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Paw Master [16250]
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I'm struggling to think of a more embarrassing moment as an American
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Feb 19, 2025, 10:46 AM
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than Donald Trump's recent comments regarding the Ukraine war.
I really think we will look back on this as one of the most shameful moments in our history. The day our President glibly sided with Russia over Europe and a victim of an unprovoked attack. It will be interesting (or sad) to see the ramifications. What else will Russia want over the next ten years. How will China interpret this?
Just for the "Oh well, it wasn't our problem anyway" crowd...okay...even if you believe that...that isolationism...THIS TIME...will work out well for us. The rhetoric. The glibness. The indifference to what is actually happening. The offhand "He should have made a deal". What a POS. I would be shocked if the Russians aren't behind closed doors laughing their backsides off about this man. That they were able to pull this off. Even an isolationist President could have pulled back support in a dignified way...in a way that acknowledges who is right and who is wrong. A way that respects the Ukrainian position. But not this guy. Trump has to take a #### on the lawn as he's walking away. Because...well, just because.
I can only hope that Europe increases their support of Ukraine, as recent reports state. Russia's economy is a ticking time bomb. Ukraine won't accept whatever nonsense surrender "compromise" comes out of the US-Russia talks. The war will probably continue. If Ukraine is victorious, it would serve us right if we were barred from whatever mineral rights come out of Ukraine. It would serve us right if Europe restructured a NATO alliance to focus on Europe without the US involvement. Heck, I can see that being done with Europe AND Canada, with the stated mission of defending Canada in the event that America attacks it. Which should be ridiculous. But here we are.
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I'm sure I can list a few more embarrassing ones
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Feb 19, 2025, 11:00 AM
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But this is up there.
An absolute bending of the knee to an oppressive dictator for a nation that has mostly been our enemy in modern history, and to blame the victimized, brutalized nation on top of that. That's the not the America I grew up knowing; the America our grandparents fought to create.
It's a shameful slap in the face to all the great Americans over the decades who fought for freedom and push back against aggressors.
For those who opt for appeasement and isolationism, I urge you to please finally sit down and research history pre-WW II.
I've said it before and I'll say it again--Putin has some sort of leverage on Trump. There's no other explanation for how much he kisses his ###.
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Re: I'm sure I can list a few more embarrassing ones
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Feb 19, 2025, 11:29 AM
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Eventually, the frog boils.
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(I don't believe anything I'm about to type.) MAYBE Trump said what he did to
Feb 19, 2025, 11:01 AM
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scare Europe, so that your statement happens - "I can only hope that Europe increases their support of Ukraine, as recent reports state."
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Tiger Titan [51049]
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Yeah I'm really hoping this is the 4d chess his cult keeps talking about***
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Feb 19, 2025, 11:02 AM
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Its legit to try to start negotiations.
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Feb 19, 2025, 11:07 AM
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But the tone of appeasement and significant unilateral concessions are akin to surrendering.
It is also legit to ask European to step up military support for Ukraine. Depicting NATO countries as adversaries and showing affection for Putin’s Russia is both foolish and naive.
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Re: Its legit to try to start negotiations.
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Feb 19, 2025, 11:25 AM
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I've been out of pocket all of yesterday and haven't watched any news today so I don't know what Trump said, but if it's as stated here, that is very concerning and indeed shameful.
I agree with Tropical that a negotiated settlement should be sought, but it should be a hard ball negotiation and one that gives Ukraine an equal seat to the table as the aggressor Russia. Anything short of that is disgraceful.
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Paw Master [16777]
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Guess you didn't see the Afghan withdrawal, eth?***
Feb 19, 2025, 11:09 AM
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Paw Warrior [4693]
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Re: Guess you didn't see the Afghan withdrawal, eth?***
Feb 19, 2025, 11:30 AM
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Beat me to it. That was absolutely humiliating for America.
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Interesting the person who negotiated the peace deal with the Taliban
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Feb 19, 2025, 11:35 AM
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is the same person trying to negotiate the Ukraine deal...
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Re: Guess you didn't see the Afghan withdrawal, eth?***
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Feb 19, 2025, 9:32 PM
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Stupid people don't remember that Trump negotiated a surrender to the Taliban without the Afghan government present. He even wanted to bring them to Camp David, but the few decent people from his first administration stopped him. He drew down troops to such a low level, there was no chance at security without the Taliban's deal with him to not attack as long as he withdrew. He even pulled troops in Jan 2020, then bragged in an April speech that he put Biden in such a bad spot.
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Re: Guess you didn't see the Afghan withdrawal, eth?***
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As bad as that was it doesn’t come close to this. Russia has been the enemy of the civilized world for many years with good reason. Putin is a murderous dictator. We should NEVER take their side for ANY reason. They are the opposite of what America is and was established to be. Just an absolutely pathetic thing for him to say about the victims of Ukraine. We are pissing off all of our allies. I’m embarrassed to be an American right now with this buffoon in office.
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And the withdrawal timeline was put in place
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Feb 19, 2025, 12:03 PM
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*checks notes*
the summer before the 2020 election, as a poison pill. IF Biden won the election, he'd either have to break the timeline, or choose a risky and potentially disastrous withdrawal (and it was pretty bad).
IF Trump won the election, he could break the pact and kick the can down the road and not a single Trump voter would have uttered a word.
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Paw Master [16777]
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Did Biden trash any other Trump policies one day one?
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Feb 19, 2025, 12:15 PM
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Yes. You look silly trying to pin this on Trump. This disaster was 100% on the Biden admin.
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Head Coach [927]
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Re: Did Biden trash any other Trump policies one day one?
Feb 19, 2025, 9:32 PM
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Are you really this stupid?
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Trump is saying this because he thinks Ukraine is in the wrong....
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Feb 19, 2025, 11:16 AM
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He hates Zelenskyy, and loves Putin. He is pro-Russia.
This has always been Trump's view.
There's no 3-D chess going on here. He just doesn't see Europe as good allies, and thinks Ukraine deserves what they got.
America voted for this man now twice. We've been warned, but we voted him in anyway. Now, we have to live with it.
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Tiger Titan [48657]
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history will not be kind to the Orange One
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Feb 19, 2025, 11:18 AM
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Because, you know, historians are educated
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Do you have a link to what his remarks were?
Feb 19, 2025, 11:38 AM
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not the one sentence quote but the entire set of remarks so there is context.
I don't doubt that he said a bunch of crazy ####, that's par for the course but it is often not as crazy and the one sentence sound bites.
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Paw Master [16250]
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Re: Do you have a link to what his remarks were?
Feb 19, 2025, 11:50 AM
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Full remarks here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQLc2mfQ0c4
If you want any clips of the specific comments, you can find dozens of them where they clip out just his comment about Zelensky or starting the war or Ukraine in general. Just Google "Trump comments Ukraine" and you'll find plenty of reports. But the above is the full remarks.
Here's one with clips...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBFDAQ9zTPU
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move to Canada***
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Paw Master [16250]
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Juststop. Its pathetic.***
Feb 19, 2025, 1:17 PM
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Campus Hero [13487]
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Same. PS I was making fun of Ineligible User***
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We're all making fun of you Tom.***
Feb 19, 2025, 1:24 PM
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Good job. Want a cookie?***
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Feb 19, 2025, 1:24 PM
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I'm good, your fat idol might though.***
Feb 19, 2025, 1:25 PM
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Great company you're choosing to keep SOLOS.***
Feb 19, 2025, 1:47 PM
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"I drink alone."***
Feb 19, 2025, 1:49 PM
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Sounds lonely, but you live your life how you want I suppose.***
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Re: I'm struggling to think of a more embarrassing moment as an American
Feb 19, 2025, 1:19 PM
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europe needs to step up, they have plenty of money
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Re: I'm struggling to think of a more embarrassing moment as an American
Feb 19, 2025, 1:22 PM
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"If Ukraine is victorious"
-Swarley
do you have any cash to put on this?
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Joe "sharp as a tack" Biden during the Presidential debate... Nothing in
Feb 19, 2025, 1:43 PM
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recent memory showed the complete hypocrisy of what American leadership really consisted. The Puppet in the White House. A pawn.
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All-In [11047]
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That is a good point. Shirley the World Leaders could see what George Clooney
Feb 19, 2025, 1:52 PM
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could see. That adds to the embarrassment - no one would acknowledge Biden's OBVIOUS decline until Clooney said something about it.
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Re: I'm struggling to think of a more embarrassing moment as an American
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Stay tuned. He’s not done yet.
Dude is 100% idiot.
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Re: I'm struggling to think of a more embarrassing moment as an American
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He just steamrolls through everything like a bull in a china shop 🤡🤡 he doesn’t do things in a way that is thought out and cautious. He just throws it out there and hopes it sticks. I don’t feel a bit sorry for the idiots that voted for him and have lost their jobs and the grants for farmers etc. They evidently didn’t think Project 2025 was something Trump knew anything about. 🙄
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Re: I'm struggling to think of a more embarrassing moment as an American
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It used to feel like we were powerful and we would just tell Russia to deal with it. Now Trump is kissing their behinds. Putin's actually.
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