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Just a note about NIL.
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Jul 9, 2024, 10:09 AM
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Luke Clanton, golfer at FSU, played the last two weeks on the PGA Tour. (Finished T10 and T2)
He was wearing a hat and a shirt with "Union Home Mortgage" prominently displayed all 8 rounds he played. He also had on his sleeve a patch with the logo of "The Battle's End" which is the NIL collective for FSU.
I don't know the details, and I certainly don't know how much Union Home Mortgage paid Clanton to wear those clothes. But, I do know Clanton has a contract with The Battle's End. The Battle's End did not pay Clanton directly. They acted as his agent and brokered a deal with Union Home Mortgage to pay Clanton directly.
It is my understanding that is the same process that the Clemson NIL is doing for their currently enrolled students. Not only do they pay some athletes directly, they also put athletes in touch with private companies and help them work out contracts directly with the company.
That is much closer to what NIL was supposed to be. I'm an athlete. I should be able to make money by selling my services to a private company who will pay me. Like State Farm and Aaron Rogers. He is making money directly from State farm for his name, image and likeness.
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Re: Just a note about NIL.
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Jul 9, 2024, 11:15 AM
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Problem is, not everybody is playing by the same rules. And while I can't speak for FSU, Clemson can't compete in "bidding wars" for players with Texas, Oklahoma, USC and the like. Our fan base, while perhaps even more avid, is considerably smaller. And we don't have oil wells and movie stars in South Carolina. Doesn't bode well for the future, in my humble opinion. Go Tigers!
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Re: Just a note about NIL.
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Jul 9, 2024, 11:41 AM
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Yes they can compete. $$$ is not the issue.
Its a choice of where/when to spend it.
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Doesn' that conflate two different kinds of NIL?
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Jul 9, 2024, 12:46 PM
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What you labeled as "before August 2024" regards private, 3rd party NIL.
The NCAA still can't interfere with that or regulate it due to the injury from in the Tennessee vs NCAA case.
The "starting August 2024" NIL rules look like the school sponsored NIL, which is a different thing.
And...if the NCAA rules violate the Sherman Antitrust Act, they'll be right back in federal court.
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How is anyone playing by different rules?
Jul 10, 2024, 8:45 AM
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The rules are exactly the same for everyone. Use NIL to maximize the caliber and fit for the athletes you want in your team.
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Re: Just a note about NIL.
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Jul 9, 2024, 12:02 PM
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That’s been NIL since day one. Coaches and teams have no control at all. They can’t make recommendations or facilitate deals. Well, until august. NIL is between players and collectives or corporations. Texas didn’t pay their o-line. Boosters and a collective paid them to use their name image and likeness to sell products. It’s not some checkbook the schools use. Dabo can’t veto a deal. He can’t set up or promise a deal. He can setup meetings starting in august.
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Re: Just a note about NIL.
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Jul 9, 2024, 1:07 PM
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If you think that there is no coordination between the coaches of some schools and their private money donors on which players the private money should buy, then you live in fantasy land. These 3rd party private money boosters know the player recruiting and portal prospect boards like the back of their hand. I wonder how?  It is the wild west out there with no substantive enforcement power. The real players in the pay-for-play space could care less about obtaining a prospective player's intellectual property rights to market a good or service. If they do, the buying party's interest is tangential at best. Some schools have boosters that can come off the hip tens of millians per year just to buy players and increase their odds of winning a trophy. The biggies are doing that right now.
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Re: Just a note about NIL.
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Jul 9, 2024, 8:31 PM
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Yep seems a few have their heads in the sand and believe everyone is doing it the right way.
Didn’t Saban, Mack Brown, Kiffen and not sure who else talk about the bidding wars and what some of these kids were being offered? #### yea the coaches are involved. No way around it.
Bluffton I understand your FMV but all that without some rules and consequences will become a free for all with only a handful of teams affording the best talent and college football will suck. Like to revisit this in about 5 years and see where we are but as of right now competitive fairness has been diminished. Hope things get worked out very soon.
Some if not most of these teams have been back door dealing for decades but there was that chance that they would get caught. Now who knows but I’m not seeing anything that would deter me from getting one of my rich buddies to get a top tier transfer in the name of FMV.
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I guarantee you many coaches are in very close
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Jul 9, 2024, 1:08 PM
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contact with their NIL collective. They need to know what kind of funds are available for recruits, and these big time recruits are all being offered NIL packages prior to committing. Major CFB coaches are control freaks.. do you really think they let these collectives work completely on their own? No way. They are telling the collectives who their primary targets are and where the money will be best spent.
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No third party has the right to interfere or control...
Jul 10, 2024, 9:55 AM
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...two other entities' legal business deals.
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That's how it is supposed to work. But in reality, you can do anything you
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Jul 9, 2024, 1:46 PM
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want. A booster could drive to the player's high school, give him a briefcase with 1,000,000 dollars, a set of keys to a Porsche, all with the understanding that he is to play football at the University of _____. All of this could be recorded, and there would be no consequences whatsoever for the booster.
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...or the athlete.
Jul 9, 2024, 3:34 PM
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Free market.
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Re: That's how it is supposed to work. But in reality, you can do anything you
Jul 9, 2024, 5:46 PM
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Surround, you have no concept of what NIL is. Nothing is given through NIL and because your booster who gave $1 million would have to give the athlete a W-2, the consequence would be on the athlete who better have at least $380,000 saved up when the income tax is due.
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Re: That's how it is supposed to work. But in reality, you can do anything you
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Jul 9, 2024, 9:07 PM
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So are you saying NIL is not being given by Collectives (Boosters) to players in high school and the Portal to come play for their University? Again, news to me.
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Re: Just a note about NIL.
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Jul 9, 2024, 5:40 PM
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You have perfectly described what NIL is.
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Re: Just a note about NIL.
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Jul 9, 2024, 8:35 PM
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NIL is a great idea but not sure many big time programs are using it as intended. JMO
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Re: Just a note about NIL.
Jul 10, 2024, 9:43 AM
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Is Shapiro still doing time in Miami?🤣
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