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Orange Blooded [3396]
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Let's say the republicans take the senate in '14,
Sep 23, 2013, 10:37 AM
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hold a wide margin in the house, and a moderate republican wins the WH in '16... Christie, Rubio, or Bush.
What major legislation do you think will be accomplished during the subsequent 4 years?
Just curious to see what the conservatives think a realistic scenario looks like, given this opportunity.
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Orange Blooded [2586]
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Hopefully a budget would get passed***
Sep 23, 2013, 10:39 AM
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Orange Blooded [3396]
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I'd expect that would finally get done.***
Sep 23, 2013, 10:58 AM
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Budget got passed this year
Sep 23, 2013, 3:40 PM
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House and Senate passed a budget, but house Pubs (lead by Cruz amongst others) blocked it from going into reconciliation.
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All-TigerNet [11208]
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The only piece of "major legislation" that I can think of is
Sep 23, 2013, 10:41 AM
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term limits. Not 2 but 1. One and done. Step away from the trough, Mr. Legislator.
We have plenty of legislation that is not only being ignored but, is treated as if it doe not even exist. Let's try this with what exists, for a while.
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Orange Blooded [3396]
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I'm not sure I see federal term limits happening.
Sep 23, 2013, 11:01 AM
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Maybe when it's the norm among state legislatures, but not before.
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All-TigerNet [11208]
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Of course it won't happen. It's not in their interest.***
Sep 23, 2013, 11:03 AM
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Oculus Spirit [97897]
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Well, since you said republicans, probably a modest
Sep 23, 2013, 10:44 AM
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improvement, if anything. Nothing substantial will be done to fix our problems with those like Lindsey Graham and John McCain in power in Congress and a moderate GOP President.
Until conservatives take over the White House and Congress, nothing will improve. And currently there is no political party in DC that likes conservatives, even though they occupy at least half of the political spectrum.
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Orange Blooded [3396]
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I'm not sure that your definition of "conservative"
Sep 23, 2013, 11:07 AM
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makes up half of the political spectrum, as you say. For example, if they participated in a poll I'm sure that Lindsey Graham and John McCain supporters would identify themselves as economically conservative.
To meet your criteria, I bet that number is actually less than 30%. Just a guess, based on the self-identified 41% of economic conservatives in this country today:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/162746/fewer-americans-identify-economic-conservatives-2013.aspx
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All-In [47898]
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Repealing Barrycare,
Sep 23, 2013, 10:44 AM
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then reducing much of the burdensome regulations Obummer has put on business.
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All-TigerNet [10161]
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That^^^ and
Sep 23, 2013, 11:00 AM
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Then reestablishing/refurbishing NASA and our military!
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I would also like to see them secure our borders.***
Sep 23, 2013, 11:09 AM
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Oculus Spirit [97897]
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Here's my solution to the healthcare issue
Sep 23, 2013, 11:01 AM
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George Soros is even coming to the realization that Obamacare is an unmitigated disaster. And he's right. The solution MUST address costs, not coverage.
My plan would attach the issue from several angles, all of which add unnecessarily to the costs of our healthcare. First, ditch Obamacare. Second, make health insurance policies portable so that the myriad of state regulations, and associated costs, can be spread more easily. Second, I would change the patent laws with regards to prescription medications to a limit of five years. Third, I would make the FDA process easier for creating new drugs. Fourth, I would enact tort reforms to limit medical malpractice and other claims.
This is the kind of stuff that fixes problems. None of these ideas are being considered in Congress other than repealing Obamacare. There are no lobbyists in Washington lobbying to make insurance more affordable. There are thousands lobbying for things that can make it more expensive though. Drug companies and the ABA are at the top of that list.
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i love it when people beat the tort reform drum. i'm not
Sep 23, 2013, 11:05 AM
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saying that lawyers and lawsuits are not a part of the problem. they probably are. but insurance companies deserve every bit as much of the blame.
generally, though, i don't think people appreciate how difficult it is to actually bring a medical malpractice case in most states and how much harder it is to actually get a verdict. the successes are few and far between.
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Oculus Spirit [97897]
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Generally though, I don't think people appreciate the
Sep 23, 2013, 11:23 AM
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actual costs to insurance companies regardless of where an award is delivered in any particular case. Let's say you get one HUGE award in one case, and there are another 30 where there IS no award. The insurance company still has to pay the legal costs of defending those other unsuccessful claims. Overall, insurance companies spend FAR more money defending claims successfully than they spend paying out awards.
Solution: LIMIT the award and less hungry lawyers will file cases, and there would be less need to defend the frivolous ones. You see this in Worker's Comp. That was done to allow our economy to function effectively. In Worker's Comp the VAST majority of the expense in claims is from MEDICAL care, not permanent disability awards or TT payments or even legal fees. There's not a lot of money to be made filing frivolous comp claims as with medical malpractice. The awards are set by law. Die and you can get up to $300,000. Become a paraplegic and the insurance company pays $300,000 for total disability PLUS $10,000,000+ in medical care. If your claim is not denied and is accepted, then you don't even need a lawyer and neither does the insurance company. If a claimant dies or is severely injured, and the claim is denied, all the lawyer can get if he is successful at getting the claim accepted is 1/3 of the permanent disability, which at most is around $300K. He doesn't get 1/3 of the medical costs in the claim.
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well, couple things...one, filing "frivolous" medical
Sep 23, 2013, 11:35 AM
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malpractice cases is almost non-existant. here in NC, as in many other states, the awards have already been severely limited. so much, in fact, that very few lawyers actually take med mal cases here anymore. i know that we take almost none. i've had many, many conversations with potential litigants in which i've basically told them "you've got a case, but the award is going to be so small that we can't take it." it sucks but it happens all the time. only the really big med mal cases even get brought anymore. and in the smaller ones, people can't find lawyers willing to take them.
my point, really, is that these so-called "frivolous" med mal cases don't really exist. there are a lot of hoops you have to jump through, expensive hoops for that matter, before you can bring a case. you can't just go to the courthouse and file suit in most jurisdictions without first knowing that you've got a pretty solid case to bring.
as for work comp, you are correct that the awards are limited and the attorney fees are smaller, 25% here in NC, but those numbers you mentioned are hardly fair IMO. what you're saying is that if a 30-year-old family bread-winner is killed or paralyzed and can never work again, that $300K is plenty enough to feed, house, clothe and educate his family. not likely. the more likely scenario is that the taxpayers are going to end up paying a lot for those folks for a long time to come.
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Agree and instead of having all these mandates, just help
Sep 23, 2013, 11:06 AM
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folks get it if they want it. No need to cause so much chaos,impose fines and jail terms, or forcing companies to drop there existing plans. Just help those that need it.
Sorta... revamp medicaid.
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how about this: we move toward a single payer system
Sep 23, 2013, 11:09 AM
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where everyone american citizen is covered with either a silver, gold or platinum plan, based on how much they have paid into the system over the years?
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All-TigerNet [10161]
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Re: how about this: we move toward a single payer system
Sep 23, 2013, 11:13 AM
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NO....
No to socialism on all accounts.
With what I said only those that can't afford it get some help. But that is not changing the whole system and it isn't giving control to the government.
Lets go for less government oversight and control.
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i have historically been against a single payer system. but
Sep 23, 2013, 11:20 AM
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what we've got now is a cluster-fuck of redundancy. wouldn't it be a lot simpler and a lot cheaper if there wasn't so much overlap and redundancy? we'd lose a lot of jobs at first, but it's probably be made up for in the long run.
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Oculus Spirit [97897]
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Please to be providing a list of well-run government
Sep 23, 2013, 11:31 AM
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programs.
Thanks.
FYI - Fraud is 6X higher ($60 billion versus $10 billion) with medicaid/medicare than the entire private health care industry as a whole, which is much bigger.
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fraud is clearly a problem in medicaid/medicare, or at least
Sep 23, 2013, 11:40 AM
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it has been. there is no doubt about that. but i think that is changing. doctors are under very heavy scrutiny right now in terms of their billing practices. so much so, that many, many docs are opting not to take medicaid/medicare at all.
as for well-run government programs, i'm sure there are many. we like to ##### about stuff, but many, if not most, of these programs are fairly well run. and insurance might be better run with an infusion of former private-sector insurance employees who will be looking for jobs in government-run healthcare.
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Oculus Spirit [97897]
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Please to be providing that list.....again.
Sep 23, 2013, 11:46 AM
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My wife investigates medicaid and medicare fraud. The docs are opting out of medicaid/medicare because they can't afford to accept it. A busy doctor needs a staff of 8-10 employees or more to handle all the paperwork. You would be amazed at the rates a doctor can charge as cash-only.
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why don't you give me a list of the ones that are so poorly
Sep 23, 2013, 11:54 AM
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run. you know, including that SS system that never misses a payment or that post office that still lets me mail something anywhere i want to for less than the price of a pack of gum?
as for medicaid/medicare, docs are opting out of it b/c they don't get paid ####, which was fine when accepting it was not such an enormous pain in the ###. now, you've got relatively uneducated people calling doctors' offices and questioning the docs on treatment rendered, denying coverage for treatment or even adjusting post-treatment what they're going to pay. docs have had it with those folks. which wouldn't be likely to change under a single payer system. but, again, that's a different conversation.
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Oculus Spirit [97897]
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Good start. You named two. Keep going.***
Sep 23, 2013, 12:32 PM
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All-TigerNet [11208]
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Last I heard, the USPS was losing their ###.***
Sep 23, 2013, 12:38 PM
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Oculus Spirit [97897]
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Doesn't matter to some, evidently, as long as they get
Sep 23, 2013, 12:44 PM
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their mail...and get it cheap.
Social Security is slated to last perhaps another 20 years, but SSD will go broke in 2 years unless they print some more money.
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All-TigerNet [11208]
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Yeah, I was thinking that same thing.
Sep 23, 2013, 12:48 PM
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All they have to do is wait for the ink to dry.
Both are #### poor business models.
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Re: fraud is clearly a problem in medicaid/medicare, or at least
Sep 23, 2013, 11:49 AM
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Keep the government small.
YOu don't want any more obama's. Another guy like this and we'll lose way more than we gain. We won't be much different than cuba and russia if that trend gets more acceptable.
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Re: i have historically been against a single payer system. but
Sep 23, 2013, 11:45 AM
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Cannot let the government run a program like primary insurance.
Perhaps make changes where one can shop nationally for best program, but limit government.
Revamp medicaid because folks working part time or retired without benefits etc will need help.
IMo, no to giving govt more power.
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Oculus Spirit [97897]
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there are always going to people who don't pay into the
Sep 23, 2013, 11:45 AM
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system. and your cost-savings will occur because you will avoid the redundancy of having so many different systems in place to accomplish the same thing. right now, you've got people who know how to do medicaid, medicare, military insurance, private insurance, etc. all these redundant jobs and forms.
in addition, a single payer is better positioned to control cost. docs can't opt out of medicaid and only accept cash and private insurance like they're doing now.
now, will this affect the quality of the care we receive? maybe. but that's a totally different conversation. americans as a whole seem to be willing to look at other systems and consider sacrificing quality for cost. or maybe the grass is just always greener...
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Oculus Spirit [97897]
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I'm all for a single payer system, for whoever want it or
Sep 23, 2013, 12:29 PM
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needs it. Trust me, it will be for people who need it because no one will want it. But I would have no problem with a system like they have in Australia. Somehow their politicians have managed to enact free government health care to ANYONE who wants it. BUT, they also have a thriving private health care industry as well, with private hospitals and private doctors.
My father had a heart attack and bypass surgery in Australia, so I know what I'm talking about. It was in 1998 BTW.
When it first happened they obviously took him to the nearest hospital, which was government run. It was nowhere near as nice as our hospitals. But they did a cath and found the blockage and got him stabilized. Then, they gave him the option. He could have the bypass at that hospital for FREE, or opt to be transferred 30 minutes south to a private hospital. All it took was a good look around and talking to about 10 people to figure out the choice. We went to the private hospital. On the next morning when they transferred him, he got breakfast at the government hospital. The milk was clumpy and rotten.
At the private hospital we met his doctor who was trained at Emory. The hospital was right next to an airport and had a hotel attached to it. We learned the hospital specialized in treating patients from other countries, including the US. Patients fly in, their families stay in the hotel, and they are treated and released. Great idea.
So then it came time to pay. At that time we were not sure if Dad's insurance would pay for the procedure or not. So we put $20,000 on the old American Express card. When we got back we submitted the claim to the insurance company and they GLADLY paid for it. Come to find out, that same procedure would have cost twice as much in Columbia, SC, and the PRIVATE hospital in Australia was as good as any I've ever seen in the US and was better than the hospitals in Columbia at the time.
But fast forward to today and I know that a similar system would never be allowed to exist in the US. Congress would not stand for it. But at the time, you could get free health care in Australia which was worse than in the US, or world class medical care at a private hospital. And the world-class care at a private hospital would cost HALF what the same procedure costs in the US.
So I would be all for 2 separate systems, but we all know our government will not stand for that. We will all be forced into government health care if we like it or not, and any attempt at private care would be regulated out of existence by Congress.
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i would not have a problem with a system like the one you
Sep 23, 2013, 1:38 PM
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describe. but i agree, it might not fly in our country, where an unemployed meth head has the exact same rights as a responsible, employed father of 2.
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Legend [18026]
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Most of the costs comes from coverage issues...
Sep 23, 2013, 4:07 PM
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so your plan would do very little to solve any problems.
Not to say that what you propose isn't a good idea, but much of that can be added along with a form of Obamacare. Your major mistake is not dealing with coverage at all. That's a HUGE mistake.
(Fixing the patent system alone is a huge ordeal, but I do agree, it's a necessary action. And not just the medical part, ALL of it.)
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Orange Blooded [3396]
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I think they will run on that issue...
Sep 23, 2013, 11:15 AM
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but by that time, a full repeal will be impossible.
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well, from what i understand, only white men will be able to
Sep 23, 2013, 10:47 AM
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vote. the poor will be robbed of all elements of welfare. and women will not be able to find birth control except on the black market. but that's just what i've been hearing.
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Ring of Honor [32958]
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You should quit listening to the pubs' campaign promises and
Sep 23, 2013, 11:12 AM
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look at what they've done when in office. They son't accomplish any of that... 
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i actually got most of that from democrats' campaign ads,
Sep 23, 2013, 11:22 AM
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CNN and NPR.
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None. I remember the last time the GOP
Sep 23, 2013, 11:02 AM
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Held the WH, Senate and House.
Nada.
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Re: None. I remember the last time the GOP
Sep 23, 2013, 11:10 AM
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Laudy, you can't seriously say you like what the white house is doing, can you?
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No...but I voted for the last guy twice...
Sep 23, 2013, 11:21 AM
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and what conservative values can I hang my hat on that he did.
They are all the same.
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Not much different from the democrats
Sep 23, 2013, 1:09 PM
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Debt will continue to balloon, babies will continue to be murdered, freedoms will continue to be eroded.
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Re: Not much different from the democrats
Sep 23, 2013, 11:42 AM
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This 1000+. Same old same old.
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Nothing. Same old disappoint.***
Sep 23, 2013, 1:40 PM
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hopefully the Ryan budget...
Sep 23, 2013, 2:35 PM
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which would include Medicare reform and a repeal of Obamacare, along with some kind of preparation for SS reform. I also think they would pass some kind of tax reform, hopefully one focused on helping families rather than just focused on cutting rates for big producers while possibly raising the tax liability for lower owners.
Frankly, though, I'd just be happy with them repealing a lot of what's been done from 2008 on.
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Re: hopefully the Ryan budget...
Sep 23, 2013, 2:49 PM
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Wake yo' self up from yo' dream world.
Pubs are going to continue the big gubment programs. In the past 30 yrs. they haven't evah cut one dime from real spending. NEVER! Never cut one single thing that reduced the size and scope of the fed. gubmint. NEVER! They had the House, Senate and the WH under GW Bush, a progressive, and increased every ### thing in the Fed. gubmint.
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That would lead to another 2007-2008.
Sep 23, 2013, 4:08 PM
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GOP would be destroyed if it did that.
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i dont think any of that will happen, and
Sep 23, 2013, 6:25 PM
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a divided govt is not a bad thing, unless you like things like obamacare or the patriot act on steroids
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Orange Blooded [3396]
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I think a moderate republican has a good shot.
Sep 24, 2013, 9:25 AM
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We have a history in this country of flip-flopping between parties in consecutive presidential elections.
And the republicans are doing a fantastic job of gerrymandering the heck out of house districts. States like North Carolina are a good example of the strategy at work.
The Senate will be a close call, IMO. There are key retiring democrats that are leaving vulnerable seats.
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110%er [9081]
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i hope you are right***
Sep 24, 2013, 6:32 PM
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Orange Blooded [3396]
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Personally, I don't care anymore.
Sep 25, 2013, 11:41 AM
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This body politic is toxic swill, thanks to to the vocal fringe.
Pelosi, Reid, Cruz, and Rand aren't the problem with this country, only a reflection. The nutjobs behind the keystrokes on this board (and many thousands of others), on Facebook and on Twitter are to blame. These are people who have no stake in solutions–--only a guttural need to be right in 72 characters or less.
If I did have a single hope, it would be that Hysterical Freakshow Blogger/Talking Head/Anonymous Voice in the Dark would fall out of fashion. But based on that acceleration of pure excrement coming out of cable television, that hope is far fetched.
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Walk-On [149]
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Re: I think a moderate republican has a good shot.
Sep 29, 2013, 5:23 PM
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As far as Gerrymandering goes, the Democrats got more votes for their Congressional candidates yet the GOP has a pretty healthy majority in the House. I think we are in for at least another 4 years of the Clintons and there is not a whole lot that is going to stop that.
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