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Is it a bad idea to bring wife and children, about 10 years
Nov 15, 2017, 1:04 PM
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in age, to Williams-brice as Clemson fans?
I have heard some things that make me concerned about whether it would be at a minimum an inappropriate setting, for the kids in particular, if not downright unsafe.
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Your wife is only ten?***
Nov 15, 2017, 1:05 PM
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Maybe she is a 10 and he's afraid she'll leave with a coot.***
Nov 15, 2017, 1:13 PM
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maybe he's roy moore and he's started dating older
Nov 15, 2017, 1:39 PM
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I'd keep them out of Cola all together
Nov 15, 2017, 1:06 PM
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Especially 5 points and The Roach.
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Re: I'd keep them out of Cola all together
Nov 15, 2017, 3:13 PM
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Anyone who's watched Live PD knows it's best to avoid the entire area.
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Life lessons are a good thing.***
Nov 15, 2017, 1:07 PM
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Re: Life lessons are a good thing.***
Nov 15, 2017, 3:11 PM
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Provided you survive them. But sometimes hanging with that class of folks gives you a better appreciation of your own good fortunes.
Go Tigers!!!
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Re: Is it a bad idea to bring wife and children, about 10 years
Nov 15, 2017, 1:07 PM
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No its fine you will have fun
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Re: Is it a bad idea to bring wife and children, about 10 years
Nov 15, 2017, 3:10 PM
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Provided you are prepared to defend your wife and kid's honor...
Tough place to be - folks mating in the parking areas where they pee. Enough said.
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Re: Is it a bad idea to bring wife and children, about 10 years
Nov 15, 2017, 1:08 PM
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I swore after the '75 game I would never go back and I've never regretted it since.
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Re: Is it a bad idea to bring wife and children, about 10 years
Nov 15, 2017, 1:12 PM
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I said the same thing after the '77 game...the one when Jerry Butler caught the touchdown in the end zone. We were belted with liquor bottles as we left. I have never been back and don't plan to ever go in future!
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Re: Is it a bad idea to bring wife and children, about 10 years
Nov 15, 2017, 1:18 PM
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At some point in their lives your children will be introduced to the lesser things in life but there is no point in starting now at that young age. I know some people who are gamecocks alums or fans and they are nice folks but apparently they aren’t the ones who attend games. I’ve can truthfully say that I have never had a pleasant experience at Willy B ......... and it ain’t because the Tigers lose! Something about that garnet and black gives new meaning to the word redneck.
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It's a crap shoot***
Nov 15, 2017, 1:10 PM
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Re: It's a crap shoot***
Nov 15, 2017, 1:24 PM
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Especially in the bathrooms from what I hear...
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I'm going to need more information before I can help
Nov 15, 2017, 1:12 PM
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starting out with pics of your wife. TIA
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I'll work on that lol***
Nov 15, 2017, 1:15 PM
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I wouldn’t recommend it.
Nov 15, 2017, 1:15 PM
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Used to take my son every year beginning when he was two. Sat in south end zone and had no problems. When he was 10 we sat in east lower, and it was not good (until Buckholtz hit the game winning FG) and we left. Young married couple behind us throwing F-bombs all game. The following game (2009) we sat in east upper, and as we walked out in disappointment some old man got in my face and started screaming. Didn’t go back until 2015, and didn’t have a problem since it was 50% orange.
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Re: Is it a bad idea to bring wife and children, about 10 years
Nov 15, 2017, 1:16 PM
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If you like them I wouldn't take the children.
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I would not take my child to the game in WB at night. Period***
Nov 15, 2017, 1:20 PM
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^^^this^^^***
Nov 15, 2017, 2:15 PM
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That's what the terrorists .. er chicken fans want .... fear
Nov 15, 2017, 1:21 PM
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You should go ... take as many Tiger fans as you can.
Don't let the terrorists win.
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Good chance to lead by example. You'll most certainly
Nov 15, 2017, 1:25 PM
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see some bad behavior, but you don't have to show any yourself. To me its a win/win...you get to see the Tigers smack around the chickens a little bit, and your son/daughter will leave with a good reason to dislike chicken fans.
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Haven’t been back since the 63 to 17 game. The
Nov 15, 2017, 1:25 PM
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Language and vile me and my 12 year son were exposed to was disgusting. It wasn’t just drunk frat boys but entire families! When Clemson scored its first touchdown a family of 4, two boys about ages 12 and 14 and mom and dad sitting in front is us all turned around and flipped us off! It went down hill from there and we moved 4 times.
Over the years I’ve been to about 30 games at WB and I’ve never been to game where someone in stands wasn’t arrested or a fight broke out. It is by far the worse gameday environment that I’ve seen and makes NCState look like choir boys.
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Their fans will be in rare form at a night game
Nov 15, 2017, 1:35 PM
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Just expect to hear a lot of F-bombs if the tigers start rolling.
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Re: Is it a bad idea to bring wife and children, about 10 years
Nov 15, 2017, 1:46 PM
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If you have a thick skin, then get ready for verbal abuse of all kinds. It should be what one would call a "teaching moment"---resisting the temptation to knock some c0cklover the he(( out.
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Re: Is it a bad idea to bring wife and children, about 10 years
Nov 15, 2017, 1:51 PM
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Not at night time.
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I'm not afraid to go to a game anywhere and never will be
Nov 15, 2017, 1:54 PM
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just be smart
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Re: I'm not afraid to go to a game anywhere and never will be
Nov 15, 2017, 3:02 PM
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It’s not a question of fear!
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Bring your own ice***
Nov 15, 2017, 2:11 PM
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Re: Bring your own ice***
Nov 15, 2017, 4:37 PM
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And porta-john!
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Re: Is it a bad idea to bring wife and children, about 10 years
Nov 15, 2017, 2:17 PM
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There’s only one way to make a game at Williams-Brice less enjoyable than it already is:
Bringing your wife & kids.
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Yep!
Nov 15, 2017, 2:51 PM
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Although I must say two of the easiest times I've ever had there were the 45-0 and 63-17 games. No Coots were left after the third quarter to be obnoxious.
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It will be awful. Their behavior will be terrible.
Nov 15, 2017, 2:52 PM
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But take your kid. Let them see the behavior and use it as a teachable moment to show your child how Clemson fans can exhibit classier behavior.
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Here is my experience from Tiger Band
Nov 15, 2017, 2:55 PM
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2013, Tiger Band goes to Williams Brice. I'm sorry about the length, but this is 100% true. Police had us rally at a lot 1/2 mile away. We tried to drive right up to the stadium, but a large mob (150+ coot fans of all ages) was surrounding our buses and becoming increasingly violent (rocking the buses, blocking our path, flipping us off and screaming awful things at us, pelting buses with beer bottles and rocks). At one point, a group of younger coot fans tried to break into the bus the cheerleaders were on with a crowbar. They were very drunk and behaving very violently. SLED pulled the plug and made us rally at an industrial parking lot on the other side of the practice facility location. On one side of us, Williams Brice and the fairgrounds with thousands of hostile drunk coots, on the other side, a ghetto with gang banger looking people eyeing us up and jawing at us. It was scary, we wren't allowed off the buses and were told to change and warm up on the buses (it wasn't all bad since I was on the bus with the dancers).
We got into our parade block with SLED officers making a perimeter around us and started walking. immediately after leaving the parking lot, a large chevy truck with a truck bed full of drunk coot fans drove straight through our formation. Like, straight through the middle, spinning tires to try and spray us with gravel. They almost ran over the entire flute section. They also threw bottles at us. The truck was finally deterred when a SLED agent essentially drove his police cruiser in front of the truck as they turned around to make another pass at us.
Tiger Band then had to march straight through the entire length of the coot tailgate to the west of the stadium. It was a 1/2 mile march, and we had 6 Columbia PD officers (3 on each side of the band) guarding 300 Tiger Band members as we marched 1/2 mile through the thickets part of the coot tailgaters, thousands of them. SLED officers were called away and replaced with Columbia PD officers for the escort. For the next 20 minutes, we were
-pelted with bottles -spit on -flipped off -called many 4 letter words -assaulted (many times drunk coot fans would jump into our parade block and punch band members) -had stuff stolen off of us (drunk coot fans jumping in, trying to rip our instruments away, take our hats, rip the sashes off our uniforms, punch holes through the drums, etc).
About 6 Tiger Band members had to be redirected to the EMTs because of head injuries and lacerations from coot fans throwing or swinging glass bottles at us, 2 officers had to escort them to the EMTs. So for about 1/4 of a mile we only had 4 officers escorting us.
The Columbia PD who replaced our SLED escorts also turned a blind eye to the coot fans assaulting us. In this situation, a drunk coot fan jumped into our parade block and smashed a beer bottle against a trombone player's head. The Columbia PD officers simply pushed him into the crowd and told him to settle down. 5 minutes later, a drunk Clemson fan walked up to the band and started high fiving us and accidentally bumped into one of the Columbia PD officers when he was backing up from giving us high fives. He was then tackled by one of the Columbia PD officers, tased, placed in handcuffs, and arrested. No repercussions for a coot fan swinging at our heads with a beer bottle, handcuffs and charges for a Clemson fan that accidentally tripped and stumbled into one of the officers.
When our band director, Dr. Spede, confronted the Columbia PD escorts and chewed them out for not providing enough protection against the drunk coot fans, the officer responded with "well, maybe the band should stay home next time". The police officer also claimed to be a lifelong fan of South Carolina and blamed the fans behavior on our presence.
One young man decided to try and pee on us from the top of a Cockaboose.
During the game, things were thrown at us, we were constantly harassed and berated, and passing coots would smack our instruments away from our faces or spit on us.
Leaving the stadium was almost just as bad, they beat us in 2013 so after the game they were less interested in harassing the band, although plenty people did. There weren't as many bottles thrown, but plenty of people still tried to jump into our parade and fight us, spit on us, swear at us, etc.
Just before we got back to our parking lot rally point, we heard gunshots nearby (less than 100 yards). Apparently a fight broke out between some redneck coot fans and some of the locals from the nearby ghetto. While the gun shots were not targeting us, they were close enough and reckless enough to have hit us. We were told to get on the buses, get down, and buses were to drive off. We weren't given a chance to pack up or eat, we just needed to get to a place that was safer for us to regroup. We moved to the parking lot at Harbison where we were able to get off the buses, change, and eat.
Fast forward 2 years, 2015. We are coming into Willy B undefeated and ranked #1. Coots come into Willy B with a 3-8 record, unranked.
This time in 2015, we had made arrangements to park at and stay within the coot practice facility to avoid being harassed by coot fans.
Time comes to suit up and march to the stadium. We get in our parade block and start marching, I was anticipating more violence. Nothing happens. State fairgrounds is mostly dead. A decent amount of tailgaters, but not as many as 2013, and none of them paid us any attention. They knew they were going to lose, so they left us alone. We had a nice, short walk to the stadium with no issues, and all was dead quiet on our way back after the game.
So, to make it short, if the coots look competitive (ranked close to us or similar record with lots of hype like the 2013 game) expect a reenactment of Mad Max on the fairgrounds, be careful and stay around Clemson fans. If its a situation where the coots have had a terrible season and we are expected to blow them out, enjoy the peace and quiet and have a great time.
With this game coming up, I would not go. The coots will likely be 8-3 coming into this game, which is a good season for them and above their pre-season expectations. After seeing how NC State played us closely and Syracuse beat us, expect the coots to come out in full force thinking they are going to wipe the floor with us. They will be rabid and eager to beat us and will likely show up with the worst people and the worst attitudes.
If you are going, I would not tailgate before the game unless you have a very large tailgate of Clemson folks to share with. If you dont have a large group to tailgate with before the game, then do. not. tailgate. Get there in time for the game. I don't know what it is, maybe its the character of the school, the location of the stadium, or something in the water but the Palmetto Bowl at Williams Brice when the coots have a good season is not a safe place for you or your family. Also note, that in my experience, Columbia PD will NOT help you if you are a Clemson fan and you are the victim of an altercation between yourself and a coot instigator.
The bottom line: if you read coot forums or see their posts on facebook, you will see that they believe they are going to "stomp" us this year. They have 3 years of frustrations built up and they are royally P-Oed about the 56-7 beatdown and us winning the national championship this year. They will be drunk, rowdy, rude, and possibly violent towards Clemson fans. If you have made plans to go by yourself or your family and you do not plan to tailgate with a huge group of Clemson fans, then you should stay home because this area in these conditions will not be safe for you.
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Gotdam, is this real? Aleppo sounds safer than that 2013
Nov 15, 2017, 3:16 PM
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experience you had at the Willy B.
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Re: Gotdam, is this real? Aleppo sounds safer than that 2013
Nov 15, 2017, 4:31 PM
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Yup, very very real. It was not a fun trip.
Luckily, now that I've gotten out into the professional world, I have met more reasonable and family friendly coots, but I can never forget how they treated us in 2013.
I will say, college marching bands tend to attract the worst fans from every fanbase. Marching bands stick out like a sore thumb. Marching bands are the guardians and ambassadors of school spirit. Wherever Tiger Band goes, its like they are carrying the Clemson Arc of the Covenant and we are like a giant orange beacon to Clemson fans, but a big paw shaped target for all of the most degenerate fans of every fan base we encounter. So we are more prone to being the subject of abuse than your average fan.
HOWEVER, I have NEVER seen trash, violence, and harassment on the scale that you'll see at Williams Brice. When you go to a school with a trash reputation, like NC State or FSU, you'll be able to see and identify the pockets of trashy fans. They stick to their own secluded tailgates and seating sections. Basically, the average fans are the majority, while the trashy fans are the outliers, though some places have more outliers that are more vocal or obnoxious than others.
But at Carolina, the nastiness is so widely dispersed across their entire fanbase that this type of behavior IS the average. It is remarkable.
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Re: Gotdam, is this real? Aleppo sounds safer than that 2013
Nov 15, 2017, 4:55 PM
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My grandfather, God rest his soul, was an ardent Chicken supporter after graduating from there, teaching there, and also building quite a bit of buildings there. He attended nearly every home game for 30+ years, stayed until the end (even in the worst of beat downs), and wore his chicken gear no matter how bad they were. Once Lou got there and the types of players he recruited and then it seemed to rub off on their fans too, my grandfather quit going. He said he was embarrassed by the types of players that were playing there and even more embarrassed by the behavior of the fans(and no we didn't openly say we were embarrassed for him too . By the time Spurrier had them playing better his ALZ was so bad I don't think he knew it was even going on. Thankfully my dad was a rebel of sorts, and chose to be a Clemson fan back in the 60's and luckily I was raised one too. I know I wouldn't take my wife or kids to a game there unless we went in wearing none team related clothing and didn't openly cheer! Oh and I'd have to be allowed to bring in my own ice and porta-john!
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Re: Gotdam, is this real? Aleppo sounds safer than that 2013
Nov 15, 2017, 10:26 PM
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Sounds like we need to hire some extra security for our band members. They work and practice to hard to ever get treated like this
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That's horrible! They sound awful! You'd think there would
Nov 15, 2017, 5:08 PM
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have been a mandate by now from somebody to clean it up!
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That is truly pathetic...really had no idea that our band
Nov 15, 2017, 7:22 PM
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could be subjected to such behavior at an away game. I (wrongly) assumed that you guys just got off the buses near the stadium and marched right in a few feet away without having to go through a gauntlet of drunk fans. Incredible and disturbing story.
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wow. USC’s music department should help arrange a better
Nov 15, 2017, 8:25 PM
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Situation for Tigerband. When I went in 1985 as tigerband member, the USC band could not have been nicer. (At least from my limited perspective)I would hope if USC or any other band at Clemson is treated that way, the university police should be involved
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Re: wow. USC’s music department should help arrange a better
Nov 15, 2017, 9:21 PM
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That same usc band that started playing a song while we sung out alma mater last year?
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I’m giving them benefit of doubt based past experience. But
Nov 15, 2017, 9:30 PM
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That was a long time ago and society is far worse now.
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Re: Here is my experience from Tiger Band
Nov 15, 2017, 9:40 PM
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The 63-17 game started out just like you said. They thought they was going to kick our ###. My husband and I didn’t go inside the stadium, we were guest of a foot couple that had permanent parking and tickets to the coop center. Even with this suppose to be a nice area, they still showed their character just not as many in there. But it was glourious when before half time we had the whole building to ourselves. All of the grills were gone and the only thing you could hear was Tiger Band and the Clemson / Tigers going back and forth across the stadium. I would never take children into that stadium. You may end up going to jail and then what would you do with your kids
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Re: Here is my experience from Tiger Band
Nov 15, 2017, 10:34 PM
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Well, after that experience I can see why you chose yr name!+1
I hope that this year's band brings cameras and takes some video of their experience at W-B and posts it on tigernet for the whole world to see what you guys in the band have to go through. That might get some changes made down there-if not it would at least be another embarrassment for the Coot administration and the Columbia PD.
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Re: Here is my experience from Tiger Band
Nov 16, 2017, 7:43 AM
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At a loss for words. Many people have lost all sense of decency and civility. Always proud of the kind words from visitors to Death Valley and the hospitality they are shown.
Also, thanks for your service as a member of our Tiger Band.
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I'd be very hesitant to take children that age.***
Nov 15, 2017, 2:58 PM
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Orange Blooded [2896]
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You will see the worst of the human race on display there.
Nov 15, 2017, 4:41 PM
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It has gotten worse each time down there. F-bombs will be flying before, during and after game. Sadly, the so-called females are just as bad as the males. Just a complete lack of class by the majority of the whole place from the bottom feeder fans to the top administrators. It’s the scum of the earth and the armpit of the South.
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110%er [6109]
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I went in 2015 with my wife and boys
Nov 15, 2017, 8:12 PM
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Stadium was 30% or more Clemson as coots had no interest in that game. Rode in a black Suburban with gamecock relative. Coots could see my family dressed in Orange, Plenty of foul language and yelling obscenities directed at us as we drove in through Olympia. My kids were a little shocked, but more amazed that people act this way. Once in stadium it wasn’t bad. I will say coots are much nastier and drunker at night. I would go, but be prepared for some idiots.
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All-American [567]
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Re: Is it a bad idea to bring wife and children, about 10 years
Nov 15, 2017, 9:26 PM
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I went once in college, with a bunch of my buddies, most of who were rugby players, and my family. We won, 13-9, Charlie whitehurst the coot killer 1st and 35! I have also sworn I'll never go back, and that was as a 21 yo college kid in a winning game. I would never consider taking my wife, and especially not my young kids.
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Re: Is it a bad idea to bring wife and children, about 10 years
Nov 15, 2017, 9:26 PM
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I, personally, would not. It gets very nasty quick.
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Re: Is it a bad idea to bring wife and children, about 10 years
Nov 15, 2017, 9:56 PM
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If you can make it to halftime it'll be like a Clemson home game after that
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110%er [6109]
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Except for the stragglers outside yelling F clemson
Nov 15, 2017, 10:05 PM
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To you as you walk past them.
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Re: Is it a bad idea to bring wife and children, about 10 years
Nov 15, 2017, 10:23 PM
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For a night game in Columbia I would not take the kids.You and the wife want to head there I say go for it, but y'all would be better off finding a babysitter for the tykes.Take them to Clemson next year instead.
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CU Medallion [60282]
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here's a chart for you
Nov 16, 2017, 8:15 AM
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Re: Is it a bad idea to bring wife and children, about 10 years
Nov 16, 2017, 8:51 AM
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Based on this thread all Clemson fans should stay at home.
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Orange Blooded [4504]
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Been to many games at W-B and had no trouble. W-B is
Nov 16, 2017, 8:55 AM
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a cake walk compared to Athens.
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110%er [5093]
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Re: Been to many games at W-B and had no trouble. W-B is
Nov 16, 2017, 9:11 AM
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Nice try ISIS. Don’t trust this man.
Stay far away unless you’re bringing the other 9 wife of the OP.
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Oculus Spirit [83263]
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Of course not.***
Nov 16, 2017, 9:20 AM
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Re: Is it a bad idea to bring wife and children, about 10 years
Nov 16, 2017, 10:41 AM
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We had a rule growing up from my Dad that we were not allowed to go to WB until we were in highschool. Once we went I learned why.
I now have a 13 month old and as far as I am concerned he is going to have the same rule. I am not going this year but if I go back in 2 years it will be an adults only weekend. I don't think it's fair or safe to expose him to that.
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All-In [27366]
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Are you bringing them up in one of those plastic bubble
Nov 16, 2017, 10:55 AM
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thingeys?
No, still wouldn't do it.
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