2.0
Texas Tech 34-28-0 54.8% 0.7 -0.4
S Alabama 33-29-0 53.2% 5.0 +2.0
Kentucky 33-29-0 53.2% 2.1 -1.2
Houston 31-28-0 52.5% 0.8 -1.0
W Virginia 32-29-0 52.5% 1.4 -0.6
Florida 33-30-0 52.4% 3.9 -2.3
Maryland 29-27-0 51.8% 0.3 -0.6
Illinois 30-28-0 51.7% 0.6 +2.7
Wake Forest 31-29-0 51.7% 2.3 -0.2
Wash State 28-27-0 50.9% 3.1 +0.9
Buffalo 29-28-0 50.9% 2.1 +1.0
E Michigan 29-28-0 50.9% -2.0 -0.4
San Diego St 30-29-0 50.9% 0.0 -1.4
Baylor 31-30-0 50.8% 3.0 +0.6
S Carolina 31-30-0 50.8% 0.9 +2.4
Duke 31-31-0 50.0% -1.3 -0.3
Sam Hous St 13-13-0 50.0% -2.4 +1.4
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Game Day Hero [4330]
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Re: I don't care if it WAS considered a lateral move, some climates, both
Jan 14, 2025, 10:33 AM
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What exactly is your point here? That our record is better than Penn State so it's not a lateral move?
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Meh. I think everyone needs to relax on the program hierarchy.
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Jan 14, 2025, 9:56 AM
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Penn State is a top notch program. Clemson is a top notch program. There are dozens of intangibles that would make one leave Penn State and go to Clemson, or perhaps vice versa. Lifestyle, culture, location, weather, money, family ties...yadda yadda yadda. It's all good. Glad it worked out for us this time.
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Most people consider Penn State the better program right now.
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Jan 14, 2025, 10:34 AM
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If you look at the most recent seasons, as in the last several, they are better. They have won more games and finished ranked higher than us. Their playoff run this year is superior to anything we have done since 2020.
You are referencing data which is farther back, mostly from the 2010s, to bolster your argument. While our run then was phenomenal, and far superior to anything Penn State has ever accomplished, it isn't really relevant when looking at where programs are right now.
We also have to consider that Penn State plays in a much better football conference. That matters too when looking at strength of a program, especially as it relates to quality of wins and path to the postseason.
From an objective point of view, this move for Allen is viewed as a lateral move at best. I don't have a problem with that.
With that said, I do think we have potential to be better than Penn State due to several factors. First, I think Dabo is a better coach than Franklin. Two, we are in a much more fertile recruiting area than Penn State is. Three, we play in a weaker conference and therefore have an easier path to win our conference and make the playoffs.
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Re: Most people consider Penn State the better program right now.
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Jan 14, 2025, 10:37 AM
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Nice Jab Keller!!
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Re: Most people consider Penn State the better program right now.
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The south is a more fertile recruiting area, but we have much more competition. Penn State owns the states of PA and NJ (which are no slouch) and is arguably the top northeast program, with ND being very popular as well.
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Clemson/Swinney > PSU/Franklin
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in anyone's book.
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Can't have it both ways
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Jan 14, 2025, 10:58 AM
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So did you get a DC from a great program or did you get a DC from a lesser program? You want to defend Clemson as better than Penn State but you also want to convince yourself you pulled a DC from an elite program, can't have it both ways.
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Re: Can't have it both ways
Jan 14, 2025, 11:07 AM
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Your logic is broken. The two arent mutually exclusive
Penn State can still be a great program AND Tom Allen could have taken a step up. Let that rattle around in your brain for a bit
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Looks to me like Hall trusts Dabo a lot more than Franklin.***
Jan 14, 2025, 11:32 AM
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Re: Looks to me like Hall trusts Dabo a lot more than Franklin.***
Jan 14, 2025, 12:53 PM
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Cousins in Ohio says going to a downgraded school in a conference that shouldn't even be rated. Says anything not in the BIG is a downgrade. Don't say Ohio State without saying THE in front of their name.
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It's not a bad thing that we are a lateral move from Penn State. As a program
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we are definitely peers with PSU. They have more money, more fans, more wins, more bowls, more lots of things... but we can hold our own just fine.
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Re: Leaving Penn St for Clemson IS NOT
Jan 14, 2025, 3:54 PM
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Keep hearing people say that this is a lateral move by Allen. I couldn’t disagree more. When is the last time Penn St won everything of significance. It took the playoff expanding to 12 for them to even stiff the playoff. Clemson has the second most playoff appearances & 2 national championships this decade . I guarantee you that in the last decade Clemson has had more defensive players drafted than Penn St & I know they have more first round picks. When Venables left Clemson he was making over 2 million a year so Clemson can pay as much or more as Penn St. Clemson has an easier path to conference championships than Penn St. & tell me who would you rather work for Dabo or James Franklin. Also much better weather in Clemson & easier access to high school talent in the Southeast. And if all this isn’t enough the icing on the cake would you rather being living in Clemson on Lake Hartwell or in Happy Valley. I know where I rather be. So don’t tell me this is a lateral move because I am not buying it.
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Re: Leaving Penn St for Clemson IS NOT
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Jan 14, 2025, 3:56 PM
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Does anyone really care?
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