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Asst Coach [890]
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$11 million
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Nov 5, 2024, 7:04 PM
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I really don't get the envy here, or what ever it is. Dabo earned his contract with, among other things, two national championships and return to national relevance. The fact that we struggle to stay on top is irrelevant, in fact, to be expected for a small ACC school.
Take your wealth envy and support Elizabeth Warren for wealth re distribution.
And, with your football acumen, share with us a better coach that would take this job for , what, $5 million? Let's save more...$3 million?
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Rival Killer [2916]
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It has nothing to do with envy. That's a canard.
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Nov 5, 2024, 7:11 PM
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The issue is that the University is no longer getting $11 million worth of ROI.
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Rival Killer [2982]
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Re: It has nothing to do with envy. That's a canard.
Nov 5, 2024, 7:18 PM
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Then make a change at the end of the contract.
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Rival Killer [2916]
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It's not up to me.
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Nov 7, 2024, 10:58 AM
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Despite the current situation I would prefer that Dabo adapt to the new paradigm and be successful in it.
That is clearly not happening right now.
He is the best HFC we have ever had.
I respect his accomplishments but he is past the point where cheerleading, hype, and platitudes are working.
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Ring of Honor [22098]
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I feel the same way. I wish he would agree to an incentive-based contract.
Nov 7, 2024, 2:30 PM
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Maybe 900K per win possibly plus more for championships? I bet his attitude towards the portal and NIL would change instantly.
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Game Changer [1796]
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Re: It has nothing to do with envy. That's a canard.
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Nov 5, 2024, 8:03 PM
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Says you. I truly hope that Dabo tells Clemson to pound sand because of the IDIOT “fans” and then you can settle in for the 5 win seasons. No coach with half a brain would want to deal with idiots that think 10 wins seasons and one 9 win season is a failure. Come on down Billy Napier, Hugh Freeze or cross your fingers Will Muschamp!!!
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Orange Blooded [2335]
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Re: It has nothing to do with envy. That's a canard.
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Nov 6, 2024, 4:01 AM
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^^ This just proves the point I've seen several people make on here before. Some of y'all are actually more beholden to Dabo than you are to Clemson.
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Re: It has nothing to do with envy. That's a canard.
Nov 7, 2024, 11:05 AM
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Says you. I truly hope that Dabo tells Clemson to pound sand because of the IDIOT “fans” and then you can settle in for the 5 win seasons. No coach with half a brain would want to deal with idiots that think 10 wins seasons and one 9 win season is a failure. Come on down Billy Napier, Hugh Freeze or cross your fingers Will Muschamp!!!
This is the problem right here! He was compensated for winning championships and going to the playoffs. He hasn't done either one in 5 seasons. Accepting 9 and 10 win seasons by beating absolutely nobody is nothing to celebrate. Every coach has idiot fans. Nick Saban even had them. It comes with the territory. Our coach is being compensated based on winning playoff games and beating programs that we weren't expected to beat. That rarely happens anymore. I have a question, if Dabo makes it to the end of his contract on the same trend that has occurred for the past 5 seasons, does Dabo deserve to be paid less, equal, or more if Clemson wanted to retain him?
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Dynasty Maker [3265]
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110%er [3925]
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Its implied that it is his opinion.
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Nov 6, 2024, 8:39 AM
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This is a message board.
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110%er [3925]
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Re: Its implied that it is his opinion.
Nov 6, 2024, 8:45 AM
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Then me fixing it shouldnt matter, but interestingly it caused you to respond
Your statement is also not necessarily factual, not everything posted is an opinion.
Nor are opinions always presented as such, some posters have the intentional desire to deliver their opinions as fact. This usually can be concluded over a large sample size as with this poster.... in my opinion
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Rival Killer [2916]
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Yeah, because citing legal cases and federal law is just an opinion...
Nov 7, 2024, 11:01 AM
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Pfft.
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Re: $11 million
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Nov 5, 2024, 7:22 PM
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Dabo is given $11 million based on what he has already done so you are right, people can stop complaining about his current salary.
Now if he were to get a raise now, THAT would be considered undeserving
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Asst Coach [890]
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Re: $11 million
Nov 5, 2024, 7:27 PM
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I get it and agree. Could be when his contract is "up" some school may be willing to pay him more, and again, we are looking to pay $5 million for a new coach, or pay more for a top 10 coach...that wouldn't come here anyway...and that's no canard.
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Orange Blooded [2335]
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Re: $11 million
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Nov 6, 2024, 4:11 AM
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I honestly don't think another school would be willing to pay him more. Dabo's record is inestimable, but his stock has undoubtedly slipped since he was given that contract. Other schools, particularly those who would be prone to spending big bucks on a football coach, would be very leery of his transfer portal strategy, stubbornness, and failure to run a good offense for at least 3 straight years now. There's a reason why Clemson is the only team in the country (other than the service academies) that hasn't taken a single portal player (minus graduate reserve QB's). Teams like to hire up-and-coming coaches nowadays, particularly these new-age offensive "gurus," and Dabo is basically the opposite of that. I'm not saying a necessarily like their approach more than Dabo's, but regardless of whether I agree with them or not, that's what the dominant mindset is probably going to be. Therefore, I don't see anyone else investing that kind of money in Dabo as things stand right now.
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All-TigerNet [5901]
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Re: $11 million
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Nov 5, 2024, 7:24 PM
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Not a great argument but I see what you’re saying. However, the 11mil was earned. Period.
I once had to replace my highest paid employee. At one point he was worth it. But had become less and less valuable over time.
I replaced him with a fairly young guy with less experience to save about 50% of that high salary.
The young guy ended up making us triple the revenue the old guy was generating at the time of his firing.
It took about 2 years for him to get there, but it was well worth the change. Later, he started earning MORE than the guy he replaced.
Value is current and projected. In business, value is NEVER based on the past.
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Asst Coach [890]
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Re: $11 million
Nov 5, 2024, 7:33 PM
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I know RU4, but you made a ballsy move and had to have some reservations doing it right? Glad it worked out for you, but TN. Auburn, and others haven't made that pivot successfully for 3 to 5 coaches.
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Rival Killer [2916]
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Tennessee
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Nov 7, 2024, 11:08 AM
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Their bad hires can be traced straight to making Phil Filmer their AD.
He was clueless.
They had one decent HC - Kiffin.
He bailed after a single season.
They then had the loser trio of Dooley, Jones, and Pruitt.
Fired Fulmer, hired Danny White and Josh Heupel from Central Florida, and got immediate improvement.
They are currently #7 in the playoff rankings. We're #23.
Tennessee's problems cane about from clinging to an outdated hero for too long.
There's a lesson in that.
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Head Coach [971]
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Re: $11 million
Nov 5, 2024, 9:18 PM
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Sounds really similar to Dabo taking over for Timmy Bowden….
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Head Coach [971]
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Re: $11 million***
Nov 5, 2024, 9:19 PM
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Head Coach [971]
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Orange Blooded [2396]
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Re: $11 milli
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Nov 5, 2024, 7:30 PM
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You really think wealth envy is the root of the criticism? Pretty sure most posters don’t begrudge a person earning large sums of money for great performance. I know I don’t. Question to you. How many 3-4 loss seasons will Dabo need to have until you say he’s not worth $11M per annum? 5,6,7 or 8? Past performance only has so much trail in biz.
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Asst Coach [890]
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Re: $11 milli
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Nov 5, 2024, 7:39 PM
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I do think it's envy based on people bringing that up as the lead in to their bitching...when the contract was earned and inked years ago for what he did. Buy him out then.
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Game Changer [1634]
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Re: $11 milli
Nov 6, 2024, 8:00 AM
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You're missing the point. The issue isn't whether we think Dabo is worth the $11 mil per year now. We did 5 years ago, which is why The University signed him to a long term contract. But it blows my mind to think that some of you are willing to spend "$60 million to buy out a contract because paying $11 million is unjustified. That defies sound logic; unless, of course, you know another Coach who will take the job and guarantee us multiple national championships. By the way, how many active coaches are there who have won 2 National Championships in the last 8 years? Go Tigers!
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Rival Killer [2786]
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Re: $11 million
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Nov 5, 2024, 7:48 PM
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Don’t blow a vein, but while Dabo is currently getting paid for what he did for the program in the recent past, he will not continue to do so if we continue this decline. Especially if we lose to the coots.
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Asst Coach [890]
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Re: $11 million
Nov 5, 2024, 8:04 PM
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Meaning? I guess you are saying fired/buy out? I don't think that happens this year, but if so, I won't blow a vein, that's business. Just like the contract given to him was. Which was my only point.
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Top TigerNet [30295]
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Exactly, coaches have always started out with lesser contracts
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Nov 5, 2024, 8:28 PM
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won championships, and gotten much bigger contracts, then may or may not have stayed at the same level long term. But it becomes a talking point and used against them to fit an agenda even though the talking heads know this.
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Athletic Dir [1122]
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Re: $11 million
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Nov 5, 2024, 8:51 PM
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I think the main issue here is we’re looking at it in relationship to our jobs/experiences, but it’s a false dichotomy. Yes where we are in our careers / salary is based on past performance, but I bet few if any have a term contract and are instead at will employees. Most will
be evaluated annually and given raises against inflation adjusted for performance. The difference is successful college coaches are much harder to find than most of us in our jobs, so they are given termed contracts with buyouts without an option for a pay decrease, meaning if you’re really unhappy you just have to fire them and buy out their contract.
Dabo has allowed the program to slip, mostly due to bad hires and reluctance to change with NIL payments as a recruiting tool and even lightly utilizing the transfer portal. However the idea of firing him is unfathomable due to the massive buyout, and honestly budget issues paying both his and his replacements salary. I don’t like where we are, but I’m holding out hope those within the ADs office can have a serious conversation about the trajectory of the program and changes that need to take place
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Tiger Titan [47571]
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It has nothing to do with envy or jealousy.
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Nov 6, 2024, 8:37 AM
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It is about Dabo significantly underperforming his salary four years in a row now.
Contracts aren’t just rewards for previous success, they are also expectations for future accomplishments.
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Top TigerNet [30295]
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Serious question
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Nov 6, 2024, 8:50 AM
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The last 4 years - 10-3, 11-3, 9-4, 6-2 for 36-12, 75%
assuming you're including this incomplete season and not 2020 to 2023.
Since he was 'significantly underperforming", what would have been more appropriate?
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Heisman Winner [80904]
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Tommy Bowden would probably have given a gonad for those "disappointing"
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Nov 7, 2024, 2:03 PM
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seasons. This site is now full of boiled sprats who think winning Nattys is going to be the norm every year.
Nick Saban, with every advantage in the WORLD, "only" won six in 17 years at Alabama. And yes, there were idjits wanting to run HIM off after a couple years in a row when they DIDN'T win one.
Self entitled fandom is a real thing in this social media driven age.
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Rival Killer [2916]
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Moot point.
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Nov 7, 2024, 2:10 PM
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Bringing up terrible ancient history to justify bad recent history doesn't cut it.
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Heisman Winner [80904]
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A very wise man once said, "Those who do no learn from the mistakes of history
Nov 7, 2024, 3:54 PM
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are doomed to repeat them."
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Standout [240]
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Re: Serious question
Nov 7, 2024, 5:54 PM
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What top tier teams have we beaten in that time frame?
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Top TigerNet [32630]
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if people have a problem with coaching salaries they can easily stop
Nov 6, 2024, 10:06 AM
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donating to IPTAY. The money will dry up.
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Re: $11 million
Nov 6, 2024, 10:50 AM
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Whenever I hear "Fire Dabo" I always ask who they would hire to replace him.....nobody ever has a real answer.
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Clemson Conqueror [11457]
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Re: $11 million
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Nov 6, 2024, 11:06 AM
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I'm sure they'd want to go with the WR coach again since it worked so well last time...so Tyler Grisham.
Imagine the savings.
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Heisman Winner [80904]
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Now, THAT'D be a "D+" hire.
Nov 7, 2024, 3:55 PM
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Rival Killer [3023]
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Re: $11 million
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The Cult of Dabo on display here.
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Ring of Honor [22098]
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Where do I begin....
Nov 7, 2024, 2:24 PM
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I actually see it the opposite way: in a capitalist society, you don’t keep your earnings based on past accomplishments alone, you keep earning them by delivering results in the present. Yes, Dabo earned his big contract with those two championships and an impressive rise for Clemson. But an $11 million contract today comes with high expectations for today’s results. It's not about “wealth envy”—it’s about staying competitive and relevant, especially given what we're paying.
It’s reasonable to expect performance to match the price tag. Coaches know the drill: their contracts reflect both what they’ve done and what they’re expected to keep doing. If a coach making $11 million isn’t delivering results in line with the investment, that’s a fair concern. It's not personal; it's just the reality of competitive sports (and a $92 million contract).
As for replacements, it’s less about a hypothetical “$3 million coach” than about accountability for high-stakes contracts. Fans aren't wrong for expecting excellence, especially at this price level.
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Playmaker [392]
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Re: $11 million
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Dabo got the $11M when we were competing for Nattys. He hasn’t done shat for the last 4 soon to 5 years. So should we pay him $11M for eternity? It’s time for hard headed dabo to change…or go! It’s that simple!!
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