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Cutting players
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Oct 21, 2025, 2:33 PM
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Seems like this has to be the new reality. We have so many veteran players that are not regular contributors. Here's a list with the year they are entering in 2026:
RB - Jarvis Green, 4th year
OL - Ian Reed, 4th year
OL - Watson Young, 3rd year
DE - Markus Dixon, 4th year
DL - Caden Story, 5th year
DT - Hevin Brown-Shuler, 3rd year
LB - Dee Crayton, 4th year
CB - Myles Oliver, 5th year
LB - CJ Kubah-Taylor, 3rd year
S - Kylon Griffin, 5th year
S - Rob Billings, 4th year
S - Kylen Webb, 4th year
K - Robert Gunn, 5th year
Imagine bringing in 13 transfers to replace them that can actually compete for 1st or 2nd string spots.
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I was wondering the same thing....We have alot of players who will NEVER
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Oct 21, 2025, 2:38 PM
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contribute.......I know Dabo has always said he wont cut players......This will burden out roster for a few years IMO
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Paw Warrior [5009]
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Re: I was wondering the same thing....We have alot of players who will NEVER
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Oct 22, 2025, 9:40 AM
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If you want to motivate players, then tell them the bottom 10 (or 15) performers will be let go. That also means attitude, legal issues, academics, enthusiasm will also count in their evaluation. I think there is too much complacency among the players and the coaching staff has a lot to do with it. The players see the coaches being held unaccountable. They are not stupid.
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Re: I was wondering the same thing....We have alot of players who will NEVER
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Oct 24, 2025, 12:15 AM
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Yes. Everyone knows that ultimatums are the backbone of any successful organization
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National Champion [7957]
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Re: Cutting players
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Oct 21, 2025, 2:38 PM
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Gunn, I think kicks off for us.
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Re: Cutting players
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Oct 21, 2025, 4:29 PM
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Pretty confident that Hauser can handle those duties.
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Re: Cutting players
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Oct 21, 2025, 2:42 PM
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Some of you people have completely lost your mind over this stuff.
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Hall of Famer [8764]
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Re: Cutting players
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Oct 21, 2025, 4:34 PM
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No, let’s keep unproductive players on the roster for 5 years. That’ll really help.
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Re: Cutting players
Oct 22, 2025, 6:22 AM
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But YOU don’t get to do anything about it.
Why are you trying to come up with plans?
Just be a fan.
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Re: Cutting players
Oct 22, 2025, 9:15 AM
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Oh okay. You just gave nothing to say. Got it.
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Re: Cutting players
Oct 22, 2025, 9:42 AM
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I did say something.
You just didn’t like it.
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Hall of Famer [8764]
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Re: Cutting players
Oct 22, 2025, 10:40 AM
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“Just be a fan” - Row 86, saying something
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Re: Cutting players
Oct 22, 2025, 12:00 PM
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Well… what else are you gonna do?
Has the football program hired you to be a consultant?
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Hall of Famer [8764]
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Re: Cutting players
Oct 22, 2025, 12:11 PM
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Lol
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Re: Cutting players
Oct 22, 2025, 12:19 PM
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Guess not. lol
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Standout [236]
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Re: Cutting players
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Oct 22, 2025, 3:32 PM
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I see you making these types of posts frequently. Basically, any time someone has a criticism, you respond "you aren't on the coaching staff so what's the point of making the criticism"
This is a bizarre take. Of course no one on a message board affects coaching decisions. But isn't the point of a message board for a team to post thoughts, positive or negative, about the team? What exactly do you want people to do? Is "be a fan" just code for only post positive, supportive thoughts?
Instead of either moving on with your life or posting substantive points in disagreement, your tactic is going out of your way to tell people their thoughts don't matter because it affects nothing. Just move on or say you disagree. Saying other people dont matter is an equal waste of time to the posts you comment under, ironically.
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Re: Cutting players
Oct 22, 2025, 4:24 PM
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Oh the irony that you just took the time to write that to me.
LOL
Why didn’t you just move on??
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Orange Blooded [2555]
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Re: Cutting players
Oct 23, 2025, 9:48 AM
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You discount skills...some people can type pretty fast.
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Dynasty Maker [3156]
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Care to explain? Seems pretty straightforward to me
Oct 22, 2025, 1:09 AM
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Gotta love these people who disagree with nothing to support their disagreements
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This assumes you can bring in replacements
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Oct 21, 2025, 2:43 PM
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who are also ok with being backups but are better overall than the players they are replacing. Maybe players would jump at the chance, maybe not. I don’t know.
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Re: This assumes you can bring in replacements
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Oct 21, 2025, 3:44 PM
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That's a valid question but other teams are signing 10-20 players a year from the portal. So the kids must know what they are walking into, or more likely they think it is a better situation and they will just go somewhere else if they are not happy in a year.
I know Dabo hates the thought of a revolving door. It goes against all he tries to impart to these players. But, unless we are going to recruit in the top 5 every year like Bama, UGA, Oregon, or Ohio State, we must be willing to bring in 10-20 guys a year IMO.
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I think thats one of the issues
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Oct 21, 2025, 4:09 PM
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Portal players leaving after a year if it doesn’t work out. Now a staff has to not only weigh current player vs portal player, but has to weigh current player potential vs portal player longevity. Does our current guy have the potential to be better in 2 years than the revolving unknown.
Again, I don’t know, but it’s certainly no as easy on a staff as you’d think.
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Re: I think thats one of the issues
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Oct 21, 2025, 9:18 PM
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Buyouts on player scholarships/NIL $. Everything else is money based. This has to follow. No sport in the world has totally unrestricted free agency. It is not sustainable.
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Re: I think thats one of the issues
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Oct 21, 2025, 11:55 PM
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This is so accurate. I have said many times it is time for contracts.
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Who did we cut?***
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Oct 22, 2025, 6:34 AM
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Re: Who did we cut?***
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Oct 22, 2025, 9:16 AM
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We brought in players to be backups. Wasn’t that the point?
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National Champion [7295]
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Why would you bring in backups?
Oct 22, 2025, 12:35 PM
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The point of the portal is accelerating change, not slowing it down.
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Hall of Famer [8764]
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Re: Why would you bring in backups?
Oct 24, 2025, 1:12 AM
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Depth is important.
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Dumbest argument ever.
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Oct 21, 2025, 10:21 PM
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If Oregon, UGA, Ohio State, and every other top team plus all those other P4 programs currently kicking our ##### us can manage their rosters in this NIL world, then why can't our coaches?
If they can't, then find ones who can. Our staff is ridiculously over-paid for this current product.
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National Champion [7295]
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You might want to dig a little deeper.
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Oct 22, 2025, 12:33 PM
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Ohio State, UGA, Bama and Oregon have been consistently in the top 10 in recruiting since 2020. Meanwhile, Florida has also been up there and yet ... just fired their HC.
Point is, portal/roster management is probably quite a bit more nuanced and complex than the "go big" portal theory you seem to espouse. I think Mike Norvell would agree. As would Napier. And, depending on how it shakes out for him the rest of this season and next season, Joey McGuire.
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Standout [236]
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Re: You might want to dig a little deeper.
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Oct 22, 2025, 3:34 PM
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I mean, we've been consistently top 15, and, yet, here we are...unranked 3-4
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Oct 22, 2025, 3:42 PM
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Immediately following our largest portal class in history.
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Standout [236]
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Re: 3-4
Oct 22, 2025, 4:21 PM
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Which portal players do you attribute our losses to?
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Which ones do you attribute our wins to?***
Oct 22, 2025, 4:52 PM
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Standout [236]
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Re: Which ones do you attribute our wins to?***
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Oct 23, 2025, 9:31 AM
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I asked first. Also, Will Heldt lead the teams with tackles for a loss against Troy, and generally has been the better defensive lineman out of the bunch
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TigerNet Icon [157973]
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Im not breaking down 4 losses to determine which portal player cost us a game.
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Oct 23, 2025, 9:41 AM
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The last time I offered to break down film with a poster, he quit, and wasted my valuable time. The irrefutable fact is we had our largest portal class in history this year, and it coincides with our worst season (to date) in years. If you’d like to pick out bright spots, like Heldt’s play, I’d caution you. Dabo has taken a beating here by posters for doing the same thing. It boils down to wins and losses. We are losing right now. Save the sunshine bright spot orange colored glasses view for a poster who has his head in the sand, but that’s not me.
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Standout [236]
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Re: Im not breaking down 4 losses to determine which portal player cost us a game.
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I mean it's a down year and I'm not running thinking the sky is falling like others are. I also don't attribute our struggles solely to portal usage (or non-usage). However, the portal is simply a tool that others are using that we are not at remotely using the same level. It's not going to go away anytime soon, and you either adapt or die.
Your point was that this was the most we've used the portal, and it's our worst year recently. But that is classic correlation and not causation. Look at the stats, watch the game, or reach analyses, whatever you want to do, and there is no way its is legitimately arguable the players we picked up in the portal are the cause of our struggles this year. That's what i disagree with you on.
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I just rewatched our first defensive snap against LSU
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Oct 23, 2025, 4:04 PM
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Turns out I was right, our portal players might just be the issue.
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Standout [236]
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Re: I just rewatched our first defensive snap against LSU
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I could you a million with O linemen, woodazz, secondary…you name it….born and bred Clemson players out of position. Watch the breakdown by McLain, our own former player. That’s another bad faith argument, which, I’ll tip my hat to you, you are very skilled at making
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Thank you for the kind words.***
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Oct 23, 2025, 8:18 PM
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Man, this sport has gotten so gross.***
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Re: Man, this sport has gotten so gross.***
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It’s been professionalized.
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Re: Man, this sport has gotten so gross.***
Oct 21, 2025, 7:08 PM
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Why do we need time limits at all? There’s no real academic strings now. Time limits are now seemingly pointless. I could be wrong.
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Re: Cutting players
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Is Ian Reed healthy ??
He was so highly recruited coming in. I haven't heard his name in 2 years.
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Re: Cutting players
Oct 21, 2025, 4:31 PM
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He’s been hurt. I hate it for him.
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Re: Cutting players
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but yet you would cut him when he got hurt playing and practicing for us???? that is downtown dirtbag territory.
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Re: Cutting players
Oct 21, 2025, 9:10 PM
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Correct.
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Re: Cutting players
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I hate it too, but that what happens in the Pros, and would happen even more in the NFL if there was unrestricted free agency.
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Re: Cutting players
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This right here goes along with the philosophy change I would like to see Dabo put into place. So when I talked about major changes, this is part of that.
Almost every school out there processes players. They don’t use the word cut or whatever. They just highly recommend that they transfer. Probably even help them get a soft landing spot.
This is why I don’t think Dabo will ever make the required changes needed to get back to the top. Can we honestly see him process players? This has been a recruiting pitch for years. Until graduation do we part. He has said it 1 million times. If they miss evaluate a player it’s their fault. So they keep them regardless. Wow that’s all fine and dandy when we’re good. Not so much when we’re bad. Also, the crappy players didn’t matter as much when we could stack talent. We had tons of depth during our run.
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Re: Cutting players
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I don’t see it happening. Dabo has admirable reasons for not cutting players. I respect it.
But I also don’t see any other way we legitimately compete for championships without doing so.
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I used to respect it. I kind of dont anymore.
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Scholarships are one year renewable contracts. Why should Clemson be locked into a 4-5 year contract, regardless of how a player is doing, while the player can leave anytime he wants?
We have to protect Clemson, and sometimes that might mean letting a guy go. It isn’t easy, but it’s not like we are telling him that he can’t get a college degree. He can - he will just need to transfer elsewhere as a student-athlete or quit football and be a regular student like everyone else.
Some people seem to equate Clemson deciding not to renew a scholarship with us preventing that person from playing football or getting a college degree. We aren’t his only option for those things.
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Re: Cutting players
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I don't see him making the needed changes either. I ALMOST wish he would Saban and say I'm out. He will make a few changes but not the entirety needed to get the job done. Maybe I'm wrong. Time will tell.
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Re: Cutting players
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A long time ago, I read a book with a one sentence chapter on firing employees.
It’s not the people you fire who keep you up at night; it’s the ones you don’t.
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Re: Cutting players
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Haha a lot of TDs from the pumpers. Bunch of snowflakes
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Your post received one TD.
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Message was edited by: Francis Marion®
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Re: Cutting players
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We were 3-3 in the portal last year. Played with more effort and consistency, and could/should have gotten more..
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Re: Cutting players
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You don't even have the 10 to 15 kids from Daniel high School on this list.
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That is the world we live it... produce or hit the road
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Oct 21, 2025, 4:12 PM
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as it should be
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Exactly. I dont understand why we shouldnt release guys who arent performing.
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If you don’t perform to a certain standard in the classroom, you’re kicked out of school. By extension, if you aren’t performing to a certain standard on the football field, you’re off the team.
If Dabo really wants to prepare these guys for life, teaching them that they have to perform or else they might lose their job is excellent preparation for the future.
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Re: Exactly. I dont understand why we shouldnt release guys who arent performing.
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Dabo can help them find a great program to transfer to as well. Like when your company has to let you go, but assists you in finding employment elsewhere.
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Re: Exactly. I dont understand why we shouldnt release guys who arent performing.
Oct 21, 2025, 9:45 PM
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Does that actually happen? Honest question.
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Yes it happens, especially when a company downsizes.***
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Well, we are talking about players not cosches.
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Oct 23, 2025, 8:26 PM
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But if Brownell caused the kind of decline Dabo has over the last five years he wouldn’t have a job.
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National Champion [7295]
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I agree.
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Brownell's been consistently average without teetering entirely into tire fire for 15 years, and at Clemson, in basketball, that's good enough. Thank you for validating my initial post.
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Re: Cutting players
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It's just NFL light at this point. I never thought I would lose interest in College football but that is what has happened with NIL.
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Maybe a good start is being “all-in” and recruiting at an elite level for top ranked high school kids. Not good…Elite. If you have chosen not to be elite at portal, why are we not being elite at high school recruiting?
Maybe offer just a few more kids (doesn’t have to be 400, but certainly more than 65 or 70 ) so that you give yourself more margin for error so you’re not always scrambling at the end of the cycle when a top target, the only one you have offered, has chosen some other school. I mean …that that’s like common sense right????
Maybe instead of paying third string guys who hardly play $400,000, use some of that money for the five star kid you really need. While it is admirable to take care of a kid who has done everything you have asked him but hasn’t contributed much, we can’t afford to let that impact our ability to sign more different makers.
Roster management, resource management and money management.
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Dynasty Maker [3358]
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Re: Cutting players
Oct 21, 2025, 11:03 PM
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Gunn is the kickoff guy. He's only not getting more PT because we can't score
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Dynasty Maker [3358]
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Sorry, somebody already posted this above.
Oct 21, 2025, 11:04 PM
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My bad
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Orange Blooded [2141]
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Nice, very plausible exfil group listed, presents
Oct 22, 2025, 3:27 AM
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the possibilities of a significantly larger TP class from a positive & realistic perspective. The problem is change here occurs in small increments, at a snail's pace and requires everything just short of a court order to force the hand of the 2x Nat'l Champion HC that led Clemson to 6 consecutive CFP appearances, 7 in total. This significant change in approach to TP acquisitions while warranted would be out of character and highly unlikely. The changes(staff, TP philosophy, etc)made over the last 4-5 years have been largely involuntary which is why we are in for a slow bleed, unfortunately. Knowing/believing this, still couldn't support firing him not yet maybe a year or 2 down the road-
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In this new pro environment, schollys should be a year to year thing.
Oct 22, 2025, 6:39 AM
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Gotta earn it every year!
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Goodbye Wesco?***
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The beatings will continue until morale improves***
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Oct 23, 2025, 4:39 PM
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Ring of Honor [23123]
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Is it cutting players or cutting employees (many with degrees)?
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Oct 22, 2025, 9:29 AM
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Are these guys working diligently towards degrees and training & working hard on the field and weight room? If yes, there is at least an argument they deserve not to be cut within 5 yrs. If they are not contributing, working hard, advancing towards a degree, or have already achieved a degree, Clemson has met its obligations.
It's not a cut at that point; it's a parting of ways LeonTrotsky
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Oct 22, 2025, 10:25 AM
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Agree. If players and agents are gonna make it a business, coaches and admin. have to start operating it like one. Feel bad for these guys because before the game was ruined they could do their duty on the scout team, get their degree for free and enter the workforce. Everybody loses with this new model except agents and 5 star egos. 98% of whose production will never match their bank account (Clubnik, Parker, etc)
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All-In [10378]
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Re: Cutting players
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Oct 22, 2025, 10:40 AM
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With the additional scholarship allowances you don't have to "cut players". Just eliminate any NIL opportunities for them but allow them to remain on team if they choose to.
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Campus Hero [13776]
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Re: Cutting players
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Oct 22, 2025, 5:23 PM
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Just curious ..... how many teams do you know of that have players who in your words "do not contribute". I suspect that you know scout team players also contribute ...... and most portal players are not looking for places to go to be back ups.
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Ring of Honor [23123]
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Good post TigerLinks
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Oct 22, 2025, 6:08 PM
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My take is the top teams including Ohio State, UGA and Bama do not have a large "second tier" of walk-ons and walk-ons-given-scholarships (e.g. Dabo Swinney at Bama).
The back-ups and practice players at these schools are true freshman & injured redshirts who are seeking to play NFL ball and a handful of legacy players whose fathers played for their schools. It is remarkable what Dabo, BV, and star players accomplished from 2011-2020 with such a chasm in talent between Tiger starters and backups.
Talented FBS and Div. II players and portal transfers are seeking to compete in the big time FBS level. There are no promises. They have to compete.
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Gridiron Giant [15975]
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Re: Good post TigerLinks
Oct 24, 2025, 1:32 AM
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existing walk-ons are being grandfathered out and there are no new ones. ncaa says all players must be on scholarship. it went from 88 scholarships to 105. It doesn't matter if you pay your own way to school and want to see if you can be developed, no dice. you have to be a scholarship player.
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110%er [3732]
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Re: Cutting players
Oct 23, 2025, 9:44 AM
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We are going to have to do more than cut a few players.. We need to get the portal players that the best teams are getting not just any portal players. We took Alexander out of the portal but it pretty clear why he sat the bench at Bama. If we are getting back on top we will have to outbid some of the richest schools in the country and that will not be easy. The one thing we need to do is compete for the top HS tallent and pay them whether Dabo likes it or not. I had hoped his philosophy would work this year and prove the other schools wrong but that did not work out to well for us. If you are going to get the best tallent we are going to have to tamper like it or not.
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Gridiron Giant [15975]
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Re: Cutting players
Oct 24, 2025, 1:34 AM
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lol it is illegal - no.
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Re: Cutting players
Oct 23, 2025, 9:47 AM
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I would suggest you take some time and read the new NCAA requirements on pulling scholarships from athletes.
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Orange Blooded [2555]
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Re: Cutting players
Oct 23, 2025, 9:51 AM
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My understanding is that scholarship players never get cut for not being as good as the coaches thought they would be. They just end up as backups to backups. To get cut you have to do something really wrong....like point out the nepotism problem with the coaching staff or something.
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Tiger Spirit [9362]
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Re: Cutting players
Oct 23, 2025, 9:53 AM
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Cutting players is NOT part of the Clemson culture. And I suppose Dabo and his/our culture.
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Can you imagine cutting these guys and eliminating their scholarships
Oct 23, 2025, 10:02 PM
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And possibly ruining their chances to get their degree? That’s pretty evil right there. Just to win a football game. That’s the dilemma for Dabo. I’ll tell ya right now, he won’t do it. He’ll quit before he lies to these kids like that. I would too.
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Paw Warrior [4919]
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Re: Cutting players
Oct 24, 2025, 12:05 AM
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This is never going to happen while Dabo is our coach. I am not sure that is a bad thing. Winning at any cost is not worth it.
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