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Is Troy Aikman still slamming DW4 this morning? It
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Sep 19, 2023, 8:32 AM
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was non-stop last night. Granted Deshaun did not have a great game, but geez Troy give it a rest...we know you aren't a fan. Losing Chubb hurt, coupled with the Brown's WRs unable to catch a cold, AND also TJ Watt camping in their backfield, it was a tough row to hoe.
Still DW4 and the Browns had a chance up until the no-call PI at the end of the game.
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Re: Is Troy Aikman still slamming DW4 this morning? It
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Sep 19, 2023, 8:36 AM
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Imagine Troy without Emmitt Smith. Oh yeah, you couldn't because nobody would care or remember his sorry butt. Look at his stats, very pedestrian and that is being nice.
Game manager, basically a Trent Dilfer but Troy had superior offensive line, running back, and wide receiver.
Not to mention TJ Watt lived in the backfield the entire game. He wrecked the game plan for Cleveland
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Easy bud
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Sep 19, 2023, 8:55 AM
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Troy was a phenomenal QB, it was a different game back then. Troy is a hall of famer, made the big throws when asked, was an amazing leader. He could’ve carried a team with his arm if asked, that just wasn’t their offense (or most back in the early 90’s). He could’ve played in any era, Dilfer is 100% the worst QB to ever win a SB and would never even win a player of the week award, let alone a gold jacket. I like you DK but you need to take a lap for this take.
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Re: Easy bud
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Sep 19, 2023, 9:03 AM
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I think Redskins QB was worse QB to win SB. FYI also Elway was terrible in SBs until Davis arrived for 2 SB wins. Even Tom Brady never won SB by himself.
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Re: Easy bud
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Sep 19, 2023, 9:46 AM
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I need to take a lot of laps my friend, I understand.
Troy was good QB, but not phenomenal. You said it yourself, a system QB if there ever was one. They played to their strength which was a run blocking line that could dominate any defensive unit in football.
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Wrong. He is a Hall of Famer. No Hall of fame QB is a system QB***
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Sep 19, 2023, 10:48 AM
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his OL is also in the HOF..
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Sep 19, 2023, 3:08 PM
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never will win these arguments but i'll make them any way
YOu put Aikmen, Irvin, and Smith on the browns and none of them win a superbowl.
They won on that Oline and a really good defense.
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he also had the luxury of years of the best Offensive Line
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Sep 20, 2023, 8:31 AM
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money could buy. If deshaun had his Oline he would be on par with Troy. If Troy had to run every play to get clear passing lane he would've last about a year in the league.
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The Steelers stink though
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Sep 19, 2023, 8:41 AM
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Having a chance to beat them at the end isn't exactly an accomplishment. Watson was given a record deal to go in there and compete for a super bowl, and he, quite frankly, has stunk since he got to Cleveland.
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You're not wrong...still Chub stays in the game and I think
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Sep 19, 2023, 8:53 AM
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Browns pull it off. With really only 1 decent receiver and a suspect O-line, DW4 has his work cut out for him. With Chubb out they'll have to change their game plan, but do they have the personnel?
The Steelers, which are my team, have major issues and it starts with Pickett.
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Re: You're not wrong...still Chub stays in the game and I think
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Steelers are my team too. I think it starts with running the ball. Team can't run. Period. Harris is a bust
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Re: The Steelers stink though
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Sep 19, 2023, 8:59 AM
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He stunk at Houston after he became sexual predator.
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he was only the offensive MVP for the whole league his last
Sep 20, 2023, 8:29 AM
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year in Houston dopey.
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Re: Is Troy Aikman still slamming DW4 this morning? It
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Sep 19, 2023, 8:49 AM
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take your orange tinted glasses off...
DW4 has stunk it up since he return. He looks extremely uncomfortable and seems to have lost his touch on the ball
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Re: Is Troy Aikman still slamming DW4 this morning? It
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Sep 19, 2023, 9:01 AM
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I think him taking a season off really hurt his game
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DW4 did not play well last night
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He had 3 TOs and completed less than 60% of his throws. I don't recall Aikman saying anything unfair about him. The plain truth is if you're gonna be paid close to $50M/year you should be a game changer; he has not been that yet for Cleveland.
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One of the TO's was off his receiver's hands and should've
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Sep 19, 2023, 9:34 AM
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been caught but instead was a pick 6. They are building, have built, the offense around Chubb. They'll have to make adjustments going forward or find another Chubb.
I somewhat agree with you, BUT Deshaun can't catch his own passes and if it hits you in the hands in the NFL it should be caught. There were numerous drops last night. He has (1) receiver, Amari Cooper, and that is about it. Njoku is a decent TE.
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Re: One of the TO's was off his receiver's hands and should've
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Sep 19, 2023, 12:15 PM
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Agreed. He also has Elijah Moore who doesn't understand the concept of keeping your feet in bounds on sideline catches.
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Aikman made a profound statement before Browns last drive
Sep 19, 2023, 9:38 AM
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He noted that DW4 had not had a game-winning late drive since 2019. I love DW4 and he was my alltime favorite Clemson player when at Clemson. But I think Deshaun was sidelined for so long, he will never be the qb he was. At that level, I don’t think it’s at all likely that he will ever be “that guy” again. And I am sorry about that.
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The Nick Chubb injury was horrible to see.***
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Sep 19, 2023, 9:09 AM
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Die hard Steelers fan, but the Browns win that game 8/10 times.
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Sep 19, 2023, 9:11 AM
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Steelers are extremely fortunate to get a win, and it took two defensive TD’s and a broken Chubb to do it.
The Steelers have a lot of work to do, starting with one of the worst offenses in the league.
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Re: Is Troy Aikman still slamming DW4 this morning? It
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He was 22-40 with 6 sacks and had several penalties called on himself. Granted he got little help. It was an ugly game for both offenses but Aikman was equally hard on Pickett. Aikman is supposed to give his insight, he called it the way he saw it and I agreed with most he was saying. Crazy how some on this board believe every announcer, media individual is out to get everything Clemson...current players, past players, Dabo, it just goes on and on. We are a national brand, take the good with the bad.
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Re: Is Troy Aikman still slamming DW4 this morning? It
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Sep 19, 2023, 9:31 AM
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There were a bunch of balls thrown out of bounds when he was trying to hit a receiver on the boundary.
Those were not good throws.
and the personal fouls were deserved and unnecessary.
He didn't have a good game but the bad throws are especially worrying.
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Re: Is Troy Aikman still slamming DW4 this morning? It
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Browns would have won without the Chubb injury. He was shredding them.
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It was Joe Buck slamming him not Troy
Sep 19, 2023, 10:46 AM
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I wouldn’t pay too much attention to that kind of stuff. With Watson was accused of, unproven allegations by the way, people are going to pile on him for any game the Browns don’t win. Just the nature of the beast.
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Re: Is Troy Aikman still slamming DW4 this morning? It
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Agree. I lost all respect for Troy about 3 years ago. He played on a team with lots of talent that he owes much of his success to.
My sets volume is set to low when he is on.
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Aikman doing his job.
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Sep 19, 2023, 12:07 PM
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Didn’t seem overly harsh to me. But his job is to not cut breaks but to pontificate.
However, I will give you a TU because you are defending DW and are true fan.
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Re: Is Troy Aikman still slamming DW4 this morning? It
Sep 19, 2023, 1:23 PM
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The NFL is going after him now for shoving an official . Probably be suspended. I hate he's having to go through all this
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i love how a QB running for his life on every play is his
Sep 20, 2023, 7:26 AM
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fault and somehow getting hit from behind and fumbling is bad qb play. Deshaun is just hated now from the public eye and its easier to pile on. He didn't do himself any favors with the facemask pull down and fight on the side lines. Deshaun isn't doing himself any favors there.
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Re: Is Troy Aikman still slamming DW4 this morning? It
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I was annoyed by Joe Buck. He complained the whole game. The Browns seemed to have no WRs besides an ailing Amari Cooper. Not only was there severe defensive pressure, Deshaun got only a few seconds to see all of the non-separation. Then he had few chances to escape. Too bad for Chubb. Everything seemed to go wrong for the Browns, including the iron fingered receivers.
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