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I'm with her!***
Jul 25, 2024, 1:52 PM
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Re: I'm with her!***
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Jul 25, 2024, 1:56 PM
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Just to be clear you want my tax dollars and yours to pay for services for illegals?
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Re: I'm with her!***
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Jul 25, 2024, 1:59 PM
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To be clear, we should expand Medicare to be the health insurance system rather than just for the old folks. With the new system in place, there will be something to account for non-citizen residents, which would work similarly to how other countries function when I visit there and need medical attention.
The program isn't a "let's make sure the illegals are covered" program. But they would benefit from it, ultimately, as would we because right now they are eating up ER costs due to the lack of regular access for preventative care.
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LOL
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Jul 25, 2024, 2:02 PM
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Spend away, Merrill!
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Re: I'm with her!***
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Apr 8, 2024, 2:19 PM
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Is there a point when we just can’t afford it? Do we just leave the border open for millions more? What other services are they entitled do that I pay for? Is there a limit?
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Re: I'm with her!***
Jul 25, 2024, 3:16 PM
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Absolutely. We need to have co-pays and/or deductibles, for instance. This is legislation that would need careful attention, and fortunately we already have Medicare so we know something about what has worked and what hasn't.
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Re: I'm with her!***
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Jul 25, 2024, 5:19 PM
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You mentioned copays and deductibles. My question is where do we draw the line on insuring illegals? Surely you can’t be saying we insure everyone who walks across our border? I can’t even begin to understand that.
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Re: I'm with her!***
Jul 25, 2024, 7:11 PM
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Let's start with the easier cases: people who are here on vacation or on a work visa. They could be required to have their own insurance, or some amount of the public system could be made available to them. I would look to how other countries handle different types of situations and see how it's worked or not worked.
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Re: I'm with her!***
Jul 25, 2024, 10:34 PM
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Fund it with a consumption tax. See, everyone pays, including illegals. 😁
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Just to be clear - You want Government funded healthcare to be the only
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Jul 25, 2024, 2:56 PM
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insurance in the country?? In other words no private health insurance and the entire medical care system is to be funded by the Federal Government. In other words - Medicare for all??
Just checking because in order to do that, the Government will be instituting price controls (goodbye "free market") to include the salaries of the healthcare providers themselves. Not sure how many current doctors in the USA are gonna like being forced to take a 40% or more pay cut...
There are many other problems/issues with a Government run/funded healthcare system but the significant cut in healthcare provider pay required to make any such Government funded system close to affordable is an issue that is rarely discussed.
Just for reference - US healthcare providers are among the highest paid in the world:
The average physician earnings were ranked as follows:
United States – $316,000
Germany – $183,000
United Kingdom – $138,000
France – $98,000
Italy – $70,000
Spain – $57,000
Brazil – $47,000
Mexico – $12,000
The average physician net worth (sum of all assets minus debts) was ranked as follows:
United States – $1,742,000
United Kingdom – $657,000
Germany – $441,000
France – $425,000
Italy – $269,000
Spain – $228,000
Brazil – $95,000
Mexico – $67,000
Source: https://www.physiciansweekly.com/how-do-us-physician-salaries-compare-with-those-abroad/
Notice all of these countries other than the USA have Government provided healthcare (UK, France, Italy, Spain, Brazil) or are very heavily regulated (Germany).
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Re: Just to be clear - You want Government funded healthcare to be the only
Jul 25, 2024, 3:20 PM
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In answer to your questions: Yes. Thank you for the additional information. That's an important concern and has to play a role in deliberations. However, I would not conclude that the US has higher salaries due to the private insurance companies. But it's important to see how medical professionals would be impacted.
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Re: Just to be clear - You want Government funded healthcare to be the only
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Jul 25, 2024, 3:27 PM
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You are a socialist. This is America dude. We want private healthcare. Everything the federal government touches turns to crap. So you are cool with open borders, mandatory gun buy back, sex offenders voting and banning offshore drilling?
Then you must hate America bc we aren’t socialists/communists. Hard to believe an American could support something so commie. To each their own though.
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Re: Just to be clear - You want Government funded healthcare to be the only
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Jul 25, 2024, 3:39 PM
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Poor debate strategy. Here's why.
You are a socialist.
And you're a fascist! But wait, let's not throw labels at each other. Let's talk like we aren't morons.
This is America dude. We want private healthcare.
I just said I don't, and my vote counts for as much as yours, and plenty of Americans agree with me, so you're wrong that "we" want private healthcare. And anyway, you like socialized medicine, too. Or do you want to repeal Medicare and Medicaid?
Everything the federal government touches turns to crap.
Demonstrably false.
So you are cool with open borders, mandatory gun buy back, sex offenders voting and banning offshore drilling?
Stay on topic!
Then you must hate America bc we aren’t socialists/communists. Hard to believe an American could support something so commie. To each their own though.
You're in a tailspin. Pull up!!
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Re: Just to be clear - You want Government funded healthcare to be the only
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Jul 25, 2024, 3:43 PM
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You support socialist healthcare. Which means you are a socialist. I am stating on topic, earlier in the thread you said yes to everything she spoke on in that video.
She supports a mandatory gun buy back. The 2nd amendment says that’s unconstitutional.
You are an American but you just admitted you are a socialist and support a measure that is unconstitutional.
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Re: Just to be clear - You want Government funded healthcare to be the only
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Jul 25, 2024, 3:56 PM
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I'm trying to help you. I'm happy to discuss these things. You're currently in a subthread talking about Medicare for All. If you want to talk about that other stuff, let's do it elsewhere.
As for my liking "socialist healthcare": Again, if you don't, then you're against Medicare. Are you against Medicare?
earlier in the thread you said yes to everything she spoke on in that video.
No I didn't. But if I did, reply to that post and not this one.
She supports a mandatory gun buy back. The 2nd amendment says that’s unconstitutional.
You are an American but you just admitted you are a socialist and support a measure that is unconstitutional.
Tailspin!
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As of March 2023, 65,748,297 people are enrolled in Medicare.
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Jul 25, 2024, 4:01 PM
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82,751,338 individuals were enrolled in Medicaid and CHIP in the 51 states and the District of Columbia that reported enrollment data for March 2024.
In the United States, the Veterans Health Administration (VHA), a subdivision of the Department of Veteran Affairs (VA), is responsible for providing all forms of health care to veterans. As of 2022, just over 11 million people in the United States were insured by some form of military heath care.
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Availability / access to timely healthcare keeps getting overlooked
Jul 25, 2024, 11:38 PM
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Universal health care providing countries often struggle with poor access (as far as timeliness is concerned) for healthcare for the large majority of the population.
Doctors don’t like the reimbursement constraints forced upon them by Obamacare and Medicare. Not surprisingly, the practices of “concierge” and “DPC” medical services, which provide doctors with reimbursement workarounds (I.e., paid more fairly for their services) have been increasing.
Patients are almost always on the hook for paying higher costs for concierge doctors. Why are these patients OK with paying more? Accessibility. Guess which wanna be patients are experiencing accessibility problems? Those who are still going to ‘traditional payee’ doctors.
(*). Well intended Americans who want to see all people in America have access to cheap, readily available, highest quality healthcare are, quite frankly, poorly informed people who are charitable with the labors & skills of others (I.e., the doctors who must manage their practices, pay their staff & nurses, pay the high tab for IT services (necessary for handling the complexities of Obamacare and Medicare), liability insurance, and the financing costs for their buildings and (often extremely) expensive equipment.
What is the destination for Americans expecting to or feeling entitled to low cost / high quality healthcare? Inadequate access.
Remember the old axiom: If you want to see a service go away, then all you have to do is not pay for it.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/many-doctors-are-switching-to-concierge-medicine-exacerbating-physician-shortages/
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You and others on the bored
Jul 25, 2024, 2:06 PM
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are not Americans. If you truly believe that list of batshit crazy stuff, you cannot be an American. If you and others can't see that when you run these irrational ideas to their conclusion, the USA cannot exist in any regard remotely similar to what it has been since 1776.
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Re: You and others on the bored
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Jul 25, 2024, 3:21 PM
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No, you're the one who's not an American!
LOL. Wow, that felt stupid. Don't you feel stupid telling people they aren't from the country they're from?
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"The way I view things is correct, and thus, American. If you view things
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Jul 25, 2024, 3:26 PM
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even slightly differently, it is impossible that you are also American."
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Re: "The way I view things is correct, and thus, American. If you view things
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Jul 25, 2024, 3:28 PM
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Ever heard of the 2nd amendment? She just said she supports a mandatory gun buy back. That is unconstitutional.
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Dangerously liberal lol.***
Jul 25, 2024, 1:56 PM
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So you are against Trump voting?***
Jul 25, 2024, 2:03 PM
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Re: New champion of the left
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Jul 25, 2024, 2:17 PM
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Reagan also passed gun control in California.
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Re: New champion of the left
Jul 25, 2024, 2:15 PM
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Obama was much more of a moderate. It's not like a 3rd term for him at all. She would destroy Trump if she was another Obama. She still might beat him, though, because he's an awful candidate. A moderate, respectable Republican would easily win.
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I'd rather felons vote than run for President.***
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Jul 25, 2024, 2:28 PM
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Re: I'd rather felons vote than run for President.***
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Jul 25, 2024, 3:30 PM
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Especially child molesters am i right?
Jesus Christ there is no way people could support what this lady just said. We are ######.
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Well Trump does have some strange connections with Epstein.***
Jul 25, 2024, 3:35 PM
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Re: Who has been accused of child molestation?
Jul 25, 2024, 3:46 PM
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Who has been accused of child molestation? Enlightened me. Who’s been convicted?
Are you ok with convicted child molesters voting? Are you ok with getting rid of the 2nd amendment bc that’s what a mandatory gun buy back is.
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You're still talking about Trump, right?
Jul 25, 2024, 3:49 PM
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Because everything you just said applies to Trump.
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Re: Who has been accused of child molestation?
Jul 25, 2024, 5:26 PM
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I'm OK with felons running for office. If the people want to elect them, so be it.
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Re: New champion of the left
Jul 25, 2024, 3:59 PM
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Everybody just going to ignore the reduction of red meat comment?
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Popeyes has a great chicken sandwich for about $5.***
Jul 25, 2024, 4:35 PM
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Almost, except Obama didnt do any of that.***
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Jul 25, 2024, 5:45 PM
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Well sure, but they SAID he would. Oh, wait, I get it now.***
Jul 25, 2024, 7:29 PM
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