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Associate AD [1084]
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Is Dabo holding the program hostage?
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Nov 5, 2024, 8:33 AM
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I’m going to be short and to the point. I was thinking about this and have for quite some time. By not using NIL money to bid on the services of the HS players we used to get, and by not bringing in good portal players to shore up depth and talent issues at positions of need, is Dabo doing his best to field a great team?
Is Dabo’s high morals being used as an excuse to not do what he is supposed to do? He’s getting paid top dollar to win the conference and go to the playoffs. It’s not happening anymore. All this coincides with the NIL/Portal era of CFB.
I love Clemson. I loved it before I knew Dabo existed and I’ll love it after he is no longer affiliated. I think he needs to get going on these things or maybe consider retirement for the good of this proud, storied program.
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Rival Killer [2916]
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Short answer? Yes.
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Nov 5, 2024, 8:34 AM
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He may not look at it that way, and that may not be his intent, but it's the result.
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Game Day Hero [4122]
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Re: Short answer? Yes.
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Nov 5, 2024, 8:38 AM
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Do you think Clemson can outbid Alabama, Texas, Texas A&M, Ohio State, Michigan, Oregon, Tennessee & Miami? These teams are dropping 15-20 million a year on buying a team.
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Hall of Famer [8301]
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You miss 100% of the shots you dont take"***
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Nov 5, 2024, 8:40 AM
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Tiger Titan [47586]
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Ahh yes, the we cant afford players excuse.
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Nov 5, 2024, 8:45 AM
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Ridiculous.
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Orange Blooded [2367]
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Re: Ahh yes, the we cant afford players excuse.
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Nov 5, 2024, 9:24 AM
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You’ve made about a dozen posts wanting Venables back as your main man.
Ridiculous
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Valley Protector [1445]
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Re: Ahh yes, the we cant afford players excuse.
Nov 5, 2024, 2:18 PM
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Actually it's not ridiculous. Another poster pointed out that we ranked number 17 in nil money. We're in the lower half of the top 25 of nil money, and over the last 4 years we're the lower half of the top 25 in the rankings. It actually matches up about the way you would expect it would.
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Paw Warrior [4751]
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Re: You ain't been back long enough and still acting an a$$..***
Nov 5, 2024, 6:11 PM
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gsc,
Perhaps you could address his point rather reverting to ad hominem attacks. You are the one acting likeanass.
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Playmaker [357]
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National Champion [7749]
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Re: Short answer? Yes.
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Nov 5, 2024, 9:55 AM
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Clemson has money, maybe not as much as Texas. But I promise you the football program has the money to put where it’s needed/wanted. It’s left up to Dabo how to use it and spend it.
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National Champion [7749]
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Re: Short answer? Yes.
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Nov 5, 2024, 10:07 AM
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Also, we can somehow afford to pay Dabo 11 million/year and his top assistants millions, along with however many of his people he wants to add to the gravy train, but we have no money for NIL/Collective programs, and “buying” players?? Please.
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Rival Killer [2916]
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Valley Protector [1445]
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Re: Yes, we can
Nov 5, 2024, 2:14 PM
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See actually that kind of proves the point. We're number 17 in nil, and that's kind of where we've been finishing over the last 4 years. We finished number 14 in 2021, number 12 in 2022, number 20 in 2023, in number 17 this year. We're pretty much finishing around where you would expect the number 17 School in nil to finish, lower half of the top 25, which is exactly what we're doing.
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Game Changer [1646]
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Re: Yes, we can
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Nov 5, 2024, 2:28 PM
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Buddy, you are missing the entire point. We are number 17 in NIL but we are not using it the way a #17 NIL program should. We are finishing where we are by not using that so if we did I can assure you we would be finishing much higher. You must not be a businessman at all.
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Valley Protector [1445]
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Re: Yes, we can
Nov 5, 2024, 3:29 PM
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No you're missing the point. If the 16 schools ahead of us in nil use that nil money the way THEY should, then by definition they would be ahead of us.
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Starter [263]
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Dynasty Maker [3415]
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Re: Short answer? Yes.
Nov 5, 2024, 1:40 PM
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Yes, we can afford them. Especially with profit sharing going into effect this summer.
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Tiger Titan [47586]
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I think Dabo is doing his best within the framework of what he wants to do.
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Nov 5, 2024, 8:37 AM
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While that’s noble in some respects, it is a poor decision because he is failing to capitalize on legal avenues to improve our program.
In a high stakes, “what have you done for me lately?” sport, that’s not going to work.
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Paw Warrior [4751]
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Re: I think Dabo is doing his best within the framework of what he wants to do.
Nov 5, 2024, 6:13 PM
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Judge,
Exactly what is it that you think he wants to do ?
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Athletic Dir [1194]
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Re: Is Dabo holding the program hostage?
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Nov 5, 2024, 8:46 AM
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I bet he is a pain in the a$$ to work for. I'm sure none of the staff can utter the word "portal" in fear of getting fired from their cushy jobs. I am betting someday one of them will write a book and expose what a debacle that entire program was after all of his coaching talent left and he was on his own and in way over his head. His stance on the portal and NIL in my opinion are designed to cover up his coaching shortcomings. It's easy to hold that line and blame it all on the type of Christian program you are running. Who is gonna argue that point with him. I think he has fooled all of us to the tune of $11 mil a year. I also think no one else was as surprised about the success of the program in the glory years as he was. What a ride it was!! I think we are in for some rough times in the future and we will be seeing mediocre teams for some time to come. We've done it before and we can weather the storm again.
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Legend [6746]
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I think you will see changes. Losing to underdogs has that effect***
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Nov 5, 2024, 8:56 AM
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Orange Immortal [68088]
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Adapt or die!***
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Nov 5, 2024, 9:04 AM
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Ring of Honor [22105]
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As I have said before, hes simply not holding up his end of the 11M salary.
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Nov 5, 2024, 9:01 AM
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Like others have said, he has earned the right to get us back. But it’s been four years and a lot of horrible coaching hires since we have been relevant. All that while playing in the ACC.
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Associate AD [1084]
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Re: As I have said before, hes simply not holding up his end of the 11M salary.
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Nov 5, 2024, 9:08 AM
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This is what it boils down to. Best case scenario is he hires better coaches and brings in someone to show him the way to run a modern program. That’s what’s best for Clemson.
I think he’s to full of himself to do that.
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Ring of Honor [22105]
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I think Wes is gone after this year.
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Nov 5, 2024, 10:27 AM
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Being ranked 68 and supposedly telling Dabo he didn’t need any portal players on THIS defense is not a good way to keep a DC job at Clemson.
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Re: I think Wes is gone after this year.
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Nov 5, 2024, 2:48 PM
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I agree. He is wasting the defensive talent Clemson has. Promote Nick Eason as the new DC.
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Paw Master [17108]
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I think the coaches that said we were good on the portal were just telling Dabo
Nov 5, 2024, 3:39 PM
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what he wanted to hear, particularly if they didn't think we could land players at those positions who were upgrades
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Game Changer [1797]
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Offensive Star [-99]
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Re: Is Dabo holding the program hostage?
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Nov 5, 2024, 9:02 AM
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Dabo is daring Clemson to fire him. He thinks he is untouchable. Maybe he is. Money has changed him and maybe he wants that big payout.
He also thinks you all should be happy with 7-10 wins in the ACC a year...ya know, because of what he has done in the past and that whole "expectation is greater than the appreciation” tirade.
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Re: Is Dabo holding the program hostage?
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Nov 5, 2024, 9:09 AM
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Well he only had 4 ACC wins last year so he better get busy to get to 7 this year.
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Associate AD [1084]
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Nov 5, 2024, 10:14 AM
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Dabo is daring Clemson to fire him. He thinks he is untouchable. Maybe he is. Money has changed him and maybe he wants that big payout.
He also thinks you all should be happy with 7-10 wins in the ACC a year...ya know, because of what he has done in the past and that whole "expectation is greater than the appreciation” tirade.
This might be the 1st of your posts that I have seen that I actually agree with. I don't know if money has changed him, but I believe he thinks the way he is currently running the program is the best way to run it. The results are proving that isn't the case.
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Offensive Star [-99]
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Re: Is Dabo holding the program hostage?
Nov 5, 2024, 10:29 AM
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Maybe money doesn't always change people, but money can definitely bring out their true character.
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Orange Elite [5156]
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Re: Is Dabo holding the program hostage?
Nov 5, 2024, 10:34 AM
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Hey puppy!
You could get out of your mom's basement every once in a while and look for work or at least a girl that has a job that doesn't mind a free loadin' 300+ pounder. I know you like to stroke that big ego of yours by hanging out at a rival teams fan site but there is more to life than being a giant dooooosh loser! YOU CAN DOOOOO IT!! Gotta take that first step though.
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Offensive Star [-99]
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Re: Is Dabo holding the program hostage?
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Nov 5, 2024, 1:36 PM
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Are you one of the classy fans throwing your baby bottle on the field Saturday night?
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Re: Is Dabo holding the program hostage?
Nov 5, 2024, 9:07 AM
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Definitely on cruise control with that fat contract until the early 30's.
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Re: Is Dabo holding the program hostage?
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Nov 5, 2024, 9:10 AM
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SO, DO YOU GOOBERS WANT TO PAY BRYCE DAVIS MORE THAN WE DO PETER WOODS OR OTHER D PLAYERS. GUESS YOU PEOPLE HAVE NOT NOTICED OUR RETENTION RATE. DO YOU EVEN KNOW HOW MUCH DAVIS GOT. THAT IS JUST ONE EXAMPLE. WE HAVE TRIED TO GET SEVERAL GUYS IN THE PORTAL AND GOT OUTBID. BUT HEY ALL YOU MORONS HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS.
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Hall of Famer [8301]
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Lower your voice when you're talking to adults.***
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Re: Lower your voice when you're talking to adults.***
Nov 5, 2024, 10:03 AM
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Pioneer 😀
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Rival Killer [2916]
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Blind squirrel, acorn, coming from you.
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Nov 5, 2024, 10:24 AM
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Yeah, I gave it a TU anyway.
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Associate AD [1084]
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Re: Is Dabo holding the program hostage?
Nov 5, 2024, 10:00 AM
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As a fan it’s not my money to spend. But yes, I want to see Clemson do what it takes to get back to where we belong. I don’t care how much or ok who, but whatever amount, big or small, is available, it needs to be used. And on HS recruits. And on portal players. I want to win.
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Re: Is Dabo holding the program hostage?
Nov 5, 2024, 9:11 AM
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BS.
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Heisman Winner [86431]
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The big thing is the 99% grad rate? To do what you say,
Nov 5, 2024, 9:14 AM
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he'd have to run some people off. How do you do that and keep your integrity intact?
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Dynasty Maker [3576]
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I think he is holding out until Revenue Sharing goes into effect
Nov 5, 2024, 9:16 AM
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"NCAA court case that led to a settlement that stipulated $2.8 billion in back-pay to former athletes, a $20+ billion revenue sharing plan for current and future athletes (which is beginning in 2025-26) and new roster rules and enforcement for the power conferences in college athletics."
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Rival Killer [2916]
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That settlement is being challenged by multiple other entities
Nov 5, 2024, 1:31 PM
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There will be revenue sharing of some type, but exactly what is going to happen is yet to be determined.
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All-In [10775]
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He is - and I believe he'll retire very soon. He's earned and is being given
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Nov 5, 2024, 9:16 AM
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the opportunity to do things his way. When it becomes (more) obvious that it just can't work (money trumps culture), then I think he'll walk away.
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Re: He is - and I believe he'll retire very soon. He's earned and is being given
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Yep a lot of knee jerk BS responses on this thread.
Hijacked the program? Not sure why the portal seems to be the fix. Good coaches at certain positions is needed not a payday for a kid that could or could not be here for a year.
Tired of the salary discussions. Most on here would have cried like little #######, which is what this thread mostly sounds like, if they had not paid the man and he went somewhere else.
Last week it’s bitching because we were not in the Top 10 and now are coaches are terrible and the portal is the issue. Unbelievable.
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Associate AD [1084]
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Re: He is - and I believe he'll retire very soon. He's earned and is being given
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Nov 5, 2024, 1:20 PM
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Brutal take…
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Orange Immortal [68088]
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Here's a thought/question...
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Nov 5, 2024, 9:25 AM
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Would anyone be surprised if Dabo pulled a Tony Bennett?
I believe Bennett said something substantially similar to, "If you're going to do it, you've got to be all in. If you only do it half-way, it's not fair to the university or the teams. That's why I am stepping down."
Operating under the current environment of NIL and the transfer portal, which remains largely unregulated with no sign of changes anywhere in sight, while both were well-equipped to do the job the old way, the current circumstances is not what these guys signed-up for when they got into coaching.
College athletics is not in a healthy place right now which is really sad and unfortunate, and changes absolutely need to be structured. Personally, while I am not at all opposed to paying players, there needs to be restrictions on the amount of money teams can spend, stricter transfer regulations, and strict guideline/penalties around tampering and agent involvement.
If that doesn't happen, I firmly believe we will see more and more coaches doing what Tony Bennett did and Dabo may be one of them.
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Re: Here's a thought/question...
Nov 5, 2024, 9:27 AM
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Would anyone be surprised if Dabo pulled a Tony Bennett?
I would not be at all surprised. Not in the least.
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All-In [10775]
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Yep - that's what I said in my response a few minutes ago. He'll leave soon.***
Nov 5, 2024, 9:27 AM
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Re: Here's a thought/question...
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Would anyone be surprised if Dabo pulled a Tony Bennett? .
I wouldn't. Honestly I can't believe he hasn't done it already. He said once players started getting paid he would be done. That happened a few years ago. The man I saw on Saturday night looked lost and not committed. Maybe he is approaching that Tony Bennett moment.
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Rival Killer [2916]
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Yes, no, no
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Yes to the Dabo and Bennet comparison.
Add Saban.
No the HCs get paid to win. They don't get paid for what they like and don't like.
No, college football is fine. Restrictions? It's illegal for the NCAA to interfere in private NIL. They can't legally restrict it.
This has been discussed as nauseum here.
It is also illegal for the NCAA to restrict transfers.
If coaches can't adapt, then they need to retire no matter who they are or for what team they coach.
And yeah, a team with 24 transfers and a smaller NIL fund just kicked out butts in DV Saturday night.
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Top TigerNet [32631]
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no***
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Associate AD [1046]
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Re: no***
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Nov 5, 2024, 1:46 PM
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Yes. Take him out so Clemson football can be rescued and finally achieve some success.
Good gosh. Some of you are going to get what you want someday.
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National Champion [7712]
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you sure are in a hurry to get back to mediocre again...
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you like those perennial 6-6 and 7-5 type seasons do ya? the moment Dabo exits we are going to do the Hatfield tumble... 10 win seasons and coaches aren't the norm. We have one that's done that pretty well for this team in the last 16 seasons. When he starts going 6-6 every year then we can have this discussion. But it hasn't, so drop it. And you always mention his faith or his morals like every post... for what its worth that is a HUGE reason to keep him here all by itself. Those coaches aren't the norm either. These kids need that more than they need football.
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Associate AD [1084]
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Re: you sure are in a hurry to get back to mediocre again...
Nov 5, 2024, 1:23 PM
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The idea is winning championships. Are you saying that you think Dabo will win another title running his program like it’s 2015?
If that’s what you’re saying. You may need to catch up on the last 4/5 years.
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National Champion [7712]
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I don't know did he not sign the #1 QB in DJU and the #2 QB in Klubnick
Nov 5, 2024, 4:31 PM
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during this lull span? Did he sign the #1 Qb and #1 All Purpose QB in the elite years before? I think its simple. The two in the elite years lived up to their ranking and the two during these years did not. everything tends to work when your top tier QB talent play at elite levels. Recruiting picks up in all areas when that kind of buzz is around your program.
Once his recruiting shows that he can't keep up then these conversations are valid. I haven't seen that yet at least in terms of rankings.. They're not that far off.
I feel that the moment he departs from Clemson we will feel it. The ACC is not a desirable conference to coach at and if you're thinking we're going out and getting some top 10 coach I really don't think so. Those jobs are not in the ACC where its tougher to recruit. You saw who the shingle school FSU ended up with after Jimbo didn't you? Thats who we will be in the running for too.. the coach at Troy or at Memphis...
DAbo has name recognition that carries weight and still gets us in the door with these recruits. Keep him as long as you can.
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once that becomes the norm and recruiting falls out of the mix then yes.
Nov 6, 2024, 1:04 PM
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those conversations would be valid. If we start losing 5 games a year in the ACC for a stretch period of years then you have to. One year i'm not jumping at that b/c Dabo went 6-6 his second year and i'm glad we didn't can him then. Many wanted it.
But once it becomes the norm that we are no longer competing for at least the conference then you gotta know it ain't gonna get better. But we are not close to that yet. Inconsistency can be eradicated with hitting big on recruits. No one knew DJU and Cade were going to not going to be comparable to DW4 and TL16.
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Paw Warrior [4751]
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Re: once that becomes the norm and recruiting falls out of the mix then yes.
Nov 6, 2024, 2:48 PM
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2022 11 - 3
2023 9 - 4
2024 8 - 5 (predicted)
I think the downward trend is clearly indicated. The longer we wait to acknowledge it, it less likely that we can recover from it.
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and once we hire our Mike Norvell then what? You got somebody now who's done
Nov 6, 2024, 5:22 PM
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it already. He's not Bobby Bowden old.. he's still relatively young and has many years to go. From my eyes he doesn't seem like he's lost any passion. He's trying to navigate these new rules against his own judgement and philosophy and I think he'll figure out a solution soon that gets us back to elite level status and proves the naysayers wrong. Or maybe he gets to a point where he just wants to wash his hands of it and move on from football. Either way i'll defer to a two time national and eight time conference champion and let him make the call.
If Dabo is going 6-6 or 7-5 every year then we'll revisit this topic and talk about dipping our toes into the Mike Norvell experiments of the world. But we aint there.
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Yes.***
Nov 5, 2024, 11:46 AM
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I think that's a bit too dramatic.
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Nov 5, 2024, 1:46 PM
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Seems to me he is currently not meeting the program standard. I think he still has to figure out coaching staff issues.
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Re: I think that's a bit too dramatic.
Nov 5, 2024, 2:40 PM
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Of course it is. Its what TNET does, we (generic we) are overdramtic especially the days after a rough loss.
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Re: Is Dabo holding the program hostage?
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Nov 5, 2024, 2:40 PM
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If Brad Brownell can do it (NIL/Tranfer portal), then Dabo can certainly do it. He simply doesn't want to. Sometimes using GOD as an excuse in dealing with society can be dicey. Extremism is the problem, not GOD himself.
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Re: Is Dabo holding the program hostage?
Nov 5, 2024, 9:16 PM
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I’m going to be short and to the point. I was thinking about this and have for quite some time. By not using NIL money to bid on the services of the HS players we used to get, and by not bringing in good portal players to shore up depth and talent issues at positions of need, is Dabo doing his best to field a great team?
Is Dabo’s high morals being used as an excuse to not do what he is supposed to do? He’s getting paid top dollar to win the conference and go to the playoffs. It’s not happening anymore. All this coincides with the NIL/Portal era of CFB.
I love Clemson. I loved it before I knew Dabo existed and I’ll love it after he is no longer affiliated. I think he needs to get going on these things or maybe consider retirement for the good of this proud, storied program.
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Re: Is Dabo holding the program hostage?
Nov 5, 2024, 3:35 PM
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Not sure he answers to anyone. Power and money can get folks. Neff will never be able to exert influence. In those instances Dabo disagreed with Radakovich he went to BOT and won. He is untouchable- even the greatest men in our history couldn’t handle. “A man after God’s heart” couldn’t.
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Re: Is Dabo holding the program hostage?
Nov 5, 2024, 3:39 PM
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In those instances Dabo disagreed with Radakovich he went to BOT and won.
Please expand, not sure I remember what this is in reference to.
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Re: Is Dabo holding the program hostage?
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Nov 5, 2024, 3:43 PM
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No he’s just stuck in the past and the old ways no longer work. Dabo is like the person who has a flip phone, and refuses to get the latest smartphone
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Playmaker [392]
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Re: Is Dabo holding the program hostage?
Nov 5, 2024, 6:37 PM
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We can afford a whole lot more than we are getting now. Dabo is being stubborn and it’s costing Clemson big time! He needs to get a the program or leave…it’s that simple!
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Playmaker [392]
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Re: Is Dabo holding the program hostage?
Nov 5, 2024, 6:40 PM
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We can afford a whole lot more than we are getting now. Dabo is being stubborn and it’s costing Clemson big time! He needs to get w the program or leave…it’s that simple!
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Game Changer [2044]
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Re: Is Dabo holding the program hostage?
Nov 5, 2024, 7:52 PM
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shorter and more to the point, he's the coach and your not.
I will take Dabo's way and you can take the highway.
Plenty of portal heavy schools to choose from.
The loss to Louisville was not because we don't have portal players, it was because coaches did not have the team ready ... that simple.
On to VT. Bet they are ready.
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Re: Is Dabo holding the program hostage?
Nov 5, 2024, 7:59 PM
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And captain call , glad for such a life long clemson lover you have discovered T'Net
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Orange Blooded [2164]
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Re: Is Dabo holding the program hostage?
Nov 6, 2024, 5:46 PM
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Dabo is the best head coach in Clemson history. He is welcome to stay as long as he wants. I think is struggling a bit to adapt to new world of NIL and Portal but he will figure it out. There is nobody else I want leading the Tigers but Dabo!
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