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1st Rounder [617]
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Is a 10-2 season a success?
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Nov 19, 2024, 9:25 AM
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It's hard to think back to the summer and try and remember how we were feeling then.
The UGA game looked pretty daunting. FSU was going to be a dog fight. The Chickens were supposed to be 4-8.
Aside from UGA (who I am still convinced is the best team in the country) those other two predictions were dead wrong.
FSU has been one of the worst teams in ACC history. The yardbirds have over performed...
Offensively, we've had some real highs and some (similar to the last 3-5 years) lows.
Defensively, I think the overall play has been ok - not great but good to ok.
Special teams... borderline nightmare.
But I ask you, those with Orange Colored Glasses and those without: Is a 10-2 season a success for this 2024 team?
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Still a lot of football left and things out of the Tigers control; still need to beat Citadel and Ole Broken Foot...
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1st Rounder [617]
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Re: Is a 10-2 season a success?
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Nov 19, 2024, 9:25 AM
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10-2 makes us state champs but we fail on win the opener.
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Playmaker [397]
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Re: Is a 10-2 season a success?
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Nov 19, 2024, 9:42 AM
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More likely 10-3 after next week. Carolina is improving while we are regressing. Also, bad luck with season ending injuries doesn’t help.
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Athletic Dir [1148]
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Re: Is a 10-2 season a success?
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Nov 19, 2024, 3:04 PM
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How so. Their own coach almost cost them the game…..as I recall…they too had to make something happen late to win the game. Pump the brakes a bit. That team isn’t very deep at any one position. They’ll have to play all game long without a breather.
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National Champion [8067]
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Youre phrasing it wrong
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Nov 19, 2024, 9:28 AM
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If you told me to start the year, we would not make the ACC title game, much less the playoffs, would there be any way to call that successful? I dont. Call me whatever you want, but thats the expectation at Clemson, and it should be.
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Rival Killer [2662]
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Re: Youre phrasing it wrong
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Nov 19, 2024, 11:01 AM
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For many years, we've been told "Best is the Standard".. Now, it's "It's Ok To Be Ok".. We're dangerously close to the TB years and his pressers of "Well folks, that's the thing about a game, some you win, some you lose".. In the meantime, keep those checks coming in - these millionaire kids need your money, otherwise they'll go to another school that will pay them more.
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Clemson Icon [27997]
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Re: Youre phrasing it wrong
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Nov 19, 2024, 2:09 PM
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For many years, we've been told "Best is the Standard".. Now, it's "It's Ok To Be Ok".. We're dangerously close to the TB years and his pressers of "Well folks, that's the thing about a game, some you win, some you lose".. In the meantime, keep those checks coming in - these millionaire kids need your money, otherwise they'll go to another school that will pay them more.
Not even remotely close....
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Tiger Spirit [9712]
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Best is the Standard, but Realistic is what's realistic
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Nov 19, 2024, 3:02 PM
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I'd love for us to be the best every year, win the ACC, and play in the CFP and the NC title game. But as our beloved coach has said, winning ain't easy. There are so many variables - injuries being the biggest one for us this year, but also a lot of intangibles.
For ANY team, 10-2 should be seen as a good year. Ideal? Nope. What was expected? Not for teams like us. But sometimes your Best is the best you can do given the circumstances and the many variables that go into playing a game.
We got spoiled in the late 20-teens. Great QBs, great receivers, great RB, etc. And we stayed pretty healthy through all of those runs.
"Best is the Standard" - here's a news flash for some of you: it doesn't mean that being "THE" best is the standard. That's not realistic or practical. It means that doing OUR best, with what we have, where we are, at that time - THAT is the standard and what that expression means. Will we always measure up? Nope. Twice this year we failed to measure up. But it's extremely rare for ANY team to be consistently at their best every week, every game, every year.
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Clemson Icon [27374]
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Correct. The phrase
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Nov 19, 2024, 4:07 PM
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"Best is the standard" was never meant to mean "every season where we don't win a national title is a failure" but that's apparently how some fans took it and continue to weaponize it against Dabo
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Tiger Titan [46593]
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If losing by 30 to Georgia and by double digits to Louisville
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with no truly great wins, while playing a not-too-difficult schedule, is honestly the best we should expect from players considered to be top 5 talent level, and coaches paid among the highest in the country, then something is very wrong.
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Re: If losing by 30 to Georgia and by double digits to Louisville
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Slither Slither Hiss & Dither
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Re: Youre phrasing it wrong
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Nov 19, 2024, 2:22 PM
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That expectation has only been met for 6 or 7 years in the entire history of the program.
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Game Changer [1679]
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Re: Youre phrasing it wrong
Nov 19, 2024, 4:22 PM
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There are 3 more nattys for football at Clemson than there WILL EVER be in cootlumbia….little chicken!!!!
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Commissioner [1255]
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Re: Youre phrasing it wrong
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Nov 21, 2024, 10:30 AM
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This is an absolutely stupid response. Anybody who tries to make a factual argument is called a Carolina fan. That stupid and it just shows you don't have an actual counter argument.
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National Champion [8067]
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TF are you talking about. The playoff only been around for 10 years
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And we have been in most of them. You are, and I dont use this term lightly, an idiot.
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Re: Is a 10-2 season a success?
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Nov 19, 2024, 9:31 AM
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10-2 and a close miss on making the playoffs means we are treading water. We would be doing better than 80-90% of the schools out there but not as good as we want to do. We’d be a notch off from where we were 5-6 yrs ago and holding steady.
We’d have our dignity in place over not tampering with players on other teams and hopefully we’d not have any scandals associated with players or coaches.
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Offensive Star [321]
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Re: Is a 10-2 season a success?
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Nov 19, 2024, 9:37 AM
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With how the coaching staff is paid and the overall talent on the roster, I don't view a 10-2 as a success. We should have lost at Pitt, but Cade saved Dabo from further criticism. This team is underperforming like the previous 4+ seasons. We should be competing for the ACC every year. We should be in the playoffs especially with it being expanded to 12 teams. But we are NOT a playoff caliber team. This falls on the coaches.
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Game Changer [1948]
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Re: Is a 10-2 season a success?
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Nov 19, 2024, 9:39 AM
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Why do you even ask that as a question, yes it's a success...
I do not understand why people cannot just enjoy the game, it's a game...
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Playmaker [397]
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Re: Is a 10-2 season a success?
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Nov 19, 2024, 9:47 AM
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If our coaches salaries and facilities were mediocre, I’d agree. But those two things don’t square with struggling to beat unranked teams and horrible Les Miles-like home losses. Bad coaching this year is really depressing.
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Commissioner [1255]
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Re: Is a 10-2 season a success?
Nov 19, 2024, 2:31 PM
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The problem is that all the other elite teams have invested in their facilities, and caught up with us. We had recruiting advantages several years ago that we don’t know.
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Athletic Dir [1107]
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Re: Is a 10-2 season a success?
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Nov 19, 2024, 9:42 AM
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4 straight years of inconsistent play, Clemson is viewed as no longer an elite program by non-Tiger fans, 10-2 or worse will probably be the new norm at Clemson.
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Clemson Icon [27997]
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"10-2 or worse will probably be the new norm at Clemson"
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Nov 19, 2024, 2:12 PM
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Like that's the worst thing....
A lot of schools would give anything for that success ANY YEAR!!!!!!
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Commissioner [1201]
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Re: "10-2 or worse will probably be the new norm at Clemson"
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Nov 19, 2024, 2:26 PM
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A lot of schools don’t invest the resources in facilities and coaches that Clemson does.
Yes, they should be thrilled with 10-2 with a much smaller investment.
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Commissioner [1255]
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Re: Is a 10-2 season a success?
Nov 19, 2024, 2:24 PM
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Clemson as a program has only been elite for about 5 or 6 years. Just the statistics odds alone say that will be the exception, not the norm.
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Orange Blooded [2327]
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Re: Is a 10-2 season a success?
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Nov 19, 2024, 9:44 AM
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Players will be opting out of the bowl game here in a couple weeks. Says it all there.
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Orange Beast [6510]
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yes. Typically, a 10-2 season where one of the losses is out of conference,
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Nov 19, 2024, 9:52 AM
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would mean we are in ACC Championship. This just happens to be an odd year where we get left out.
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CU Medallion [19520]
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Yes. That record is reflective of the teams capability***
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Game Day Hero [4424]
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Re: Is a 10-2 season a success?
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Nov 19, 2024, 9:54 AM
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Not if SC was a crap team. 10-2 with beating this SC team will be successful as long as we win our bowl.
This will be the second best team we’ve played all season and would be a huge win if we can pull it off.
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National Champion [7996]
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Nov 19, 2024, 10:15 AM
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It’s not a great year. It’s a good year. It’s very disappointing. I expect to compete with anyone. I don’t like losing to teams we should beat. I don’t like getting blown out by UGA or anyone. I’d rather lose on a last second fg. Those still hurt but are just better. I don’t expect a Natty every year. I do expect to be in the mix though. Dabo set this expectation. He is failing to deliver four years running.
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Paw Warrior [4968]
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ONEJEDI...Nailed it*****
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Orange Elite [5294]
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Re: Is a 10-2 season a success?
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Nov 19, 2024, 10:20 AM
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Yes. 10-2 is a good season for this team but not 9-3. From my observation I feel our coaching is not at the high level of several years ago. Those coaches had our teams over performing and the present coaches are borderline having us underperforming. We made it to the top with over performance but that is not happening at the present. Chad Morris brought a new offensive culture to Clemson along with Brent Venables for the defense. It was much more exciting those days to me personally to see upset teams rather than teams now upsetting us.
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Orange Blooded [2528]
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Re: Is a 10-2 season a success?
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Nov 19, 2024, 10:21 AM
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I'll be happy if we can average 10-2 for the next decade
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Athletic Dir [1126]
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Re: Is a 10-2 season a success?
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Nov 19, 2024, 10:28 AM
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Last year we finished 9-4. At 8-2, we most likely head into the last game at 9-2. Lose that one and a bowl and we will not have improved on that record. so, it's simple. Win out and yes a successful season. Lose the last two games (SC and bowl) and not so much.
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Standout [216]
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Re: Is a 10-2 season a success?
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Nov 19, 2024, 10:46 AM
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I said ok we didn't make the 4 team playoff last year or the ACCCC. This being the first year of the 12 team play off I felt sure we could make that but barring a miracle will not make it or a the ACCCC or the 12 team playoffs. It is painfully obvious we are in decline and have been since the LSU Natty. There are many challenges that were not present " legally" back then so hopefully the coach that took us to the top can get us back on that track again.
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Associate AD [1032]
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Nov 19, 2024, 10:48 AM
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I think it depends on what your standards are.
90% of the teams in the country would love to have 10-2 seasons. It would be among the best seasons ever for maybe 60-70% of them. If your marker of comparison for us is Tommy Bowden, then you'd absolutely still consider this a success. A lot of people also take a lot of pride in winning 10 games, so that's another marker for success. And 10-2 this season would mean we beat South Carolina in one of their best years ever, so a lot of fans would call that a success.
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For me, I don't consider 10-2 a success. I look at our 10-2 season in the context of our investment into our program, who we are playing, what our actual play looks like, and what a 10-2 season will mean for the program going forward. For all of those, I think it's a failure of a season.
We are statistically the fifth most talented team in the country. We are still paying for facilities that was top 5 in the country. Our coaching staff is the second highest paid staff in the country. Based on those metrics, we should be steamrolling very weak competition.
But this represents the fifth straight year we've underperformed those metrics. Our schedule was the weakest we've had in a long time. Before the season, everyone talked about how easy our schedule was, and the only two teams we had to play that were supposed to be worth a #### were Georgia and Florida State. Georgia is still good, but they are absolutely not the team folks thought they would be. Florida State is horrible this year. We've only played one team that has a claim on being ranked, and they steamrolled us. Meanwhile, a much less talented team in SMU is breezing through a substantially similar schedule.
And if you break down what you see, it's more bleak. We have improved at receiver with Moore and Wesco. BOur offensive line has improved a little under Luke, but the talent is still nowhere near there and we don't have any studs signed to improve there further. Everything else on the offense is the same. The defense has regressed every single year since Venables left. And the special teams are legendarily bad.
We aren't anywhere near what we were 5 years ago. We haven't won a big game since the Notre Dame game in the ACC championship in 2020. We've been blown out in the vast majority of our ranked games since then.
And I worry about the direction of the program. We don't use the portal, so we have to rely on recruiting. But we also don't do guaranteed NIL deals, which led to us losing five 5 stars the past 3 years. But if we were still challenging for titles, we could at least sell recruits on the idea of playing time and a national championship. But we are not even close to that, and what we did in 2018 is a VERY long time ago to recruits (to put it in perspective, a junior in high school was in elementary school when we were last relevant). I also personally believe it's unrealistic to sell recruits on "culture" in the new CFB landscape, and yet our coach refuses to evaluate whether his approach is working.
So no, for me, this season was not a success.
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Game Changer [1756]
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Re: Is a 10-2 season a success?
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Nov 19, 2024, 1:11 PM
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Well said and spot on.
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Commissioner [1255]
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Re: Is a 10-2 season a success?
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Nov 19, 2024, 2:01 PM
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We're not the fifth most talented team in the country.
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Commissioner [1201]
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Re: Is a 10-2 season a success?
Nov 19, 2024, 2:34 PM
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Agree. And whose fault is that? The coaching staff?
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Commissioner [1255]
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Re: Is a 10-2 season a success?
Nov 21, 2024, 10:28 AM
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The odds are stacked against Clemson being one of the top five talented teams in the country on a consistent basis.
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Standout [209]
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Orange Immortal [61692]
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11-2 would represent an improvement but not up to expectations.
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Nov 19, 2024, 10:52 AM
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If we win out and win our bowl game, sure, we're 11-2 and that is clearly better than the past three seasons. But we (likely) still miss the ACC title game and the 12-team CFP, so that is NOT what we have hoped for or came to expect from 2015-2020.
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Solid Orange [1382]
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Re: Is a 10-2 season a success?
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Nov 19, 2024, 10:56 AM
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You have to define success. I think there are several levels.
Level one: win more games than you lose.
Level two: get to the conference title game.
Level three: Win the title game.
Level four: get into the NC playoffs
Level five: win the campionship.
Right now we are a level 1 success. We expect more. Honestly, I think most Clemson fans expect level four every season.
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Clemson Icon [27997]
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Re: Is a 10-2 season a success?
Nov 19, 2024, 2:15 PM
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You have to define success. I think there are several levels.
Level one: win more games than you lose.
Level two: get to the conference title game.
Level three: Win the title game.
Level four: get into the NC playoffs
Level five: win the campionship.
Right now we are a level 1 success. We expect more. Honestly, I think most Clemson fans expect level four every season.
And that's the problem...
We have a very spoiled/Entitled fanbase....
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Solid Orange [1382]
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Re: Is a 10-2 season a success?
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Nov 19, 2024, 3:56 PM
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The flip side is fans that think we should be happy to settle for level one success wihtout complaint.
So lets take that up a notch....fans think we should be a conference title contender every year. Well the fact is that we are still a title contender. I shot the lock in the pooch with the Louisville loss, but... Two weeks will tell if we will get there. Having our fate pinned on an upset loss by Miyammi sucks.
So if we get to the title game should we be angry if we lose? At what point does the expectation become unrealistic?
I know for a fact there are fans that think no matter how badly we might suck in a bad year that every other team in over rated and we are being screwed by AP pollsters or ESPN....objectivity is hard to find with some people.
So for me? I am not at all content with level1 success. We should be in the ACC title game every year because the ACC sucks and if we can't make it to the title game of a weak conference then it says we belong in a weak conference.
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Rock Defender [50]
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Orange Blooded [2157]
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A successful year is making it into the 12 team playoff
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Nov 19, 2024, 11:15 AM
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If you can't do that how is your year successful? Maybe you beat your rival? And, I understand coaches wanting to play in a not 12 bowl game for the practice... but as a fan why would I ever attend?
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Solid Orange [1382]
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Re: A successful year is making it into the 12 team playoff
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Nov 19, 2024, 12:51 PM
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I have struggled for a long time with meaningless bowl games being played for not much of a reason other than money.
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Game Changer [2034]
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Re: A successful year is making it into the 12 team playoff
Nov 21, 2024, 6:48 AM
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We sure have some whiny little beyatch fans. Bunch of schoolgirls.
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Orange Blooded [2388]
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Yes.
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Re: Is a 10-2 season a success?
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Nov 19, 2024, 11:25 AM
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If we don’t make it to and win the acc championship and make it to the playoffs our record won’t really matter. We are paying dabo huge money and he is not delivering due to not using all the tools available to him.
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Orange Blooded [2135]
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Re: Is a 10-2 season a success?
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Nov 19, 2024, 11:25 AM
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10-2 regular season would be a success. We still have some adjustments to make and talent to develop. Beating this South Carolina team would be accomplishment enough at this point.
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1st Rounder [617]
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Re: Is a 10-2 season a success?
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Nov 19, 2024, 11:35 AM
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I think it's a successful season but also one that could have been even better.
It's not over; it's not totally written - Miami can still lose a game and help us into the ACCG.
We lost control over our destiny which is the only thing that will probably have us all wondering "what could have been".
I think making the playoff would have been a big step fwd for the program but due to the way our conference is structured it's pretty stupid.
As much as we can put blame on the inside I think it's also almost just as fair to put blame on the ACC.
That being said, I'd much rather make the playoff as a 12 seed and lose in the first game than never know what would happen if we didn't make it.
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CU Medallion [19046]
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Re: Is a 10-2 season a success?
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10-2 is a good season, but not even making the conference championship game with the easy ACC schedule we had, cannot be considered a success.
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Mascot [28]
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Re: Is a 10-2 season a success?
Nov 20, 2024, 10:19 PM
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I wonder if, without divisions in the ACC, making the ACCCG could be harder in some years than if there were still divisions [in those same given years].
Most years we'd be able to make the ACCCG with a 7-1 conference record.
Up to this point, the only seasons where we failed to make the ACCCG were in 2012 and 2013 when FSU was so dominant [in our division].
In 2012, with a 7-1 conference record, they had a tiebreaker since they beat us that September. We ended up being considered co-divisional champs instead. FSU played GT that year in the ACCCG.
In 2013, they beat us in October, and didn't lose a single game. They played Duke in the ACCCG.
When the ACC still had divisions, the Atlantic team often had the least number of conference losses, while the Coastal would have more. It was common for the Coastal team to have at least 2 conference losses.
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Please stop with the coaches salaries as a reason - that's baloney***
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Nov 19, 2024, 11:38 AM
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Dynasty Maker [3549]
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Re: Is a 10-2 season a success?
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Nov 19, 2024, 11:43 AM
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I think the opinions on the original question will vary as much as what defines success. Also what factors in greatly is ones natural disposition of optimist (aka sunshine pumper) or pessimist (aka self proclaim "realist")
IMO Success doesn't have to be an all or nothing thing when you are talking about a season for a team sport.
Overall 10-2 is successful to me. There are certainly areas we've improved, areas where we have regressed and areas we can ALL see are missed opportunities. The tough part is that we have been in this 9-11 win window for years now so it is tough to tell if in this season we are inching back towards national prominence, holding serve or regressing.
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Dynasty Maker [3563]
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Re: Is a 10-2 season a success?
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10-2 where we win against Louisville, but lose a competitive game against the Gamehens would be a more successful season to me. Atleast in that case the team lost to two teams playing at higher level of performance. That loss to the Cards was a cluster you know what from coaching down to the equipment managers. Totally unacceptable coming off a bye week of extra prep and still basically healthy among the starting lineup. Beat Louisville and the Tigers would have the opportunity to win their way into CFP. No way 10-2 with a win against the Gamehens should provide cover for getting absolutely embarrassed by Louisville. Program changes are needed as evidenced by that game alone, and winning the state championship (and perhaps the Mayo Bowl) should not be allowed to provide cover for making no changes.
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Dynasty Maker [3549]
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Re: Is a 10-2 season a success?
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Nov 19, 2024, 12:06 PM
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I am not necessarily disagreeing because the LVille loss may cost us the ACCCG; but can you imagine the outright bellyaching here if our two losses were to SEC teams? It would be all about how bad our wins are and how we lose to anyone with a "pulse".
I should have mentioned it in my prior post but success for us also depends on how it plays out.
Just for example using your first part
10-2 with losses against UGA and USC would be more successful to you. But then if we win the ACCCG and get stomped in the playoff, does that still mean its a success after losing to everyone outside our conference except Citadel?
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Legend [6811]
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Yes it is a success. We increased the number of wins from last year.
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Nov 19, 2024, 11:44 AM
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AND we would have to have beaten SCU in order to get to 10 wins. Do we get to the ACCCG and Playoffs? Who knows. In and of itself, a 10-2 season is a success IMO.
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CU Medallion [20357]
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You got to be kidding!
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Nov 19, 2024, 11:47 AM
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10 wins from a 12 game schedule is a success. Disappointment at not winning them all is understandable but we are better than last year and have a young team. Last year, just in conference we were 4-4. This year 7-1. Many Boo Hooers who are spoiled carry on about how bad our program is. I beg to differ. Another 10 win season, high grad rates, and scandal free all makes for another successful Clemson football season. Go Tigers!!!!
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Game Changer [1756]
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Re: You got to be kidding!
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Nov 19, 2024, 1:19 PM
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Nah. 10 wins against the soft level of competition we play is about the minimum that we should accept. it's a C+ season.
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CU Medallion [19046]
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Re: You got to be kidding!
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We didn’t beat a single team in the ACC with a current conference record above 500…
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Game Day Hero [4318]
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Re: Is a 10-2 season a success?
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Nov 19, 2024, 11:52 AM
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Do we still have our preseason goals as we did in years past ? 1. Win the ACC, 2. Win the State Championship .. 3. Win the bowl game .. forgot #4 ..
Doubtful to #1 ( you can’t win a game you most likely don’t play) 2. Coin toss, depending on how we play 3. Bowl game, we could probably win the Pop Tarts Bowl ..
10-2 .. yes, successful but .. we ain’t there yet .. would 9-3 be successful if we ended up losing to the Coots?
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Rival Killer [2618]
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Win the opener - which we most definitely did not***
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Nov 19, 2024, 12:01 PM
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Clemson Icon [27997]
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Re: Win the opener - which we most definitely did not***
Nov 19, 2024, 2:19 PM
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No one expected us to beat UGA....
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Rival Killer [3088]
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Anything that dues get us in the ACCCG and the playoffs isn't a success.
Nov 19, 2024, 12:09 PM
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Best is the standard, right?
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All-TigerNet [5915]
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Re: Is a 10-2 season a success?
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Nov 19, 2024, 12:24 PM
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Success means something different to everyone, but I'll take a poke.
I usually wait until the end of the season for a final assessment, But, to piggy-back on your thoughts....
I'd say so far it's been disappointing. Getting blown out by UGA in the 2cnd half, and losing to UL at home left a mark.
Much to my surprise the OL, QB play, and the offense are much improved. But, the D continues to regress and have seemingly traded places with the offense. The defense has really underachieved. Similar to the OL last year, the defense is missing some attention to detail and overall lacks consistent intensity (we miss BV).
If we win out and play well in a bowl game it might change how I feel.
To be honest, I don't think we have the necessary coaching across-the-board on this staff to put together a crazy run and win out, and win playoff games. If we did all that on top of a 10-2 regular season would I call it a success? Yes, unquestionably.
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National Champion [7562]
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I have been overly critical of the team execution and preparedness
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Nov 19, 2024, 12:53 PM
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at times during this season.
Does anybody feel that Clemson played well Saturday @ Pittsburgh ?? Having a huge drive in last 2 minutes to get a victory was awesome and to see Cade turn upfield and score TD was crucial. But needing that drive, with how the game played out, was not exactly exciting.
With a step back and to see 8-2 with 2 regular season games left is not bad. However, if you watch the games then you might be a bit perplexed. It is a sport, nothing ever goes as planned as you have another team out there trying to prevent everything you try to do. But, we all know the only team Clemson plays this season with talent on same level is UGA, and that turned out very ugly in 2nd half. But for 30 minutes and for about 80% of this season, Clemson has played very good football.
I do not see anything elite this year. There has been some examples, fleeting, against weaker competition. Lack of depth is hurting, and injuries started to be a factor.
10-2 and a good bowl game, hopefully play well, can be termed a good season.
0-12 and I am still a Clemson fan, not going anywhere. My criticism is only because I feel the talent on the team is capable of being better at times, nothing more.
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National Champion [7882]
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Re: Is a 10-2 season a success?
Nov 19, 2024, 1:55 PM
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Yes, 10 and 2 is a successful season. I would say 9-3, if it involves losing to the gamecocks, is a major disappointment.
offense has improved, even though it’s still inconsistent. Defense has been a major disappointment. I thought it would be one of the top units in the country, and it is not top 20. Special teams smacks of complete lack of coaching. If We finished 10-2, win a bowl game, I would say our coaching staff did their job. Any anything short of that I would say after four years of underachieving, more changes need to happen. Defensive coaching needs to get better, as well as wide receiver, special teams, and I’m starting to think, running back. You can’t just have one running back ready to play 90% through the season
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Commissioner [1255]
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Re: Is a 10-2 season a success?
Nov 19, 2024, 1:57 PM
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Yes.
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Game Day Hero [4175]
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Re: Is a 10-2 season a success?
Nov 19, 2024, 2:24 PM
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It's hard to think back to the summer and try and remember how we were feeling then.
The UGA game looked pretty daunting. FSU was going to be a dog fight. The Chickens were supposed to be 4-8.
Aside from UGA (who I am still convinced is the best team in the country) those other two predictions were dead wrong.
FSU has been one of the worst teams in ACC history. The yardbirds have over performed...
Offensively, we've had some real highs and some (similar to the last 3-5 years) lows.
Defensively, I think the overall play has been ok - not great but good to ok.
Special teams... borderline nightmare.
But I ask you, those with Orange Colored Glasses and those without: Is a 10-2 season a success for this 2024 team?
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Still a lot of football left and things out of the Tigers control; still need to beat Citadel and Ole Broken Foot...
10 and 2 was great under Danny. Dabo has put the bar so high that it no seems like a failure to some.
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Ring of Honor [23085]
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Hypothetically, yes it is good.***
Nov 19, 2024, 4:17 PM
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Ring of Honor [23085]
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I predicted 9-3 before the UGA game so I will be pleased with 10-2 IF we get it.***
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Nov 19, 2024, 4:19 PM
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Asst Coach [883]
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Re: I predicted 9-3 before the UGA game so I will be pleased with 10-2 IF we get it.***
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Nov 20, 2024, 5:46 PM
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I have a PEPSI Cola bottle on my bookshelf celebrating an undefeated home season in 1974. I think the total record was 8-3. We would never have dreamed then about winning 10 games. The success in recent years has changed our perspective. Wonder how the chickens would react to a 10 win season?
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Ring of Honor [23085]
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I hear you loud and clear! I remember being encouraged after a 6-6 year in 1999.***
Nov 20, 2024, 7:33 PM
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All-In [11066]
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Orange Elite [5340]
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Re: Is a 10-2 season a success?
Nov 20, 2024, 7:28 PM
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10-2, then win the bowl game would be a success in my book after last year. Disappointed that we lost to Louisville at home, at night, but definitely a step forward. Probably ranked top 15 or maybe top 12 if we finish 11-2. Then we take a big step next year.
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1st Rounder [617]
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Re: Is a 10-2 season a success?
Nov 20, 2024, 7:47 PM
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I agree.
It's nice to see lots of improvement (aside from special teams) and we still need to finish strong.
Need to really hand it to the Citadel/Gamechickens.
Finish strong in the bowl game as well.
Maybe even make the ACCG 
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Mascot [28]
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Re: Is a 10-2 season a success?
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Nov 20, 2024, 9:59 PM
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This current season reminds me of those seasons that are one of those "three game" type seasons where there are like a handful of games [played against good teams] that matter a lot, and the rest of the games are against cupcake teams.
This season, the way it's played out, I think UGA, Louisville, South Carolina, and the road games Pitt & VT would make for like a de facto five game season. So far, we are 2-2.
To get to 10-2, it will require beating South Carolina. It would put us at 3-2 in those games that matter the most.
In this case, I would consider 10-2 this year to be a success because it will be an improvement overall over the last three years. I would definitely see it as more successful than the 2012 10-2 regular season.
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Rival Killer [2881]
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Re: Is a 10-2 season a success?
Nov 20, 2024, 10:07 PM
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I said before the season 10-2 and an ACC Championship appearance which I think would be successful for this team. So we still have both on the table although the ACC depends on some luck.
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Rival Killer [2981]
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Before the season....we thought FSU & N.C. State were going to be....
Nov 21, 2024, 12:12 AM
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the toughest games outside of UGA.
They were both ranked in the preseason.
Louisville and Va. Tech were both just outside the AP top 25 preseason.
We were 14th in the preseason poll. Seems like they weren't that far off with us.
Turns out that the FSU hype was way off.
And NCSU just didn't materialize this season.
On paper before the season, our schedule was tougher.
But then it turned out different.
We're not the only ones that happened to though.
It's pretty interesting to go back and look at the preseason top 25 now.
Definitely some big misses...
https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/article/2024-08-12/ap-top-25-rankings-georgia-ohio-state-and-oregon-lead-preseason-poll
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Hall of Famer [8260]
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Re: Is a 10-2 season a success?
Nov 21, 2024, 4:33 AM
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Yes
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Dynasty Maker [3288]
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Re: Is a 10-2 season a success?
Nov 21, 2024, 6:43 AM
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yes 95% teams would be greatful. Losing to GA ok expected. Losing at home to Loserville NO. Goal to play and win the ACC championship therefore in playoffs. I believe this team could have done this!
We do have the same record as Georgia!
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Redshirt [90]
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Re: Is a 10-2 season a success?
Nov 21, 2024, 10:15 AM
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There a few different metrics...
10-2 is always going to be a good season... a 10-2 record will NEVER be a bad season.
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But you can have a good season that is not a success.
If you had 5 goals and you only completed 2 of them... your season is not a success, though you may have had a good season.
That said we have a lot of work to do to get to 10-2.. .we need to get some guys healthy and play our best game next Saturday or we wont get there.
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Ring of Honor [21238]
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In the ACC?
Nov 21, 2024, 10:21 AM
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Not really.
It's respectable but in no way a successful season. IMO
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National Champion [7561]
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I would say yes. This year we needed a special player to get us over the
Nov 21, 2024, 10:46 AM
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hump to get is championship level. We're missing a Etienne, a Deshaun, a Christian Wilkins or Sammy which would have elevated us over that threshold.
At the same time in order to actually contend for a national championship we need a handful and they need to be on both sides of the ball. When we were dominating it was because we had elite players at key positions on offense and defense. You don't have to have an entire team of elite players just at the key positions. (QB,DL,RB,CB)
QB and DL is what won us championships. Etienne was a breath of fresh air but we won with Gallman too. The common denominator for both championship teams were elite QB and Elite DL. The rest of the players were interchangeable. They were good players but weren't detrimental if we didn't have them. But QB and DL had to be there to get there.
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Freshman [0]
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Re: Is a 10-2 season a success?
Nov 21, 2024, 11:26 AM
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I'd say it has been a small success. I think we all miss those times that we were 1B with Alabama, but we can't evaluate this season's successes based on those metrics. The offense has definitely made improvements from last year, we have the ability to be explosive now, before we were more of a dink and dunk team. We've seen Cade step into the quarterback we thought he was going to be coming out of high school. Our defense has regressed, but we did lose a big chunk of our depth in our front seven. We're streaky, but when we are on, you're hard pressed to find a team that could stop us. Just gotta figure out how to keep the switch on full time lol.
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