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Im no conspiracy theorist
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Jun 10, 2024, 2:31 PM
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but I will bet good money that NCState gets hosed tonight in Athens. At the time our game started yesterday there were 3 ACC teams already in Omaha. There was no way in hail that the NCAA or ESecPN was going to allow the possibility of the ACC having more teams than their beloved $EC in the final 8.
The umpires took every opportunity to thwart momentum from Clemson yesterday. As well as make it almost impossible for us to compete should we have forced a game 3.
Also the camera angles being nonexistent for the inning that Billy Barlow couldn’t get any borderline calls when the strike zone had been very liberal until that moment. Go to ESPN app and look at the pitch track during those at bats. They were called balls but clearly inside the strike zone. I would love to see the track man data for that inning compared to the rest of the game.
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Re: Im no conspiracy theorist
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Jun 10, 2024, 3:16 PM
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Why do we even had umpires when this technology is available ?***
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Jun 10, 2024, 4:21 PM
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Re: Why do we even had umpires when this technology is available ?***
Jun 10, 2024, 6:47 PM
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Must ask the same question for Major League Baseball…
A study of over 4 million pitches in MLB found a very troubling error rate. MLB umps get over 29% of 2 strike pitch ball and strike calls wrong! That’s staggering to think the best umps in baseball have that high an error rate. If MLB umps get nearly 1/3 of ball-strike calls wrong in the most crucial situations, how bad is it for the amateur hour NCAA umps?
At the end of the day the human error factor is so huge in baseball, it must surely decide games on a frequent basis? If that’s the case how would you ever know if it’s intentional (rigged) or just human error? It’s ridiculous that both NCAA and MLB allow this when the technology is there to get it right 100% of the time!
https://theconversation.com/an-analysis-of-nearly-4-million-pitches-shows-just-how-many-mistakes-umpires-make-114874
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CU Guru [1792]
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Correction - Almost 4 million pitches analyzed***
Jun 10, 2024, 7:01 PM
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Re: Im no conspiracy theorist
Jun 10, 2024, 3:21 PM
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Who was angel Hernandez working for? This board needs chill on these conspiracy theories, sometimes refs/umps are just bad at their jobs. Think about what
they get paid and how relatively few of them there are, is not reasonable to think that there’s just umps who are bad at their jobs and on a bit of a power trip sometimes? Instead of some multi sport conspiracy afoot rigged by a conglomerate for a collegiate baseball tournament that barely draws any ratings? I get people are mad, and the umps made some terrible calls, but come on, if you really believe there is some sort of over arching conspiracy why would ESPN risk the tv rights
to the cash cow that is CFP for a baseball tournament that doesn’t even sniff the top 100 in program ratings? If you really believe that you need a new tin foil hat
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Re: Im no conspiracy theorist
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Jun 10, 2024, 4:16 PM
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Who was angel Hernandez working for? This board needs chill on these conspiracy theories, sometimes refs/umps are just bad at their jobs. Think about what
they get paid and how relatively few of them there are, is not reasonable to think that there’s just umps who are bad at their jobs and on a bit of a power trip sometimes? Instead of some multi sport conspiracy afoot rigged by a conglomerate for a collegiate baseball tournament that barely draws any ratings? I get people are mad, and the umps made some terrible calls, but come on, if you really believe there is some sort of over arching conspiracy why would ESPN risk the tv rights
to the cash cow that is CFP for a baseball tournament that doesn’t even sniff the top 100 in program ratings? If you really believe that you need a new tin foil hat
All I'm saying is it warrants an investigation. Even their official statement explaining the Leggette and Bakich ejection, which took 12 hours to generate and release, was a blatant lie. They stated CB was ejected bc he raised his hands and incited the crowd after being warned repeatedly to calm down. He never turned to the crowd or raised his hand until after he was ejected. It was even after the ejecting umpire ran away to LF after ejecting him and the other 3 blocked CB from getting to him all the way to the 3rd base side of the mound. The ump needs to publicly explain this breakdown as the video clearly shows he is wrong and making up stuff to justify his decision.
Furthermore, if you don't think every sport has a serious gambling issue right now and the NCAA, MLB, NBA, NHL, and NFL are complicit with their gambling site corporate partnerships; you have been living under a rock.
Player performance parlays have opened pandoras box to tampering and shaving. Before it was wins or losses, and points spreads. Hard to police, but not impossible. Now you have hundreds of thousands of prop bets on individual player stats being wagered every day on corporate partner sites such as FanDuel and DraftKings. All these sports sanctioning bodies have sold their soul to the devil and left themselves highly susceptible to tampering and rigging.
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Re: Im no conspiracy theorist
Jun 10, 2024, 3:29 PM
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I'm not buying any conspiracy stuff either, but when you pointed out the strike zone tracking on ESPN it was eye opening for sure.
That's obviously not exact--especially on the app where it's a tiny little icon. But in the 11th inning where Shelnut and Thomas walk, and then Barlow started the next batter with two more balls before being pulled... he threw 10 pitches that were called balls that look like strikes on the tracker.
Again, not buying any kind of top-down ESPN/SEC scheme, but if you said that home plate ump had a grudge and shamelessly shrunk the strike zone way down for our pitchers... that's not exactly crazy to say.
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It's kind of hard not to be....
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Jun 10, 2024, 4:10 PM
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ESPN needs money. Where do they get it? From Ads, now betting (<-which you cannot tell me does not influence things), and their conference alignments. (This is why they are trying to get max teams in football playoffs). But back to baseball.....
Just like recruiting, it used to be follow the visits......now it is follow the $. What is going to pay well for ESPN?.....yup, "their teams".....Just look at the first head line "SEC Gets in.....".
Now speaking of conspiracy theories.....
The "strikes" were "down, and to the left.....down, and to the left"......"down............and to the left".
Go Tigers, still proud of the team and their accomplishments.....we're watching them climb!
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Re: Im no conspiracy theorist
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Jun 10, 2024, 4:21 PM
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Like I've said before, this time of year playing an SEC team...you have to beat more than just that team. And they don't try to hide how obvious it looks either
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Re: Im no conspiracy theorist
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Jun 10, 2024, 4:39 PM
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This could have all been avoided if the umps handled this the way they were trained to control a situation. When Caglione spiked the bat in front of our dugout on his HR in the 1st inning, both teams should have been issued warnings and made clear that this behavior would not be tolerated.
Then if the dust up still happens between, he and Nawrocki in the 2nd, then both players get ejected. No questions they were both warned and that's the consequences. As an umpire, if that's not the way you are going to handle that situation, then you just get everybody calmed down and continue the game.
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Nawrocki has to understand the importance of Caglione and as soon as he was shoved, he should have locked up with him. I love Nawrocki and think he is a future star for us, but Caglione is exponentially more important to UFs lineup than Nawrocki is currently to our lineup. I believe Caglione gone for that game and the next puts us in Omaha.
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Re: Im no conspiracy theorist
Jun 10, 2024, 4:57 PM
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this guy gets it, absolutely should have locked up with him, get him ejected,
short version: it does not matter if you really buy this "espn/sec conspiracy stuff" its real........why do some people have such a mental block that these absolutely exist, it is not your imagination that it is happening over and over again. The explanation is very simple as someone explained betting and ESPN is protecting there product aka money product.
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Lots of conspiracy is Not conspiracy..
Jun 10, 2024, 6:26 PM
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Even in politics and which sports is to a degree.
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Re: Im no conspiracy theorist
Jun 10, 2024, 10:56 PM
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I’m assuming you are still not a conspiracy theorist.
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