Re: If ND gets access this year, we should make it a requirement

I understand how you feel. But if I may, let me explain a bit about the numbers in play, because most people don't seem to understand them when they go off on Notre Dame's relationship with the ACC and the huge NBC money deal that, out of arrogance and greed, they aren't sharing with the ACC.

Last year, the full members and Notre Dame split about $413 million in ACC revenues. Full members got $29 million, and ND got $7 million. That's $3.6 million per game for full members, and $1.4 million per game for Notre Dame. Meaning, the deal with the ACC guarantees the ACC an additional inventory of five games at a (steep) discount of about 60%. So, maybe not quite as bad a deal as it looks on the face of it.

Second, Notre Dame's deal with NBC is worth about $15 million a year, or about $14 million less than what it would make as a full ACC member. Add the $7 million from the ACC and ND is still making $7 million less than it would as full ACC members. So, ND is taking a $7 million pay cut for the privilege of scheduling three fewer games than full ACC members. That might be arrogant, but it doesn't seem greedy.

Now, with those figures in hand, suppose Notre Dame plays this season as a full member. Suppose they throw their $15 million from the NBC deal into the pot, and the ACC then gave ND an equal share of the revenues for the year. Again using last year's numbers, the pot would now be $428 million. Split 15 ways, that's $28.5 million apiece.

So, why isn't anyone talking about that NBC deal money share, and why do the powers that be at the ACC drive some fans nuts because they don't demand that Notre Dame join the conference? The fact that it would cost each full member about $500,000 a year to bring Notre Dame in as a full member probably has a lot to do with it.

Maybe it's a better deal for the ACC than a lot of people to think? Maybe Notre Dame's arrogant and maybe not, but it's hard to make the case that they're greedy. And when you look at the numbers, it's hard to make the case that the ACC is getting a raw deal, too.

I hope we still get to play this year.

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Jul 27, 2020, 3:11 AM

>What do they make from their non-ACC games, you know, that don’t benefit the ACC in any way?

Probably about the same as other ACC teams make in their non-conference games.

>You really think the ACC would turn down Notre Dame for a cost of $500k/school?

Probably not. My point, though, is to point out that the ACC isn't losing money on the current deal, as many appear to believe. The reverse, in fact.

>What about Notre Dame’s post season play? How much did they make from that?

Perhaps you can read up on this one yourself if you're really interested, but I'll say that ND gets $3.19 million from the CFP in lieu of an equal share of the $66 million that the rest of the ACC teams split.

>You are probably aware that in some years, Clemson lost money on the post season because it is split among the conference, and we made less back than the cost of travel, etc.

I'm sorry, but I don't buy this. For example, this article: https://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-spt-acc-revenue-taxes-0526-story.html says that Clemson and Miami got a bigger split of the total ACC revenues than any of the other teams did in 2017/18, presumably because they both went to the championship game. The difference was about $3.5 million, and that's on top of $2.43 million each that the CFP pays to individual schools for traveling expenses. I'm also able to find info that Clemson spent a total of $5.4 million on the 2016/2017 CFP. If Clemson actually lost money, then I can't find it. It looks like they about break even when they go to the playoffs. And it certainly looks like the actual split between teams takes the CFP expenses into account.

>So how raw of a deal is Notre dame getting, being that they don’t share any post season revenue?

I haven't said, nor do I mean to imply, that Notre Dame is getting a raw deal. Just that the ACC isn't either. Furthermore, I can't find anything to back up your assertion that they don't share any postseason revenue. The most I can find is that the arrangement with Notre Dame hasn't been made public. That said, last year ND got a $3.19 million CFP payout lieu of a share of the $66 million that the ACC gets. Again, how they share any of the lesser bowl revenues (non-NY6-or-CFP-bowl revenues) hasn't been made public, but even if they were allowed to keep all of that, it wouldn't amount to the

>If they are able to play the ACC conf/bowl berth, I’m sure they’ll be happy to share that revenue as well.

That's the arrangement. At least, it is if you accept that a "lump sum that is less than a full share" constitutes "sharing." It appears that both sides are happy with the arrangement, even if the average fan has formed a negative opinion of it based on reading a mess of the the average "it isn't fair, because it just isn't" articles on the matter. Not to say that informed opinions can't differ from my own, but most opinions on this (on both sides) are surprisingly uninformed, and based on erroneous assumptions.

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Where's the conference NBC TV deal money share? Hate ND.***

Re: Where's the conference NBC TV deal money share? Hate ND.***

No way! Formally join the conference in football or get lost

Re: Where's the conference NBC TV deal money share? Hate ND.***

Re: Where's the conference NBC TV deal money share? Hate ND.***

Re: Where's the conference NBC TV deal money share? Hate ND.***

If ND gets access this year, we should make it a requirement