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Game Day Hero [4431]
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Interesting how our perception of Brownell as a coach...
Feb 10, 2013, 5:12 PM
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Would be different had Wood's shot today had clanked off the rim and give us the win. And/or if the same had happened to Snaer at FSU. I guess if those shots had not gone in, it makes brownell a better coach?!
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Brownell not the problem. Once he fully...
Feb 10, 2013, 5:17 PM
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transitions to "his" team, things will be better. The mix of OP leftovers and Brownell players is not working. Patience.
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Offensive Star [319]
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Re: Brownell not the problem. Once he fully...
Feb 10, 2013, 5:32 PM
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Agree 100% plus we have no leadership on this team. Hopefully one of the young guys will step up next year. No disrespect to Booker and Jennings but they are not leaders.
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Orange Blooded [4367]
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I like Brownell, but only Booker and Jennings are OP players
Feb 10, 2013, 5:44 PM
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everyone else is what Brownell has managed to get.
Not an elite ACC level of talent. However, I don't think Brownell is the reason for Brownell's inability to get blue chips.
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Re: I like Brownell, but only Booker and Jennings are OP players
Feb 10, 2013, 6:07 PM
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we are never going to get ACC elite BBall players out of HS aty least regularly. Coaching up is our only means to get to the dance. Coaching up takes time and system fits. I'm willing to give it a couple more years and see what sprouts.
Going into this season no one without orange colored glasses saw a whole lot
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110%er [7928]
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of course he's going to get a few more yrs unless he
Feb 10, 2013, 6:10 PM
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pulls the plug and moves on.
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Orange Blooded [4367]
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Once again, all I said was that I don't think saying
Feb 10, 2013, 7:32 PM
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Brownell is using OP's players is as valid a reasoning as it was 1-2 years ago.
I also said that I didn't think Brownell is responsible for our Talent level either. OP had a ton of recruiting ability IMO and he still couldn't recruit at the level of UNC/Duke/Etc.
If we want to become an elite program, Clemson is going to have to give an elite level of funding. Firing Brownell is not the answer. The answer is making Clemson Basketball a funding priority alongside Football. Which I doubt Clemson will end up doing.
Blossomgame/Coleman being injured definitely has crippled our season. But if you think they are what is keeping us from Being a perennial top 15 Basketball team, they are not it. Funding won't take us all the way there, but in my opinion it is a necessary component of what we need to do if Clemson decides having a Great BBall team is a priority.
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Orange Blooded [4367]
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also:Honestly, my only gripe about Brownell, if any,
Feb 10, 2013, 7:37 PM
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is that his attitude is a little boring for me as a coach.
However, I would much prefer a coach that knows how to win a game than a coach that can act like he can win a game.
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Team Captain [467]
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And if Nuk had not caught that pass on 4th and 16, what
Feb 10, 2013, 5:23 PM
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Would that say about Dabo? It was not just being beat at the buzzer today though. There is something about your team being in a position to be beat by a shot at the end. If Jenkins made his free throws, we would not have been there. Championship teams seem to come out on top of close games where others lose at the buzzer.
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Starter [360]
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It also didn't help
Feb 10, 2013, 7:45 PM
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that on our last few possessions we just let the play clock run down to 8 seconds. We don't have a playmaker that can drive to the basket in that situation. I think if we had just continued to run our offense and pass the ball around, we could have gotten a better shot and still run the clock down. Just my opinion though. I'm obviously not a college basketball coach.
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110%er [7928]
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this team simply doesn't have a lot of ACC talent
Feb 10, 2013, 5:54 PM
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especially when you're competing against a team like NC St who has four players who are All ACC first or second team...to beat them we have to play a perfect game and we didn't.
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Re: this team simply doesn't have a lot of ACC talent
Feb 10, 2013, 6:10 PM
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yet we lost by a point and cry havoc.
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110%er [7928]
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we don't have a single player who would start for NC State
Feb 10, 2013, 6:13 PM
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not one and it's doubtful with State's incoming recruiting classes we will in the next five yrs. Having watched Clemson bball for 40 yrs now it's the story of the program...we just don't have a lot of talent and rarely do.
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Orange Blooded [2298]
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Re: Interesting how our perception of Brownell as a coach...
Feb 10, 2013, 6:27 PM
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there is no way woods should have got an open 3 they couldn't beat us with a 2,coming out of the tlme out,that's coaching,having said that,don't fire BB until Jennings has graduated
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Amateur [37]
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Re: Interesting how our perception of Brownell as a coach...
Feb 10, 2013, 6:44 PM
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Leslie's moving screen that wasn't called helped the open 3 IMHO.
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Starter [360]
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Re: Interesting how our perception of Brownell as a coach...
Feb 10, 2013, 7:55 PM
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Wood grabbing Rod Hall's jersey and throwing him, didn't help either.
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I hate these-type arguments ...
Feb 10, 2013, 6:39 PM
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Look, like it or not, we live in a results-driven world. Ultimately, the coach is responsible for winning or losing. Sure, there are things that are out of his/her control that factor into a win or a loss. But the ball will bounce out of the basket on last-minute shots just as much as it will bounce in. The coach also gets credit for winning for reasons out of his control. Over time, these even each other out. So, at the end of the day, winning or losing is the only objective barometer.
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Recruit [97]
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Re: Interesting how our perception of Brownell as a coach...
Feb 10, 2013, 6:43 PM
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Yes, it would mean he could teach good defense.
Also, if you didn't know Wood would be the one with the ball to take the final shot for State, you shouldn't be coaching.
And another thing, any team that can only muster 10 points in an entire half of basketball, is not being coached very well. I would bet we could score ten points in a half if we shot from half court every time down the court.
The basketball program is terrible! We should stop spending money on the basketball program. It's a huge waste of money. Brownell is not getting the job done and that is a fact!!
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Rival Killer [3084]
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Clemson is a difficult place to coach basketball
Feb 10, 2013, 7:23 PM
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because the fans don't understand the game. All they know is if the team wins, the coach can stay. If the team loses, the coach needs to be fired. Idiots.
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