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Just Shared This In A Comment
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Jun 28, 2024, 8:16 PM
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Though, it may be worth sharing again. I've had many debates/discussions with other users of Tigernet.com on the boards. I'm not afraid to stand up for the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
To debunk any doubt of the existence of Christ we must first examine a few things.
1. Is there even a God? I have arrived at the conclusion that there is because of Genesis 1:26, whereby we were created in the image and likeness of God. This means we also harness the emotional and mental likeness of God as well. We are the only species on Earth that has a moral sense of right and wrong. No other species experiences guilt for harming another being. Gorillas do not care if they kill another gorilla. Their carnal nature prevents such.
2. Is there ancient literature about Christ aside from Biblical text? Of course, there existed several Roman/Greek authors who wrote books that referenced Christ. They weren't necessarily Christian authors either. Some of them actually published blasphemous material about Christ because they still worshipped ancient Greek gods.
Phlegon (ca. AD 140) Thallus (ca. AD 55) Celsus (ca. AD 175) Lucian of Samosata (ca. AD 166) Mara Bar Serapion (ca. AD 73) Pliny the Younger (ca. AD 112) Suetonius (ca. AD 120) Josephus (ca. AD 93) Tacitus (ca. AD 116)
All of the above authors wrote of Christ or Yeshua Bin Yosef, the 1st Century Rabbi.
3. Pontius Pilate's letter to Tiberius which describes the execution of Christ has been discovered. This proves that he was indeed crucified. (ref. The Anaphora Pilati)
4. Approximately 2,500 prophecies are written in scripture and nearly 300 of them were fulfilled by non-believers. In fact, the prophetic utterances were in reference to actions or fates of non-believers and such events came to pass. Many if not all of the prophecies are independent of each other as well. The odds that all of these prophecies having been fulfilled by chance without error is less than 1 in 10 to the 2000th power. That's a 10 with 2000 zeros. (INSANE ODDS)
5. The disciples of Christ were brutally humiliated and killed for their belief in Christ. Who would choose to die in such a manner to protect or defend a lie when in every case they could have denied Christ and saved themselves from certain death?
Those are just some of the top 5 points I could make to use as the case for Christ, but the list is far from exhaustive. In short, there exists too much evidence of the existence of Christ and His goodness to simply turn away with complete negligence.
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Thx for your testimony & teaching ChestyPuller0311
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Jun 28, 2024, 8:21 PM
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Go JESUS!
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Re: Thx for your testimony & teaching ChestyPuller0311
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Jun 28, 2024, 8:24 PM
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GO JESUS INDEED.... I am a self-professed piece of garbage, and to realize that Christ would use a wretch like me to reach others unto salvation is the most humbling experience I've ever known. He saves us not because we are garbage, but because we are precious in His sight. So, in my own reflection I am trash, but God sees me differently. He sees me as fearfully and wonderfully made.
GO TIGERS!
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Re: Thx for your testimony & teaching ChestyPuller0311
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Jun 29, 2024, 11:16 AM
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A few words in this post of my favorite Gospel Song...Amazing Grace and the words a wretch like me.
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Re: Thx for your testimony & teaching ChestyPuller0311
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Jun 29, 2024, 3:51 PM
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Yes ..... and remember the Apostle Paul called himself as wretch. If he was, I certainly am!
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Re: Thx for your testimony & teaching ChestyPuller0311
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Jun 29, 2024, 3:55 PM
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Yes ..... and remember the Apostle Paul called himself as wretch. If he was, I certainly am!
The correct expression was, "the chief of sinners". I agree, if Christ can save the chief of sinners, then he can save anyone.
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The Blasphemy of The Pharisee Explained
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14 Then the Pharisees went out, and held a council against him, how they might destroy him.
15 But when Jesus knew it, he withdrew himself from thence: and great multitudes followed him, and he healed them all;
16 And charged them that they should not make him known:
17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying,
18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.
19 He shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets.
20 A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.
21 And in his name shall the Gentiles trust.
22 Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw.
23 And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David?
24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.
28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.
30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.
39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
You see, the Pharisee knew the law of God and they knew in their hearts that Christ was the fulfillment of the law. Yet, they chose to deny Him before men and even slander His name among the counsel of others. Not because they disbelieved Him, but because they knew that in acknowledging them, they would have to surrender their authority to Him and become as everyone else to serve Him.
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Often, Israel's conquers took the affuent from the land and moved them...
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to the conquers' homeland. They left the poor to tend the vineyards, crops and animals. The poor had no time to rebel against authority for they had to provide for themselves.
The Roman Empire didn't always operate as previous conquers. Like the others, Rome installed men to govern and allow the conquered to operate as usual. Rome's goal was to use those who had the greatest influence to participate in government thereby owning the leaders they owned authority in many facets of the Hebrew's lives.
The Pharisee were handpicked by Rome because they had the greatest political influence on the behavior of the Hebrew people. Pharisees had religious and governing authority but although their governing authority was valuable to them they were on a short lease.
Christ, God in the flesh, was a threat to their political and religious power and earthly wealth. Christianity was more than a threat. It was the crushing blow to Judaism.
The Temple and Synagogues were all run by Rome via hand picked religious leaders who would go along to get along. Jesus was a threat to their jobs, their political status, their influence on the Hebrew people and their livelihood. They were enemies of Christ in every imaginable way.
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Re: Just Shared This In A Comment
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Jun 28, 2024, 8:58 PM
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I love, respect and have faith in your post.
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Re: Just Shared This In A Comment
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Jun 28, 2024, 9:07 PM
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I love, respect and have faith in your post.
My posts are rubbish, have faith in Christ. GO TIGERS!
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Re: Just Shared This In A Comment
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Jun 28, 2024, 9:27 PM
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As a follower of Christ thanks for sharing your faith. The world we live in is anti God. God gets in the way of people living the way they want to. If people choose not to believe that's between them and God. But always remember that every knee shall bow before God and be held accountable for their lives.
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Jun 28, 2024, 10:09 PM
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I don’t think the world is anti-God…some believe, others don’t. Like you said, live and let live. However, where people have a legit beef with Christians is when we get stuff line in LA with the Ten Commandments and in OK with the mandatory classroom teaching of the Bible. That’s not live and let live…
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Re: Just Shared This In A Comment
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We are given free will whether to believe or not, so you can ignore anything you want. You did not say that your were not a believer. But don't you find it odd that one man could have such a lasting impact on the world based on a big lie. I always go back to what has been said many times about Jesus Christ. Either he was a liar, a lunatic, or Lord. I have found nothing in the Bible that would indicate that he lied, nor anything that he did seemed like he was a lunatic, so that only really leaves one option ...... that he was how he said he was.
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Re: Just Shared This In A Comment
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Jun 28, 2024, 9:41 PM
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Thank you. These are wonderful resources.
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Heres my question
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Since only 35% or so of the world population is Christians, what happens to everybody else? Do you think they all go to ####?
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I, like the original poster, also embrace the existence of
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Jun 28, 2024, 10:59 PM
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Jesus , and by extension God the Father. First let me say that to deny the existence of God would essentially require infinite knowledge of the universe. You would have to have that level of knowledge to reach an evidence based conclusion that He does not exist.
Now if He does indeed exist, then He has infinite knowledge of the laws of physics, the properties of chemistry, and the systems of biology. If that God exists, and all denominations of Christianity believes that He does, wouldn’t a far better question be what does He think about (using your statistic) the 65% who do not believe?
Now I have a question. If everything the Bible claims is a lie, but I live my life according to the teachings of Christ, love your neighbor as yourself, serve others, give above and beyond what is asked, especially to those that oppose and mock you, in the final analysis myself and Adolph Hitler have the same fate, oblivion. On the other hand if everything the Bible teaches is absolutely true, then those who die without saving faith in Christ, do indeed spend eternity separated from the author of life in a place called ####.
Who is running the greater risk if he or she is wrong the one who lives for Christ or the one who does not?
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What about you, personally?
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You have heard the gospel message of salvation.
Have you accepted that message or rejected it?
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Interesting stuff. Thanks for sharing. I came across this video yesterday.
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I have really enjoyed the content on this fellow's Youtube channel (Daily dose of wisdom). The title of the video is "Dr. Turek Makes A BRILLIANT Case for GOD (Using Science & Logic)". I'll paste the link below. Dr. Frank Turek is also the author of the book "I don't have enough faith to be an Athiest". I highly recommend this book for every follower of Christ and everyone seeking.
P.S. - I really identified with your garbage statement. I am amazed by His grace towards me every day. One of the greatest gifts I received when I surrendered my heart to Him, was being able to see all the hidden junk and sin in my heart. Amazing Grace indeed! I lived 30 years running from and WILLFULLY ignoring God... now I can't imagine a second without Him! He turns ashes into beauty!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6EXoPk8yO8&t=272s
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Frank Turek is a fine apologist.
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He has written several books, the most noted is "I don't have enough faith to be an atheist."
I highly recommend it.
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Nice summary of apologetics.
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Thanks.
1. The universe had a beginning. Either nothing took nothing and created something out of nothing or something created something out of nothing. Which is more reasonable?
2. The universe is amazingly and remarkably fine tuned. It gives all the evidence that would be expected from being designed by an intelligence.
3. Life on earth had a beginning. Either this life came about by random chance or it was created and designed by an intelligence. Either there is an intelligence behind the creation and design of life or "time plus chance = you." Which is more reasonable?
Those 3 statements point to the existence of God. They, alone, do not point to the existence of God as explained in the Bible. (Judeo-Christianity).
4. Jesus was crucified and resurrected. The evidence for that is overwhelming.
That historical fact is the evidence that the Judeo-Christian God is God, and there is no other true God.
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Jesus, son of the Living God, have mercy upon me.
Jesus is Lord.
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