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Clemson Icon [27698]
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Just an observation.
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Nov 26, 2024, 2:29 PM
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I've come to this conclusion.
Message boards have become a magnet for negativity, and it is getting worse every year. Tigernet is no better or worse than other boards.
Bama fans want to fire DeBoer. Ole Miss fans now want to fire Kiffin. FSU fans want to fire Norvell (at least that is understandable) after last year calling him the best coach in America. I haven't read any LSU boards, but I'll bet they want to fire Kelly. I know OU fans, until Saturday, wanted to fire Venables.
The portal is just an excuse. FSU fans are upset because Norvell uses the portal. Clemson fans are upset because Dabo doesn't use the portal.
The portal is the latest excuse. Losses are the reason.
And, we are at the point where many message board fans will only be satisfied with a national championship. Anything less is a complete failure of a year.
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Dynasty Maker [3495]
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Re: Just an observation.
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Nov 26, 2024, 2:39 PM
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You sir, are correct.
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National Champion [7227]
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Re: Just an observation.
Nov 27, 2024, 2:13 PM
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Natty or Bust, bruh
- CockLover1969Champs
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All-In [10897]
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Re: Just an observation.
Nov 27, 2024, 7:38 PM
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Most the whiners are youngins that don't even remember the era of ########## which was only 15yrs ago. Dabo has made Clemson more relevant than we have ever been but the immediate satisfaction youth expect Natties or they are ready to fire someone. Just like the recruits that expect immediate $$'s instead of working to develop under a good program, just take the highest offer (immediate satisfaction society).
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Campus Hero [13993]
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Re: Just an observation.
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Nov 26, 2024, 2:41 PM
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You should never fire a coach with consistent success. Meaning look at what you were before that coach was there, or has he had at least 3 to 5 years to turn it around. And that should be closer to 5 then 3 years most of the time.
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Game Changer [2073]
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Re: Just an observation.
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Nov 26, 2024, 10:17 PM
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See Nebraska, TN for a while, TX for a while. The only exception I can think of is UGA w Kirby for Richt.
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All-In [10931]
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Re: Just an observation.
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Nov 27, 2024, 9:04 AM
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That kind of thinking would have kept Ken Hatfield here.
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TigerNet HOFer [127760]
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Its simple, Happy People arent loud***
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Clemson Icon [27698]
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Hammer, meet nail.
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Nov 26, 2024, 2:59 PM
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"The nattering nabobs of negativism."
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All-Conference [433]
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Re: Hammer, meet nail.
Nov 27, 2024, 10:22 AM
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The ghost of Spiro Agnew lives! 😁
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Clemson Icon [27698]
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Now, here's a real trivia question for you.
Nov 27, 2024, 10:27 AM
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You remember Spiro was the guy who gave the speech that contained that phrase. But for a bonus question, do you know who his speechwriter was - the guy who actually wrote those words?
Just having fun with you. For some reason I learned this about 15 or so years after the speech when the writer had become a public political figure himself.
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All-American [577]
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Re: Now, here's a real trivia question for you.
Nov 27, 2024, 12:43 PM
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Pat Buchanan , learned that on a podcast about Agnew a while back
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Re: Just an observation.
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And water is wet. Losses have always been---and always will be--the measuring stick by which coaches are measured.
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CU Medallion [20849]
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Re: Just an observation.
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We are 49-14 in our supposed "bad years" ('20-'24) yet some lash out as if we are 14-49...
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All-In [10931]
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Re: Just an observation.
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That’s not good. That’s slightly above average. Best is the standard.
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Rival Killer [2648]
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Re: Just an observation.
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Slightly above average??
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Rival Killer [2916]
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Re: Just an observation.
Nov 27, 2024, 6:54 PM
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True, but is it “Best”?
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Re: Just an observation.
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People want instant gratification… anything else is not good enough.
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Orange Immortal [68087]
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The common denominator...
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is that winning cures a lot of pains and silences a lot of the critics.
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Re: Just an observation.
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please don't project FSU's problems on us, thanks.
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Rival Killer [2911]
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Don't conflate analytic criticism and facts..m
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with negativity. People that do that are tte problem. People who call them out are obviously Coots. 🙄🙄🙄{sarcasm}
How'd I do? 😁😁
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Clemson Icon [27529]
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Re: Just an observation.
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You are absolutely correct. Messages boards provide a platform for people whose opinions would never be considered by those responsible for running the subject of the board to express those opinions and claim they know more than the people who are responsible for the subject of the board. They are self proclaimed experts looking to prove their expertise or to be in line to be the first to say “I told you so”. The most vocal are usually the most negative and we all know misery loves company.
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Oculus Spirit [39677]
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Re: Just an observation.
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Nov 26, 2024, 5:06 PM
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Agree! Hope you are doing well!
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Re: Just an observation.
Nov 27, 2024, 8:21 PM
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Well crap, I went to the beach today to improve my tan, everything was good until I dropped my snow cone in sand, and I just hate the way sand feels crunching it between your teeth
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Offensive Star [346]
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Re: Just an observation.
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Yep. That pretty much sums it up. Well said sir.
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Ring of Honor [23484]
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I still believe the portal isn't the variable. It was just game-day coaching &
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gameplan prep.
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Rival Killer [2916]
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Re: I still believe the portal isn't the variable. It was just game-day coaching &
Nov 27, 2024, 6:56 PM
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Yup, and that is ANNOYING AF.
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Dynasty Maker [3115]
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I've come to this conclusion:
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Nov 26, 2024, 4:18 PM
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Football fans tend to like it when their programs win.
And they tend to dislike it when their programs lose.
But (some) Clemson fans tend to dislike it when their program wins. And loses.
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Legend [6941]
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The problem with winning
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is you can't b!tch about losing
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Dynasty Maker [3115]
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Several on this board would disagree.
Nov 27, 2024, 10:50 AM
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Winning, in their minds, often feels a lot like losing.
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Offensive Star [340]
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Re: The problem with winning
Nov 27, 2024, 12:54 PM
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So then some people say, the win feels like a loss! Lol
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Re: Just an observation.
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Only thing you missed is that even winning a National Championship doesn’t stop people from complaining.
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Playmaker [367]
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Re: Just an observation.
Nov 26, 2024, 4:43 PM
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Agree and hope prospects don’t read TNet with all of the negativity. I am not for firing Dabo, but he needs to re-evaluate things and make some changes to coaching staff.
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Orange Elite [5593]
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If you read other message boards, it doesnt take long to realize......
Nov 26, 2024, 5:00 PM
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that everybody is saying the same things over and over in reaction to the same or similar situations..
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Re: If you read other message boards, it doesnt take long to realize......
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That is a fact! I can look at some of the posters username and without reading it could give you the gists of it.
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Oculus Spirit [39677]
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Re: Just an observation.
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I’m not sure many are happy in real life! Stress
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National Champion [7474]
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Agreed. One of the most perplexing things about Tigernet is the amount of
Nov 26, 2024, 5:15 PM
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Non-Clemson fans who pretend to be Clemson fans in order to troll unsuspecting members. Many of them are indeed South Carolina fans and hide that fact until USuCk starts winning. Much like the later half of this year. Then they can't help themselves. Looking at you @cClemgalalways®
At least you bretfsu® do not pretend to be otherwise. I can respect that if nothing else.
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Re: Agreed. One of the most perplexing things about Tigernet is the amount of
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Not sure why you don't think I'm a Clemson fan. Don't think I a non Clemson fan would have gone to every home game for 40+ years, every bowl game thru 2009, and most all of the away games from 65-85.
I've stated in other threads that I do have some wonderful gamecock fans. Some who went to the Clemson game with me and then fast drove and went to the Carolina game at night. Yes, I root for the gamecocks when we're not playing them.
Yes, I congratulated them and beamer in a thread. I like Shane. If Dabo left, he'd be my first pick to replace him. Yes, I've been very vocal that Carolina should be ranked above us this year. We haven't proven anything on the field except that we can run up the score on app st teams. Their body of work is better than ours. Yes, the last couple of years, Shane has done more with less vs Dabo, who's done less with more.
Call me a coot then.
What else? Oh yeah, I've soured on Dabo. He used to never make excuses. He used to never blame the refs, he used to never whine about injuries. He used to never brag about himself at every chance he gets.
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National Champion [7474]
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You have indeed checked most of the boxes.
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...Coot. Clemgalalways®
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Clemson Icon [27698]
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I appreciate y'all.
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I've tried to be honest from day one. I'm a Nole fan first. Clemson is my second favorite team.
I found this board back when Clemson was looking for a coach and ended up hiring Tommy Bowden.
I understand fans being very skeptical of me and assuming I was a troll and not a Clemson fan. But, over time, this board basically understood where I was coming from and has been very welcoming to me. Because of this board I've had the pleasure of being in Death Valley twice and experiencing the joy of watching The Tigers beat Louisville and Wake.
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Game Day Hero [4170]
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Re: I appreciate y'all.
Nov 27, 2024, 1:09 PM
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Rough year for you
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Re: I appreciate y'all.
Nov 27, 2024, 8:41 PM
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Well I'm sure that FSU fans has a really good reason to be pisssing and moaning over on your board. Just imagine what it would be like on T-Net if we went 13-1 last season and 2-9 so far this season. I'm thinking if that was us, T-Net would have to shut down until fall camp of 2025!!!
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Rival Killer [2642]
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What cracks me up is all the "Dabo needs to" this and "Dabo should" that.
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When all such comments might as well be pissing into the wind. Dabo is going to do what he thinks is best. Internet suggestions don't enter the equation.
Also, just because a team isn't as good as it was doesn't mean the "game has passed him by". THat's such a silly cliche'
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Re: Just an observation.
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coots are ready to erect a statue because they’ve won 8 games for 1 year in a row.
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Re: Just an observation.
Nov 27, 2024, 8:55 PM
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If you want to see what coot fans are really like, let them have the best season than they've had since Spurrier, Just let Beamer leave for another job after giving them their best season since Spurrier, they would Bulldoze a Beamer statue and hire a hit man to go after him bc they don't know how to appreciate anything good happening for their FB program. They are Love-Hate fans!!!
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National Champion [7461]
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Re: Just an observation.
Nov 26, 2024, 10:36 PM
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The internet in general (social media sites) are all places of negativity. Tnet is the only site where I will make comments. No Twitter, no Facebook, no reddit, etc. I have better things to do with my time.
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Rival Killer [2991]
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Re: Just an observation.
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What's your Clemson vs Carolina pick Brett
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Re: Just an observation.
Nov 27, 2024, 2:37 AM
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He knows the Tigers will make the hens lay an EGG!
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Clemson Icon [27698]
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Tough game.
Nov 27, 2024, 10:34 AM
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Carolina is playing far better than I expected. Clemson run defense, or lack thereof, is a big concern. But, hopefully, the DL (and Woodazz) are healthy now and the run D will be much better.
The game should be a toss up.
But, I give two advantages, to Clemson.
1. Death Valley
2. Dabo vs. Beamer.
In the words of Leonard, "Leonard's loser, in a close one, Sakerlina."
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National Champion [7194]
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Best post Ive seen in a long time. I
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Dropped my membership because of all the negativity and fire dabo and portal posts. Only check in when I get an interesting email from tnet.
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Tiger Titan [50583]
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Re: Just an observation.
Nov 27, 2024, 2:36 AM
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It’s not possible every year, if you can win or have a shot at a top 4 every 3-4 years that’s about the most you can expect odds wise.
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Clemson Icon [27790]
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People want instant gratification and quick fixes
Nov 27, 2024, 3:34 AM
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And firing a coach is the quickest way to do in the mind of many.
I do think the fact of rising costs and everything in sports being more expensive angers some fans while they see these coaches making absurd amounts of money. So the sympathy for them isn’t as high as it used to be when
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Game Changer [1685]
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Re: Just an observation.
Nov 27, 2024, 7:53 AM
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Always appreciate your insight and even hand, bretfsu®
Common sense goes a long way. You're position on the outside is always objective.
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Game Changer [1685]
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Re: Just an observation.
Nov 27, 2024, 7:56 AM
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***Not saying you are an outsider, especially since you pay for a subscription and are very good for TNet.
Mostly saying you are not a party participating in our cheeky internal shenanigans that have been going on so long we can't remember why we started arguing in the first place. LOLz.
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Re: Just an observation.
Nov 27, 2024, 9:20 AM
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No doubt. In a nutshell, people are unhappy and that spills out into this kind of forum, where the consequences for “going off” really amount to
zero.
I think the more important question is, “who is responsible for your happiness”?
The answer is looking back at you from the mirror.
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Re: Just an observation.
Nov 27, 2024, 10:17 AM
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One of the Clemson pregame shows uses the catch line “on the road to the national championship “ or playoffs or something like that.
Its ludicrous. Success in any field is measured in context of resources. Achievement is on a sliding scale. Empiricism can play a role in cohort evaluation, but individuals and individual teams deserve grades relative to their optimal outcomes.
Case in point: sometimes a 9-4 record is over achieving in college football.
Setting a relatively arbitrary expectation of “national championship” isn’t realistic. That’s why Dabo’s goals include objectives such as “win the opener”, “win the state”, etc. And when the team fails to accomplish those, we have to admit that “national championship” was a flawed assumption and goal.
We should be better than that.
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Re: Just an observation.
Nov 27, 2024, 10:54 AM
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Wish I could double TU this. Most adult post of the day on Tnet
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Re: Just an observation.
Nov 27, 2024, 12:16 PM
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I agree with that
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Redshirt [94]
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Re: Just an observation.
Nov 27, 2024, 12:17 PM
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Well said
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Redshirt [94]
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Re: Just an observation.
Nov 27, 2024, 12:18 PM
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Well said
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Re: Just an observation.
Nov 27, 2024, 12:25 PM
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I have known for a long time that social media brings out the worst in just about everyone I know. It is simply because you can post the unfiltered thoughts in your head without consequences. You can be as mean as you want to be, rude as you want to be, disrespectful as you want to be, and nobody in going to knock the teeth out of your head. None of your family or friends are going to know what a total A_s_S you really are. They can all just keep on thinking what a nice family guy or girl you are without any real idea of how rude and rotten you can be to other people over something as silly as football.
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110%er [3725]
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Nailed it!!
Nov 27, 2024, 12:32 PM
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Excellent job
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Rival Killer [2916]
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Re: Just an observation.
Nov 27, 2024, 6:57 PM
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You’ve come to the conclusion that humans will continue to exhibit the traits of human nature.
Congratulations, here’s the POTD for your revolutionary thought.
Oh, FFS.
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Orange Immortal [62174]
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Spot on!***
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Re: Just an observation.
Nov 27, 2024, 8:59 PM
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The bigger question re: sports is why ministers, lawyers, doctors, CEO’s, … you name it all of us care so much about football scores? Are we just living vicariously through million dollar coaches and now players winning or losing a battle for three hours ( or four) on a given Saturday?
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