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For all those that want Dabo gone
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For all those that want Dabo gone

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Dec 4, 2024, 4:24 PM
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Tell me why please and thank you 😊

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Dec 4, 2024, 4:29 PM
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Nobody "wants" Dabo gone.

They just want Dabo to take NIL more seriously and to utilize the transfer portal.

NIL is starting to be taken more seriously. Still waiting on the portal.

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Dec 4, 2024, 5:22 PM
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Oh not true. Plenty of people want him gone. For example everyone's favorite self proclaimed NIL expert

"Dabo, too [Has to go]. He's the H.C. He's responsible. This abortion had his fingerprints all over it."

https://www.tigernet.com/clemson-forum/message/why-sammy-brown-was-taken-out-of-the-game-in-4th-quarter-35962135

"Until yesterday, I repeatedly said that I wanted Dabo to adapt.No mas. It's time for him to retire and let a younger coach with better ideas take over."

https://www.tigernet.com/clemson-forum/message/heres-a-hard-truth-for-the-fire-riley-crowd.-35949138

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Thanks for confirming that I am right.

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Dec 4, 2024, 7:32 PM
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Pulling Sammy Brown out because he thought SC was going to change their offensive game plan was epically stupid.

And...I'm not a self proclaimed anything.
Stop lying.

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Re: Thanks for confirming that I am right.

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Dec 4, 2024, 8:48 PM
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What are you even talking about. Are you that hard pressed for validation and to prove you are “right” about something that you’re unable to follow the thread? No one was referencing Sammy in this thread.

I used your posts as an example of someone calling for CDS to no longer be the HC here when Leon said no was wants that.

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I referenced it, you ignorant ###.

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Dec 4, 2024, 8:52 PM
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That stupid move was what tipped me from wanting Dabo to adapt to wanting him gone, as stated.

Please ask Santa to bring you the ability to discern for Christmas.

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Re: I referenced it, you ignorant ###.

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Dec 4, 2024, 8:57 PM
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The reason isn’t relevant (and I agree pulling Sammy was idiotic). You’re conflating issues again

You were used an example to counter Leon’s point that no one wants him gone. You do and I provided the evidence that some do want him gone

It’s really that simple. Thanks for backing up my original point

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Re: I referenced it, you ignorant ###., Part Deux.

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Dec 4, 2024, 9:11 PM
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Of course it's relevant. I was on the "Dabo should adapt camp" until that epically ####### move with benching Sammy.

You're using pedantry in a lame attempt to avoid that reality.

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Re: I referenced it, you ignorant ###., Part Deux.

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Dec 4, 2024, 9:19 PM
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It’s literally not pedantics when it’s the entire point. Or are you missing the point on purpose?

Leon Trotsky: Nobody "wants" Dabo gone

NOVATiger: There actually are people, here is an example

Bluffton: Yup I want him gone and here is the reason

Now do you see why the reason is extraneous?

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Re: I referenced it, you ignorant ###., Part Deux.


Dec 5, 2024, 12:48 PM [ in reply to Re: I referenced it, you ignorant ###., Part Deux. ]
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One bad coaching move and you fire the man. Come on.

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Dec 5, 2024, 11:51 AM [ in reply to Re: For all those that want Dabo gone ]
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So you get personally butt hurt if someone doesn’t like somebody else? What? What’s it to you if a fan doesn’t like the coach? You presented your post like someone was on trial, lol…

Calm down. It’s ok if someone doesn’t like Dabo. I couldn’t stand Tommy Bowden, but I love Clemson. Clemson is more than Dabo. Some people need to realize that.

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Dec 5, 2024, 12:51 PM
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Is this in response to my post? Its hard to tell because nothing about my post references whether a fan likes a coach or not.

I was responding to LeonT saying "Nobody "wants" Dabo gone", when that's not entirely true. I provided an example of someone who wants him gone. Even BOM admitted it. Nothing more, nothing less. It's pretty black and white

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Dec 5, 2024, 12:56 PM
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Say what you will, but you come across like a hyperventilating religious nut when someone says they may not believe in God.

Just replace God with Dabo.

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Dec 5, 2024, 1:05 PM
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LOL what? I dont care whether someone believes in Dabo, and like BOM claim about his reason, it has quite literally nothing to do with the thread offshoot

Allow me to distill it down, its rather easy

Leon Trotsky: Nobody "wants" Dabo gone

NOVATiger: There actually are people, here is an example

Bluffton: Yup I want him gone and here is the reason


You see that's all there is to it. I provided something that was counter to Leon's statement. If you wish to make inferences that aren't there, by all means go for it. It just wont ever make it true.

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Dec 4, 2024, 5:59 PM [ in reply to Re: For all those that want Dabo gone ]
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Although I find the vast majority of your posts informative and intelligent, this is a response posters on here give to the OPs question. But there are more than a few that have called for him to be gone. Most of them want him to step aside and a few lunatic fringe (am I allowed to type that?) want him fired.

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Dec 5, 2024, 11:24 AM
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But they are calling for Dabo to be gone because all evidence has pointed to us not adapting to NIL and the transfer portal.

The reality is, everyone wants to Dabo to be the head coach, but they want him to utilize all of the tools available.

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Dec 5, 2024, 12:49 PM
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Exactly. Leon is still sober for sure.😀

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Wait a second

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Dec 4, 2024, 8:52 PM [ in reply to Re: For all those that want Dabo gone ]
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Nobody wants Dabo gone?






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Re: Wait a second


Dec 4, 2024, 9:33 PM
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This is what happens to immature, disingenuous people with a keyboard fetish.

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Re: Wait a second


Dec 5, 2024, 11:17 AM [ in reply to Wait a second ]
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You are confused with what the word "wants" means.

I don't "want" to go back on my diet. But I have to if I want to lose weight.

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Re: Wait a second


Dec 5, 2024, 12:50 PM [ in reply to Wait a second ]
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Oh my, he has got you now Leon. What say you?

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Re: For all those that want Dabo gone

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Dec 4, 2024, 9:32 PM [ in reply to Re: For all those that want Dabo gone ]
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You recently called for just that.

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Dec 5, 2024, 11:23 AM
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With the context of Dabo not adapting to NIL and the transfer portal.

That's what I "want" Dabo to do. If he's not going to do that, then it would be best for him to retire. But it sounds like he is going to adapt.

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Dec 5, 2024, 11:56 AM
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You’re being treated like you committed a crime, lol. Why is the idea of not liking Dabo taboo? Who you like and don’t like doesn’t affect me or anyone else at all.

And people wonder why the word “cult” is used here so often. Wow.

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Dec 5, 2024, 12:19 PM
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True.

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Dec 5, 2024, 12:01 PM [ in reply to Re: For all those that want Dabo gone ]
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They actually do. They’re just enough self aware of how insane it would look to openly call for it.

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Dec 5, 2024, 12:45 PM [ in reply to Re: For all those that want Dabo gone ]
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I can’t believe such a great point from Leon. He must still be sober😀

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Dec 4, 2024, 4:31 PM
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Majority want him to change, not leave. He needs to get out of the stone age as far as the portal and NIL for high school recruits. The biggest change needs to be no more nepotism with the friends and family hires. Our coaching staff has become a retirement home for ex players.

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I was one of them until they insane move

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Dec 4, 2024, 8:46 PM
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to take Sammy Brown out of the SC game because of what SC wasn't doing and never did.

That's a complete coaching failure.
Completely out of touch.
Dabonis the HC. He can't hide from this one.

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Dec 5, 2024, 12:00 PM
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😭

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Re: I was one of them until they insane move

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Dec 5, 2024, 12:22 PM
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TigerBot59. The TD bot. There’s no chance a complete thought rests anywhere inside that pea brain of yours. All you do is TD people all day. 7,000 of them.

Heck I might just join and TD every single one of your posts until your little pulse is tanked and ruined. I may even take off work to do it.

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Dec 5, 2024, 1:02 PM [ in reply to Re: For all those that want Dabo gone ]
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Clemson Football unlike many others has always been dependent upon a unique head coach such as Frank Howard Danny Ford and now Dabo Swinney. If Dabo left this football program it would fall at least 5 years like a lead ballon. We wandered thru the wilderness many years before the correct man was found. Give Dabo time to get his footing in this new world of college football and he will take us back to the top. Before that, the road will be a little rocky.

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All we want is Dabo to adapt and use all the tools available

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Dec 4, 2024, 4:33 PM
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To be successful instead of needlessly putting ourselves at a competitive disadvantage.

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Dec 4, 2024, 4:52 PM
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What we really want is OG Dabo hungry back. Not fat and happy Dabo.

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Re: For all those that want Dabo gone

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Dec 4, 2024, 4:54 PM
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I’m not afraid to say it… I absolutely want him gone… UNLESS

He starts playing the game off the field the way everybody has been the past 3/4 years.

We are absolutely trending in the wrong direction and if it’s allowed to continue we will be bereft of talent very quickly and then it will be a full on rebuild for the next guy.

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anyone wanting Dabo gone is shallow-minded, short-sighted and

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Dec 4, 2024, 5:11 PM
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probably just became a fan in the last five years

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what the he11 do you know about football?


Re: anyone wanting Dabo gone is shallow-minded, short-sighted and

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Dec 4, 2024, 7:17 PM
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Maybe because a fan through the Hatfield and west years and don't want to go back to those days.
At the UGA game, I felt like I was at a Ken Hatfield coached game.

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Dec 5, 2024, 12:39 PM
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"At the UGA game, I felt like I was at a Ken Hatfield coached game."

I absolutely agree with this... and for someone to say that anyone that wants Dabo gone has only been a fan the last 5 years is just stupid! I was a student during the Hatfield/ West eras. Dabo said that if they ever started paying players he would quit. He is clearly not a man of his word.

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Dec 4, 2024, 5:13 PM
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Because he is arrogant, selfish , hypocritical and will not conform to the new college football. His recruiting has dropped from top 10 every year to top 40 now. He acts like everyone in the sport of college football is wrong but him. He makes $11 million a year , but does not use the NIL to recruit, so basically he is saying that players don't deserve the money or get any money until they get on my team , then I will decide how much money they get.
Plus CLEMSON is the only team in college football not utilizing the transfer portal. Its complete Arrogance , hypocritical, and egotistical attitude that everyone is wrong but him..
I've been a Clemson fan since 1974 , I have seen alot of coaches and coaching changes, and his attitude and arrogance is the worse I've ever seen... It's very hard to be a Clemson fan now. He built it to almost a dynasty in 12 years and has just about destroyed it in less than 5 years, give it a few more years and watch . If it wasn't for our schedule this year and us lucking into the accc game, it would of been a 7-5 year. We cannot beat no one with a pulse. Our program has completely reverted back to 2009/2010/2011... and the arrogance to act like it's not happening is beyond me. It's not hard to look at the dudes we had from 2012 to 2020, and compare them to now!!

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His arrogance (not warranted) and stubbornness has

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Dec 4, 2024, 5:51 PM
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Bothered me for a while. I have lot to say about this post and will later

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Re: For all those that want Dabo gone

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Dec 5, 2024, 12:08 PM [ in reply to Re: For all those that want Dabo gone ]
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Perfect post. Glad others are speaking up. Tigernet has a very vocal minority. I’m surrounded by Tigers at work and in my friends and family. No one talks like these cultists on TigerNet. Your words are what I hear.

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Dec 4, 2024, 7:15 PM
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I don't want him gone. I just want him to wake up and make some major changes. 1/2 the position coaches need fired. Wess is no replacement for B.V.

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Dec 4, 2024, 8:36 PM
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Don’t want him gone but I expect him to be a better coach than he has been this year . He has made too many rookie like coaching blunders this year and needs to act and coach like a coach that has been around a while . Special teams failures over and over , clock management against Louisville , refusing to play your best defensive linebacker against your rivals , etc. All I see him doing is continually patting players on the back for making the same mistakes over and over. He has had 2 straight 5 star Qb’s now that have not been developed and that is concerning . Recruiting is a shell of what it was 5-6 years ago , and failure to beat a ranked team all year . I want him to make good sound decisions that should be required of a coach making 11mil per year !!!!

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Dec 5, 2024, 9:41 AM
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I'm happy to field this question.

First and foremost, I would rather us not have to fire Dabo. I like him as a person, and I do think it's good Clemson's players graduate at a high rate and have less legal troubles than many of our "peer programs" (debatable if they're still our peers). I also do appreciate what he did for the school. I've lost a lot of interest in college football since the transfer portal, but in the last time of true college athletics, Dabo took a middling ACC team and made us the premier program in the country for one shining moment. You cannot watch this video and not love what the man did for us. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxU14tE9TxM


However, college football is no longer amateurism. These athletes are now professionals that are going to go to whatever program offers them the most money and the biggest chance of going to the NFL. What you see in the video is NEVER coming back (revenue sharing will not impact NIL deals at all, everyone needs to understand that, and the NCAA cannot regulate those deals under Kavanaugh's opinions). When Dabo renounced the portal and said we'd rely on recruiting the best players and then retaining them, I trusted him. But it really hasn't panned out. Since the end of the 2020 season, we are 2-7 against teams that finished ranked. We've lost by two touchdowns on average.

Our recruiting classes have fallen dramatically. Here are our class rankings since 2020: #3, #5, #10, #11, #15, #26. Our rating by recruit has gone from: #1, #3, #14, #15, #16, #19. It's been on a massive decline for 6 years straight. Meanwhile, many of our rivals (SC, FSU, Miami, ND) have been doing as well or better recruiting, while also supplementing their classes with the transfer portal. So we're basically not bringing in as good of players, we're losing many to the portal, and not adding in any, while the teams we have to compete with are all improving. I've also seen no indication that Dabo is willing or able to admit the method that let us reach the top of the mountain no longer works, and change his process. I like the fact that Dabo marches to the beat of his own drum. But if you're going to not do as the Romans do in Rome, then you need to make sure what you're doing works.

I also have many other concerns.

Dabo has been very different in personality lately than he was 10 years ago. He used to be a tremendously humble guy. Now he uses the threat of taking away press passes from people like David to keep them from asking hard questions. He bristles and attacks good Clemson fans who asked him hard questions, and then refused to take questions at all. Keep in mind these are fans who make less than 1% of what Dabo does, but use their hard-earned money to attend games and donate to the program/NIL fund. But his attitude seems to have changed, in my mind at least, from someone who was humble and happy to serve Clemson, to someone who now thinks Clemson fans and the university owe him for what he's done.

Obviously, there are also issues with game-time decisions. Dabo is not a hyper-intelligent coach like a Mike Leach, Sonny Dykes, or Andy Reid. Xs and Os are not his forte. So he needs to hire coaches to do that for him, and then trust them to do their job. I am friends with some of our biggest boosters who have intimate access to the team/locker room. They've said Venables was not afraid to challenge Dabo, which Dabo resented, and it appears Dabo has now surrounded himself with yes men who also aren't good at developing players or making game-time decisions. If you look at our staff, they are tremendously underqualified compared to other teams, and are almost all either (a) Dabo's former players, (b) Dabo's family, or (c) Dabo's friends. If you are his son or his former player who couldn't get the same level of job elsewhere, you're much less likely to challenge bad ideas of your boss. In my experience, echo chambers are extremely toxic to any organization. And yes, I do think Dabo keeps Riley under his thumb, and I do partially blame Riley for allowing him to do that. I think it's telling that in the last 5 years, the only position group to truly show improvement is Luke, and I think he's the one person who wouldn't kowtow to Dabo.



That's just a preview of some of my concerns. I would strongly, strongly prefer Dabo to just adjust to the times and take steps to rectify the situation. But at the same time, I've lost faith that he's willing or able to do that. We have to realize that we're behind the 8 ball here, and time is of the essence. Right now, there's still enough fan support that we're generating a massive amount of NIL funding. We are the top ACC team in average NIL earnings by quite a bit. But we have several factors weighing against us. The ACC is a terrible conference and the media deal is horrible. The SEC and Big Ten are going to continue increasing their power and influence while we fall behind. And every year we do not compete for a title, we lose relevance in elite players' minds. For a high school junior, they were in elementary school the last time we won a championship. Every year we're going to slip at the rate we're going, and that's going to decrease our fans' enthusiasm and NIL spending. There are plenty of people on this board who say they've already decided NIL donations on top of tickets is too much, and have stopped donating. Meanwhile, we have a coaching staff who is the second-highest paid in the country, and yet refuse to address the situation. I believe that for the amount we spend on Dabo, we could hire an elite coach who will take advantage of all the tools available to him. I'm not saying we should hire him by any means, but look at what Deion Sanders has done at Colorado of all places. Could you imagine what he could do with our talent pool and money?



I simply believe that while Dabo's coaching philosophy was one of the best in the era of amateurism, but it is bad in the era of professionalism. I would prefer he adapt to the times and succeed. But if we cannot do so because it goes against his principles, then we need to move on.

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Dec 5, 2024, 12:42 PM
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Totally agree... POD !

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Dec 5, 2024, 1:05 PM [ in reply to Re: For all those that want Dabo gone ]
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This post sums up everything to the T.

Beautifully crafted and articulated.

This is the answer to any an all questions regarding Dabo as the HC at Clemson.

Well done!

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Don't want him gone. Do want him to adapt. Not sure he will or can.***


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Re: For all those that want Dabo gone

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Dec 5, 2024, 2:19 PM
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I think the problem starts at the top. Which is leadership. I think the experiment that has gone on too long is at the head coach position. Yes Dabo has had a remarkable run. Everyonre is aware of his accomplishments and they have been outstanding but I think his experience of only being exposed to college football has caught up with him and made him slow to adapt to the new model of college football. NFL teams are constantly scouring the waiver/free agent wire to improve. NFL general managers are negotiating free agent contracts. In college football, the equivalent is NIL and the transfer portal. Dabo has had no experience in anything of this nature , as it pertains to roster management, and it has shown. For whatever reason he has been unwilling to adapt to this changing landscape. His lack of adapting has set Clemson football back 3 - 4 years, (and headed downward fast) that is evident by the on-field performance and the recent string of decomittments. I am sure there will be those that don't agree with this comment but I think the validity of it can't be questioned.

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