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It's simple.
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Aug 13, 2024, 11:07 AM
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Jesus, speaking to Nicodemus said, "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." That's in John Chapter 3 in an early verse. Nicodemus asked how can a man be born again, does he return to his mother's womb and...?
To which, Jesus replied, "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Then, in order to provide an earthly example of a spiritual truth Jesus replied, "The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit."
Still Nicodemus remained confused to Christ made it clear as ringing a bell. "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
Other religions respect Jesus as a prophet yet they reject His own words and work. They respect Him but His testimony dismisses any and all claims other that that which you've read in this post.
If you're looking for the 'right way,' you have but only one option for Jesus plainly said, "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved."
That didn't come from me, it comes to you today from The Son of God who sacrificed Himself just for you.
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Re: It's simple.
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Aug 14, 2024, 3:02 AM
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Seef I can meet out for a minute
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Re: It's simple.
Aug 14, 2024, 8:12 AM
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I seriously doubt the historical Jesus ever had this conversation.
Way too much theological proselytizing going on in that passage.
Plus it doesn’t match up with things he says elsewhere.
For example he was quoted multiple times in the other gospels saying to keep the commandments and give to the poor to receive salvation.
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#6!
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Aug 14, 2024, 9:33 AM
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We've gone through this more than 6 times but you've never caught on. Jesus was sent to fulfill the law so His teaching about the law adhered to the law. Had He ignored the law He would not have been in compliance with the law and the law would have condemned Him.
Preaching Himself as Savior was lawful for He was regarded in dozens of passages in Moses, Psalms and the Prophets. He, in life here on earth, was a continuation of the story of scripture.
If you post that nonsense 10 or 12 more times I'm going to get upset!
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Re: #6!
Aug 14, 2024, 9:48 AM
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Even simpler than that, just looking at who He was talking to, and why, answers the trolls. Well, nothing answers trolls: the guy claiming to have kept the law was a troll, and got an answer trolls deserve. Nic came for an actual reason, and got a universal answer. In either case, truth spoken has it's own reward. Carry on.
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Re: #6!
Aug 14, 2024, 2:42 PM
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I just find it odd that Jesus was publicly quoted as saying that it’s works…how one keeps the law and cares for others…that gets you to heaven.
Then suddenly in a one on one conversation, of which nobody knows how it was recorded or who the source was, in one of the last books of the New Testament to be written, he says oh no, it’s all about what you believe, but never really specifies what…
I’m just looking at the evidence and what I can read for myself, not what I’ve been taught by my pastor.
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Yes, He did.
Aug 14, 2024, 3:56 PM
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Have you ever read the 10 commandments? 2 specifically deal with our relationship with God and the other 8 our relationships with others.
"So what changed," you asked? Jesus taught to Love God with all your heart and love your neighbor as yourself. 'Nothing,' would be the proper and most accurate answer.
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Re: Yes, He did.
Aug 15, 2024, 2:23 PM
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I happened to read your other post before you deleted it.
I think you misunderstand me about alcohol. It’s simply a major issue today amongst Christians, and something they are known for NOT doing rather ironically considering Jesus did. Heck you could even argue he promoted it considering he turned water to wine, and Luke chapter 7 clearly alludes to the fact that he did, like every other Jew except for the Levites, partake…
Never the less I’ve actually had a family member refuse to even acknowledge the passage. He simply said my pastor says it wasn’t alcoholic wine.
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So you're going to let one tiny issue stand between you and God?
Aug 16, 2024, 5:09 AM
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We've talked about this a lot over the past few years. You're right, they are wrong but they are saved and God is still working on them. They are bound for glory and you, you've been convicted of sin and rather than submitting to God, repenting and getting saved you want to argue about something as trivial as wine with someone who isn't here to argue with you?
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Re: So you're going to let one tiny issue stand between you and God?
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Aug 17, 2024, 5:29 PM
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No that’s just one of the inconsistencies but at the same time if you see a logical flaw in something someone says or believes I do think you should take that into consideration with other things.
For example. A pastor claims to be speaking from god. If he teaches things that seem illogical or in fact are not biblical why should I trust anything else he says?
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Decades ago I learned to test everything according to God's Holy Word.
Aug 19, 2024, 6:07 AM
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I might instantly agree with something a preacher says if it's established by God in my heart. When a new concept or something comes to my attention that makes me wonder I put in on hold until God verifies and validates it.
I think, HuntClub® and I had a discussion about original sin. All I had for contest was personal opinion at the time. Since I've learned from Psalms 51 that sin has two definitions, one is the one we are born with. I'm leaning toward thinking that it might be an inherited sin within all of us.
As said previously, transgressions are different. We control them for we can choose not to transgress God's law to love and obey Him or His other law which is the law of love for our fellowman.
So you're right, never believe anything that doesn't set right with you until you find out what God has to say about it. With you doubting the Word of God I wonder how you're going to survive your experiences.
You are apt to be blown about by every wind of doctrine and that should give you serious concern. God established right and that which is not right. He alone has the wisdom and power to judge right from wrong. If you are singularly judging with His guidance there is no hope in me that you will ever know the difference. You concern me.
I meant to say 'without,' where I said 'with.'
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Re: Decades ago I learned to test everything according to God's Holy Word.
Aug 20, 2024, 8:45 AM
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The thing is the Bible is the word of men as well. There’s no proof that it is from god, and then when you hear people who tell you it’s from god making logical mistakes why should you believe they are telling the truth about it being gods word or know what they are talking about?
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Re: So you're going to let one tiny issue stand between you and God?
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Aug 21, 2024, 1:28 PM
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You are making the mistake of confusing American churchianity with Biblical Christianity. People make the same mistake with Catholocism. American churchianity is part of the mystery Babylon false religious system as is Rome. Jesus did not establish this corrupt system where money & comfort reigns supreme & 1 seminary indoctrinated hireling spoon feeds a captive audience every Sunday. That's more akin to the Roman amphitheater. The God (Jesus) of the Bible most certainly is real & true. The numerical patterns alone prove it. These patterns run thru the OT & NT & would have been impossible for mere men to replicate in Texts that were penned centuries upon centuries apart. And that doesn't even get into prophecy that directly links to the world you live in today.
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Re: So you're going to let one tiny issue stand between you and God?
Aug 22, 2024, 10:27 AM
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Someone who claims to have hard evidence for their beliefs. I like it.
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Re: #6!
Aug 14, 2024, 1:11 PM
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The whole thing is just so confusing.
We aren’t supposed to sin but there’s no way we can be sinless.
We are supposed to follow the law but we can’t follow the law.
Church attendance means nothing but you need to go to church.
Our appearance before god means nothing but you need to wear your Sunday best.
You shouldn’t drink alcohol but Jesus drank and made alcohol.
The list goes on and on…
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Re: It's simple.
Aug 14, 2024, 5:16 PM
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how come god used to talk to people in plain language, in simple words, yet he don't no more?
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Re: It's simple.
Aug 15, 2024, 1:05 PM
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He still does, it's just that most fear saying He spoke to them in public because, 'hearing voices,' has such a negative connotation these days. Modern man has a serious problem listening to anything he doesn't want to hear. Some people are just deaf to God's voice.
There's also an issue with the human mind being busy. God speaks in a still, small voice so a busy mind may perceive His words as background noise and not realize He is speaking to them.
God speaks to me but He doesn't waste words or tell me anymore than I need to hear. I imagine that's how He speaks to everyone who is willing to listen.
Romans 10: "17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
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Re: It's simple.
Aug 15, 2024, 2:25 PM
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What do you believe the writer of Romans was referring to here when he says “word of god” because the New Testament was far from put together when it was written?
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Aug 15, 2024, 7:06 PM
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I believe if theres a god that can build the universe and everything in it, is all powerful and all knowing would be able to speak loud enough and clearly enough so that people are aware, and non believers will believe.
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You want God to raise His voice?***
Aug 16, 2024, 4:53 AM
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Re: You want God to raise His voice?***
Aug 17, 2024, 11:10 AM
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I want him to speak clearly, just as he used to (allegedly)
Is he not strong enough to do that?
The Bible is full of him speaking to people directly and through angels, animal’s burning bushes and stuff…. Now nothing
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You're missing the obvious.
Aug 17, 2024, 3:25 PM
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I provided many reasons folk don't hear God speak and all of those reason are due to us, not to Him.
Now go back and read those reasons and see if you can determine why you never hear God's voice or ask Him to raise His voice to a volume which you can no longer ignore.
I'm not trying to be harsh, I assure you, for I have asked God to speak a little louder in a time when I was struggled to hear Him. I declare to you now, that is not what you really want.
Rather than asking Him to raise His voice you might want to ask Him to heal your disability and cure your hearing loss, give you hearing or peace within so His normal, gentle, soft voice is audible to you.
Start with Romans 10:17 which is listed at the bottom of my original response to you.
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Re: You're missing the obvious.
Aug 22, 2024, 12:28 AM
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You assume that I have not asked many times for a sign, and got nothing.
This leads me to think either god nobly wants some people to hear him, and can’t be bothered with others. BUT that can’t be a loving god and certainly is country to the Bible as I know it.
Or
There is no god, at least not the one that Christmas believe, that talks to people, cures people / kills people, and is involved in our lives.
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Christ was crucified and then raised from the dead.
Aug 22, 2024, 1:49 AM
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I can't imagine what more anyone could need.
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Re: Christ was crucified and then raised from the dead.
Aug 22, 2024, 12:48 PM
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Allegedly *
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Re: It's simple.
Aug 21, 2024, 1:33 PM
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John 3 also exposes the rank hypocrisy of dispensationalism when we compare it to how the "right dividers" handle it & Matthew 24. For instance, within the first 3 verses of Matthew 24 we read that Jesus was talking to His disciples. Dispensationalism tells us however that Matthew 24 is not written to the church (Jesus's disciples). But then those same dispensationalists turn right around and gladly claim John 3's, "ye must be born again" even though it was spoken to a Pharisee ruler of 1st century Israel. By doing this, the dispys violate their own system of interpretations "rules" and expose themselves as hypocrites.
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