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Oculus Spirit [91130]
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Is powerful O better than similar D? Stats show this.......
Nov 27, 2012, 1:07 PM
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As of 11-27-12 the #1 Team is ND with #2 defense...and #2 Team is Bama with #1 defense. Case made!!
So DABO...get with it and stop recruiting so many 5* WR's or
RB's..and git some big fast mean Linemen, LB'ers & DB's too. You've got the QB's for the next 4-6 years I believe..so you know what to do.
And, don't look so far..just check out the local boys who want to hit, tackle & win for Clemson.
GoTiGERs..."STAND UP UNDER FIRE" and win!
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Rock Defender [54]
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Did you see TAMU versus Alabama?
Nov 27, 2012, 1:16 PM
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Good offense can beat good defense, IF you compete on the LOS.
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Oculus Spirit [91130]
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Yeah...you're right but Bama's receiver was out of position
Nov 27, 2012, 1:19 PM
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on possible winning TD pass in the corner of the end zone..and aTm would have lost. So close..but I was glad for Johnny "Mr Football".
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Rock Defender [54]
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So you agree - good offense can beat good defense .. if
Nov 27, 2012, 1:21 PM
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you can maintain the LOS.
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yes, i did. i saw an alabama team fresh off a brutal game
Nov 27, 2012, 1:23 PM
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against division rival lsu. i saw a tamu team jump out to a 20pt 1st quarter lead and then hold on as bama stood inside the 10 with a chance to win.
you can pick onesies all day long, but the only hunh to win it all has been a cam newton lead auburn. i think the vultures are circling that program right now because of it.
i believe on any given saturday team a might rise up and beat team b, but by the numbers, big boy football seems to be winning more championships for now.
it might change.
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Rock Defender [54]
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So you saw a big OL move the ball and score when it had to?
Nov 27, 2012, 1:31 PM
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Oklahoma, USC, Texas... right off the top, offenses that won or were equally responsible for MNCs.
I'm certainly not saying you don't need solid defense, but good offense can win games too.
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Heisman Winner [108390]
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Re: So you saw a big OL move the ball and score when it had to?
Nov 27, 2012, 1:52 PM
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and they lost to florida and lsu, both with insane defenses and offenses that lend themselves to their d by controlling the clock.
all those teams had great defenses with offenses that lent themselves to their d and visa versa.
auburn with fairly was a dynamic d, but i don't know if they finished in the top 50 nationally.
they seem to be the one team that managed a championship with a questionable d.
i'm not sure i follow you. as i said, yes, on any given saturday, but if you look at all those championships teams, i think defense is a premium.
except as was mentioned auburn.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Again, OF COURSE you need a solid defense to be elite.
Nov 27, 2012, 2:11 PM
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But solid offense can beat solid defense too. I mentioned several examples of teams with prolific offenses winning MNCs in the last decade or so.
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Heisman Winner [108390]
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the numbers i provided aren't just solid, they are elite d.
Nov 27, 2012, 2:16 PM
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you used tamu. they can win with O.
tamu is 1 of 3 against elite d this year. that's a good avg in baseball.
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Rock Defender [54]
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So all you need is an elite defense?
Nov 27, 2012, 2:43 PM
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LOL. Okay.
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Heisman Winner [108390]
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no, but it seems to be the common thread in all but 1 of
Nov 27, 2012, 2:51 PM
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those championship teams and the reason for the cliche.
tamu still 1 of 3 and not playing for a championship, while 2 stauch defenses are once again vying for the crystal ball?
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Rock Defender [54]
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Have you checked the offenses of those winning teams?
Nov 27, 2012, 3:14 PM
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I think most of them were pretty darn good.
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Heisman Winner [108390]
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i'm sure they were, really isn't the question of the op now
Nov 27, 2012, 3:16 PM
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is it?
tamu, your example, still 1 of 3 against defense first teams?
does defense win championships in your world or just everyone elses?
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Rock Defender [54]
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Nobody said prolific O beats elite D every time, but the
Nov 27, 2012, 3:19 PM
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facts show you need good offense just as much as a good defense. The elite teams have that, and that's why they win. Balance is what makes them elite.
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Heisman Winner [108390]
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i know no one said that, it can though. what are you
Nov 27, 2012, 3:29 PM
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arguing about?
you explained away 2 prolific defenses by using the tamu example.
tamu also lost to lsu and florida which makes them 1 of 3 vs similar styled teams.
is that good? i don't think so.
back to the op. bama's there, nd's there, but no prolific o. same as last year.
it would seem, that although a powerful offense can best a powerful defense, defense first[not only as you have suggested, but never by me] is the way to go.
the op would like to see dabo and this team focus on the dside for a while and i agree.
what's your confuse?
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Re: So you saw a big OL move the ball and score when it had to?
Nov 27, 2012, 2:02 PM
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since the 2003 season.
winner/ttl defensive rank
03 lsu/1
04 usc/2
05 tejas/5
06 uf/7
07 lsu/20
08 uf/5
09 bama/1
10 aub/50ish
11 bama/1
which one doesn't belong?
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Rock Defender [54]
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Again, you're missing the point. I'm not saying a 50-ish
Nov 27, 2012, 2:13 PM
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ranked defense is the where we should hope to be. I'm saying prolific offense can beat good defense just the same as vice versa.
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Heisman Winner [108390]
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tamu, your example, 1 of 3 vs elite d. it CAN be done, it
Nov 27, 2012, 2:20 PM
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happened 1 of 3 times.
fantastic.
d wins championships and is the tie that binds all those teams together.
i think that was the op's question.
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Rock Defender [54]
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I listed several examples...
Nov 27, 2012, 2:42 PM
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Again, good defense alone is not assuredly the answer. When you have a prolific offense, you can beat a good defense. And yes, a good defense can go along way as well. Simple football 101. I'm not sure where you're getting confused.
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Heisman Winner [108390]
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by your 1 time example and i showed you where your 1 time
Nov 27, 2012, 2:48 PM
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example got beat twice by similar styles.
you seem to be the one confused.
i can't help what you wrote, i can only bring it back to the initial op.
defense > offense although yes, a good offense can beat good defense, just doesn't seem to happen without both.
where's your confuse?
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Rock Defender [54]
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You seem to be having trouble with sample sizes...
Nov 27, 2012, 3:17 PM
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I posted one example of how a prolific offense can beat a solid defense.
Prolific offense can beat equal or lesser defense, just like elite defense can beat equal or good offense.
You're implying good defense always wins. You're confused.
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Heisman Winner [108390]
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i implied nothing of the sort. now you're just making shizz
Nov 27, 2012, 3:21 PM
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up as usual.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Wow. You really are confused.
Nov 27, 2012, 3:24 PM
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Again, my statement stands...
Good offense can beat good defense, IF you compete on the LOS.
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Heisman Winner [108390]
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wow, yes, it can, on any given saturday...
Nov 27, 2012, 3:33 PM
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hang your hat on 1 of 3.
us can beat mexico in soccer.
jmu can beat vpi in football.
i can do it too.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Actually, the word is DID.***
Nov 27, 2012, 2:07 PM
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All-In [45047]
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Okay I really need to know the answer to this question.
Nov 27, 2012, 1:32 PM
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Is a 5 asterik player better than a 5 star player?
So DABO...get with it and stop recruiting so many 5* WR's or
RB's..and git some big fast mean Linemen, LB'ers & DB's too. You've got the QB's for the next 4-6 years I believe..so you know what to do.
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Orange Blooded [2609]
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Re: Is powerful O better than similar D? Stats show this.......
Nov 27, 2012, 2:44 PM
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Ill have to agree...good point.
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Re: Is powerful O better than similar D? Stats show this.......
Nov 27, 2012, 2:46 PM
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IMO, you need to have an above avg O and D. However, in the SEC games are won in the trenches. If you can't move the pile one way or another, or get pressure on the QB's good teams are going to run/pass over you.
Some of the highest paid people in the NFL are DE's or LT's.
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