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Rival Killer [2844]
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I notice a strong correlation between those whose oppose NIL
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Feb 2, 2024, 7:44 AM
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And right wing political views including capitalism.
This seems very contradictory and borderline hypocritical.
What gives?
Why should an adult in America not be able to make money off of his/her own name?
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Orange Immortal [65998]
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Re: I notice a strong correlation between those whose oppose NIL
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Feb 2, 2024, 7:46 AM
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Reality gives!
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Orange Beast [6481]
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Re: I notice a strong correlation between those whose oppose NIL
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Feb 2, 2024, 7:49 AM
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I don't think oppose NIL so much as HOW NIL is being used. If there were proper checks and balances, controls on tampering, a way to enforce the no "pay for play" rule, and reasonable transfer rules, then NIL would be much more tolerated.
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Ring of Honor [21286]
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Re: I notice a strong correlation between those whose oppose NIL
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Feb 2, 2024, 7:52 AM
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Cmon man come to the new world where there’s no rules, checks and balances, or anything that can hamper “progress”.
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Orange Blooded [2145]
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Re: I notice a strong correlation between those whose oppose NIL
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Feb 2, 2024, 8:38 AM
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I agree that NIL and the TP would be better accepted if reasonable controls were in place and enforced . Imagine what a mess the NFL would be if the players could initiate a trade whenever they wanted and there was no salary cap. That’s the crap show college football has evolved into.
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Orange Immortal [65998]
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It is not even like they are initiating a trade - they just bail out
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Feb 2, 2024, 8:47 AM
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and get more money and the team they leave get in a bind trying to go forward with whatever replacement they can find.
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Game Changer [1936]
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Re: It is not even like they are initiating a trade - they just bail out
Feb 2, 2024, 9:13 AM
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Like leaving one company for another company when you’re an adult? Isn’t college supposed to be preparing kid’s for the real world? Isn’t that exactly what we do as an adult? Maximize our earnings for as long as we possibly can?
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Orange Beast [6481]
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Re: It is not even like they are initiating a trade - they just bail out
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Feb 2, 2024, 9:38 AM
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You are describing employment. College athletes are not employees (yet).
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Rival Killer [2844]
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Re: It is not even like they are initiating a trade - they just bail out
Feb 2, 2024, 10:30 AM
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They can be if they want.
Would you have a problem with a player working at Subway to earn extra money?
What’s the difference?
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Clemson Icon [27025]
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Re: It is not even like they are initiating a trade - they just bail out
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Feb 3, 2024, 8:24 AM
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The difference is he would be doing something extra to earn the money.
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Rival Killer [2844]
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Re: It is not even like they are initiating a trade - they just bail out
Feb 3, 2024, 9:04 AM
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You don’t think Cade and DJ had to do something extra for their sponsors commercials?
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Clemson Icon [27025]
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Re: It is not even like they are initiating a trade - they just bail out
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Feb 3, 2024, 12:17 PM
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Yes. And I think that is what NIL is intended to be. Paying players to commit to a school is not.
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Orange Blooded [2145]
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Re: It is not even like they are initiating a trade - they just bail out
Feb 2, 2024, 9:46 AM
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I have worked for the same company for 30 years and it’s because they treatment me very good and compensate me well for it. I only made a tenth of what I make now when I first started. Sometimes loyalty and tenure are rewarded. Jumping for looks shiny and new for a small financial gain is not always in your long term best interest.
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Rock Defender [56]
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Re: It is not even like they are initiating a trade - they just bail out
Feb 3, 2024, 12:46 PM
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well, they've got 4 years of eligibility, how "long-term" should they be planning?
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Clemson Icon [27025]
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Re: It is not even like they are initiating a trade - they just bail out
Feb 3, 2024, 8:29 AM
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With most companies, if you accept up front, lump sum payments (signing bonuses) you have to agree to work there for a prescribed period of time. If not, you are liable for repayment. The company I worked for had a very generous relocation program that included bonuses for employees moving to an area of higher cost of living to make their home costs affordable. These were “forgiven” over a period of time. If you didn’t stay the prescribed amount of time you had to repay a prorated portion of the bonus. These are the types of limitations that should be put on the program. Or the student athletes should have to actually do something with their name, image or likeness to get payment.
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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Regulating NIL by the NCAA is illegal.
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Feb 2, 2024, 2:58 PM
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The 9-0 Supreme Court decision says so.
The NCAA is trying a back door way to do so by going after Tennessee, Florida, and FSU. Allegedly they're investigating several other schools.
They're going to lose this one on the same grounds as they lost the NCAA vs. Alston decision. Illegal restraint of trade.
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Orange Blooded [2119]
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Re: Regulating NIL by the NCAA is illegal.
Feb 2, 2024, 11:05 PM
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The court said NAME, IMAGE, LIKENESS. As in using the student athlete’s nil on a cereal box, video game, biilbiards, jerseys, etc…
It most definitely did not say a school (such as Texas) could create a collective that pays ANY offensive linemen that plays there a base salary of $75k a year.
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All-Conference [421]
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Re: Regulating NIL by the NCAA is illegal.
Feb 3, 2024, 7:23 AM
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The NCAA is going after Florida State for recruiting violations outside of NIL. NIL represents funds that are supposed to be sponsored outside of the school and receivable upon leaving the institution. It is not a practice of giving the athlete whatever he wants now.
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Tiger Titan [49978]
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What have you done for me lately!
Feb 3, 2024, 8:46 AM
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Your team is a day or one fight from losing your whole team and they walk away with the money so you better coddle everything to keep everyone happy & that might not be enough.
It’s almost insanity!
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Re: I notice a strong correlation between those whose oppose NIL
Feb 4, 2024, 8:22 AM
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Wow can't believe you are so insensitive...these are raised from womb to grave on someone else's money and you would challenge them making change off their contrived name that nobody can pronounce or spell when they are now pot smoking heroes! We should be worshiping these gladiators, men of steel (or steal) while the can make some money before they go on to better paying jobs...yes much of the blame is olewhite men with too much money and too little testosterone, trying to live a fantasy they never had!
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Ring of Honor [21286]
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Re: I notice a strong correlation between those whose oppose NIL
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Feb 2, 2024, 7:51 AM
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Don’t do politics as both are equally stupid but I see a correlation in the other side being disingenuous about the entire arguement while acting like everything is peaches and cream. NIL for the kids is great but to act like NIL is actually NIL is just stupid.
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All-In [10857]
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Re: I notice a strong correlation between those whose oppose NIL
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Feb 2, 2024, 7:52 AM
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To be fair, I think is less about making money of the athletes' names and more about the hypocrisy of 'government' oversight, but everyone knows you're merely looking for the highest bidder (and that's not how the law says it). Conservatives generally hate government involvement ("what's one government program that runs effectively/efficiently?"). If you're going to have free market, don't act like it's not free market with rules that get ignored.
It's almost like liberals always want rules, but those rules never apply to them.
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Game Changer [1928]
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Re: I notice a strong correlation between those whose oppose NIL
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they hate govt involvement except when it comes to preventing homosexuals to get married, smoking a harmless plant, ending a pregnancy b/c of rape, watching pornography in NC, the over all encouragement of police states, books that talk about tough topics, breaking treaties with native Americans, oil drilling in national parks, along with many more instances of govt over reach.
They try to set legal standards based on their religious "morals" to control the population while operating with disregard for others.
What is the saying? Small govt for me, not for thee?
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Clemson Icon [24892]
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LOL Again
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ok again
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Valley Protector [1470]
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Game Changer [1928]
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Re: I notice a strong correlation between those whose oppose NIL
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Feb 2, 2024, 10:39 AM
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I like how you just stick to the standard GOP response when you don't have any ground to stand on so you just resort to name calling
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Valley Protector [1470]
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Re: I notice a strong correlation between those whose oppose NIL
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Feb 2, 2024, 11:19 AM
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I didn’t call you a name, just implying that your perspective is us/them, knee jerk, and dismissive of anyone that disagrees with you on a single issue. We’re all more complicated than that.
Your reply sounds as if it came from KJP’s daily talking points.
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Rival Killer [3030]
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Rival Killer [2844]
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Rival Killer [3030]
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Ultimate Tiger [37853]
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Re: I notice a strong correlation between those whose oppose NIL
Feb 3, 2024, 8:53 AM
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they hate govt involvement except when it comes to preventing homosexuals to get married, smoking a harmless plant, ending a pregnancy b/c of rape, watching pornography in NC, the over all encouragement of police states, books that talk about tough topics, breaking treaties with native Americans, oil drilling in national parks, along with many more instances of govt over reach.
They try to set legal standards based on their religious "morals" to control the population while operating with disregard for others.
What is the saying? Small govt for me, not for thee?
There are states where homosexuals do get married. America is a free country and you are able to move to any state that shares your views.
You can go to Oregon or any other left wing crime ridden state and smoke all the dope you want, but I did read they are now trying to reverse the laws they just implemented because of the rise in crime and homelessness(who would have thought).
Not sure many right wing pro lifers have said rape was not a reason to get an abortion. Not preferred but it’s not all or nothing. That’s the biggest lie being told by the libs. Fact is less than 5% of said abortions are for that reason so the right is talking about the other 95.
Pornograhy to each their own but have never seen the need in it personally.
You should be a MSNBC anchor lady or man or whatever it is you identify(libs struggle with this as well) you would fit right in with said talking points.
Most of the things mentioned are basically world views. One is more morally corrupt than the other.
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Tiger Cub [10]
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Re: I notice a strong correlation between those whose oppose NIL
Feb 5, 2024, 5:08 PM
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You do know that the crime rate in South Carolina is higher than Oregon.
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Orange Immortal [67583]
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They absolutely should...
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Feb 2, 2024, 8:03 AM
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The problem is that the whole NIL practice remains largely unregulated and a number of schools are now using it as a "pay to play" recruiting tool to not only entice and influence kids decisions but also encourage them to transfer from one school to the other which was never the intent. The issue isn't NIL. The issue is that it remains unregulated. Unfortunately, now that the horse has been let out of the barn, it will be very difficult to put it back.
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Offensive Star [349]
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Re: They absolutely should...
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Feb 2, 2024, 8:20 AM
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Now NIL has been approved for private schools in N.C. I can see Daddies now filling out paperwork to get their kids NIL. It will be a disaster if some kids have a NIL and their teammates don’t. There will be a lot of look out blocks for the NIL QB.
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Game Changer [1936]
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Re: They absolutely should...
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Because that’s your natural emotion to seeing that is jealousy. But you can’t speak for other kids emotions. Maybe they would be happy for their friends
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Head Coach [946]
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Feb 4, 2024, 12:26 AM
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I think that both NIL and the transfer portal are honestly okay by themselves. It’s having both wide-open at once that is causing the issues. Powers at be that wanted this to happen somehow didn’t understand it would result in a “bidding war” with illegal contact of students at another school. It’ll be hard to put it back in the box too. Everything is “all about me/the bag” now days. Ideas like loyalty and commitment are laughed at by todays youth
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Game Changer [1928]
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Re: I notice a strong correlation between those whose oppose NIL
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Funny how all of their solutions are very much dripping with communism too.
Even more funny how they have such a shallow view of communism they can't understand why.
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Clemson Icon [24892]
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LOL
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Athletic Dir [1169]
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?? The entire American capitalism rise to the top has been built on
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contract law, systematic structure and balance between regulations and government hands vs complete freedom of markets. .
Without the rules, regulations and laws America wouldn’t have the trust necessary to attract capital from all over the world.
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MVP [525]
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Re: ?? The entire American capitalism rise to the top has been built on
Feb 3, 2024, 8:18 PM
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You are dead right on this one. IntrepidWill knows very little of what capitalism is.
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Athletic Dir [1169]
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Of course athletes should be able to make money, and of course schools
Feb 2, 2024, 8:19 AM
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should pay them their market rate. But it’s not good healthy or sustainable for the sport or institutions to have boosters running around making the financial deals on their schools behalf.
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Valley Protector [1470]
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Now Dont Start Making Sense
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Feb 2, 2024, 9:24 AM
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It will stress out the tame sheep.
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Clemson Icon [24892]
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Tell 'em 5-7 coot. No one knows losing better than you.
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Nothing since 1969
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1st Rounder [693]
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then you are really not good at making correlations
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Feb 2, 2024, 8:25 AM
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people who are not socialists agree in a free economy as long as the playing field is fair, in that I mean agents tampering etc. If texas wants to spend a trillion dollars great as long as they are not tampering with other school's players at the same time.
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Orange Immortal [67583]
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In my experience...
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Feb 2, 2024, 8:50 AM
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anti-capitalists or socialists views of equal access to resources for all individuals (i.e., spending other peoples money) is used as a basis to justify or rationalize their own dilatory conduct or lifestyle.
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CU Guru [1209]
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The issue with NIL is its broken.
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And if they’re going to be professionals then they need binding contacts and salary caps for each school.
Maybe you’re a little confused?
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Clemson Conqueror [11608]
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Capitalism is not right wing
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It’s what most Americans on both sides of the aisle support.
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Asst Coach [885]
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Re: I notice a strong correlation between those whose oppose NIL
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Feb 2, 2024, 8:37 AM
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I oppose it—-then start a semi pro league like baseball—
If you want an education go to college and play—have no issue with a stipend increase for athletes but these figures now is pathetic
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Clemson Conqueror [11608]
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PS (and I shoulda taken my own advice) dont feed the troll
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A brief tour of this users posting history shows me he’s only here to start arguments and rub people the wrong way
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Paw Master [16273]
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Re: I notice a strong correlation between those whose oppose NIL
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Feb 2, 2024, 8:41 AM
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I have noticed a strong correlation between those who support NIL and those who want to spend someone else's money. That seems a leftest mode of operation to me.
I have never noticed much support for capitalism coming from left wing politicians or their supporters.
Many of us are in favor of college athletes being able to earn money based on their own personal NIL by money generated by the marketplace for their NIL in lieu of begging for more money from season ticket holders who have willingly supported Clemson sports for decades.
I support Clemson athletics. I strongly support the manner in which Coach Swinney is operating our football program. I strongly support the strong efforts of Clemson to assure Clemson athletes come to Clemson and earn a degree from Clemson while they are playing sports. I suspect those degrees earned will be worth a lot more money to the graduates than will be produced by the NIL of a very great majority of the athletes who play sports on behalf of Clemson University.
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Athletic Dir [1169]
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So you agree with NIL but not in its current format, if I understand
Feb 2, 2024, 8:51 AM
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you correctly?
“Many of us are in favor of college athletes being able to earn money based on their own personal NIL by money generated by the marketplace for their NIL in lieu of begging for more money from season ticket holders who have willingly supported Clemson sports for decades.”
Because today, the collectives, are largely fundraising from boosters and season ticket holders asking for money for better players. So you want regulations as far as what NIL truly is, essentially outlawing booster collectives from entering into agreements to secure talent. I agree.
I also think we’ll get to a place where the athletes are employees of Clemson, schools, but that’ll take a while longer.
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Clemson Icon [26933]
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I'm a free market capitalist to the nth degree.
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I was a member of the world champion Junior Achievement company when I was in high school. I'm all for people being able to profit off their name, image, likeness, talent, education, whatever.
But, there needs to be some rules and regulations.
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Top TigerNet [29082]
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Re: I notice a strong correlation between those whose oppose NIL
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The same reason politician's family members arent supposed to make money of their relatives NIL. It breeds corruption at the highest levels of whichever organization they represent.
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Gridiron Giant [15646]
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Re: I notice a strong correlation between those whose oppose NIL
Feb 2, 2024, 9:07 AM
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They haven't earned it. Make the athletes employees and let the institution decide the pay for performance or send them down the road.
I have a plan to fix it but it will cost you to find out.
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Rock Defender [56]
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Re: I notice a strong correlation between those whose oppose NIL
Feb 3, 2024, 12:52 PM
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If you make the athletes employees, they would be able and allowed to unionize and bargain collectively for contracts. Unionization would likely sap the profits out of the system and at that point, why would the schools even be interested?
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Gridiron Giant [15955]
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This argument is so boring. No one objects to these players making money
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off of their name. Go ahead. Many of us object to them leveraging the football program to do so. None of these players' names have an ounce of value if they don't play for a college football team.
This is not a right wing/left wing discussion. Clemson University (or, I guess, the NCAA) is more than in the right to offer an opportunity to play a sport, attend their school, get a full ride, etc., in exchange for limiting their external revenue sources. It is an absurd argument to say anything to the contrary. No one here who works for any company of significance has the right to leverage their employment in that company for personal gain. My company significantly limits additional employment outside of the company. And I'm still free to do any side-hustle I want...just not while being associated with my company.
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Game Changer [1936]
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Great point.
The college kids are acting like adults now. The poster child for the way that (in my opinion) many adults feel about NIL is Mickey Plyler. You can listen to him and tell that he just wants to say “I’m really mad that these 17 and 18 year old kids are making a whole lot more money than me”
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Asst Coach [867]
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Re: I notice a strong correlation between those whose oppose NIL
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Feb 2, 2024, 9:18 AM
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I'm right of conservative. I don't mind NIL in the least. I'm intrigued as to how scholarships, free housing, nutrition plans etc are awarded. Not enough NIL for everyone in college sports and I think scholarships are beneficial to studious athletes who will never see the pros. Also, don't confuse NIL with free market. Schools are forbidden from having anything to do with NIL, hence collectives. Also, in the real world Bubba's House of Used Tires would be able to force Jonny TE to stay inside the local media market for the duration of an ad campaign or forfeit all money. NILs can't be currently used to keep an athlete at a school. They get paid even if they leave after a year.
NIL isn't free market.
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Athletic Dir [1169]
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One place youre wrong is that its free market in that NILs can structure
Feb 2, 2024, 9:59 AM
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their deals how you say, but they’re in competition for players - or just don’t care - so they aren’t negotiating for that or have no leverage to get it done. It’s not like they can’t write enforceable contracts like that, it just isn’t currently being done.
The power dynamic just hasn’t settled for a long term view of how it’d work out under current rules (or lack thereof).
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CU Medallion [19704]
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Conservatives vs Progressives
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Feb 2, 2024, 9:25 AM
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Progressives push and often embrace change - often brand new change.
Conservatives are often resistant, suspicious of change - unless it is change to roll back to earlier norms.
I put forth this oversimplification as an 80s kid raised under Reagan who is now considered a neocon because Haley > Trump 
At its core this is something new and different and upsets long established norms.
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Valley Legend [12904]
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NIL combined with the transfer portal have ruined college football. ESPN and
Feb 2, 2024, 9:50 AM
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FOX have had a hand in it as well.
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Tiger Spirit [9968]
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Re: I notice a strong correlation between those whose oppose NIL
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Feb 2, 2024, 9:59 AM
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the thing you (perhaps intentionally) missed is need for fair competition between schools. The NFL uses a reverse draft order, salary cap, rules for free agency including compensation in some cases and a lower SOS for teams who did poorly the previous season. CFB has none of these guard rails to level the playing field. While most fans would not mind players earning money off their NIL, it cant simply be a pay for play where only a handful of rich teams can compete. If that is allowed, it will destroy CFB just like Nascar did to their sport.
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Recruit [-100]
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Perhaps the right-wing mindset
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Feb 2, 2024, 10:11 AM
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...is aware that injecting money into anything, creates corruption through power exchanges, and that it's a no-win situation.
Perhaps the "left-wing" mindset is "f**k everyone and everything, Imma get mine".
Perhaps.
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Solid Orange [1386]
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Re: I notice a strong correlation between those whose oppose NIL
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Feb 2, 2024, 10:13 AM
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For me, I do not like NIL because it goes beyond NIL into product endorsements. Initially, I thought it was an amateur kid getting some of the money from school jersey sales. No one has a problem with that. The problem most of us that take issue with is we see the difference between amateur and professional sports. College football is about getting a college education and not to be a semi-pro league to prep a handful for the NFL. NIL as applied only favors a select few that have notoriety which in my opinion is destructive to the very core of what college football is about and that is team. So you end up with one kid making $1,000,000 for playing qb in college football while perhaps his entire OL makes zero. That "superstar qb isn't gonna be very successful without his unpaid offense line. It destructive to team, and destructive to the long-standing culture of college football.
So it's not capitalism, it's crony capitalism. If I have to explain the difference to you then you must be walking through life with blinders on. Aside from that, capitalism is just a term invented by Karl Marx for eveyone who disagrees with Karl Marx.
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Recruit [79]
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Re: I notice a strong correlation between those whose oppose NIL
Feb 2, 2024, 11:26 AM
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As I posted yesterday money and corruption always create problems. Supreme Court has spoken and the NCAA is worthless. The criminals are running the "justice" system for now. Just let it run wild until it fixes itself or collapses under its own bloated weight.
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Game Day Hero [4431]
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Re: I notice a strong correlation between those whose oppose NIL
Feb 2, 2024, 11:30 AM
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Because it’s not used the way it was intended. Anyone who had a brain said, prior to NIL opening up, that it would turn into pay for play and a recruiting tool. We also said that you wouldn’t be able to regulate it.
It’s not suppose to be a recruiting tool. Kids absolutely should be able to go out and make a name for themselves and make money off their NIL, but they shouldn’t be noticed to play for certain teams with money.
Also if we are actually going to go full professional and pay for play then college football would have to create a draft process just like the NFL. Is that feasible? No. So the only way to do it is to eliminate free transfers.
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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I respectfully disagree.
Feb 2, 2024, 2:55 PM
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Lots of political conservatives support NIL as part of a free market.
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110%er [5684]
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I notice a strong correlation between you and being a coot***
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Gridiron Giant [15772]
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NIL is capitalism. Come back when you arent dumb.***
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Rival Killer [3030]
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Ill bet youre a joy to be around.***
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Team Captain [469]
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Re: I notice a strong correlation between those whose oppose NIL
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Feb 2, 2024, 6:38 PM
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You let the free market reign long enough in this environment and fan interest will wane and the money will dry up.
The sport needs a commissioner who cares about ncaa football not what’s best for his her conference, his team, the individual player. Goodell and the players both realize if they screw everything up nobody will watch nfl football. Same can happen in college football if people aren’t careful.
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Orange Blooded [2119]
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Re: I notice a strong correlation between those whose oppose NIL
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Feb 2, 2024, 11:01 PM
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That’s dancing around what we actually have.
There’s no issue with NIL in its “purity”. Make all the cash you want with your “Ship Happens” shirts, autograph sessions, advertising due to the number of followers, video game likeness, etc.
These cash cow collectives have nothing to do with Name, Image, Likeness.
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Orange Beast [6410]
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Re: I notice a strong correlation between those whose oppose NIL
Feb 2, 2024, 11:08 PM
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Anyone that opposes the best economic plan that that exists, is too ignorant for me to waste any length of time.
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Game Changer [1950]
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Re: I notice a strong correlation between those whose oppose NIL
Feb 2, 2024, 11:09 PM
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what gives you that impression?
They should be able to do that..
It's the combination of NIL and Portal that leads to the insanity...
A school spends how much on a student athlete? and what does the student give back to the school? If the amount of overall capitalization per student is $100,000 what amount of that is due back to the school? Where is the value added...No school, no sports, no value... it's entertainment on one side, which generates revenue... on the other side a person gets a quality education,room,board,tutoring (if required), life counseling, a stipend, money for their families to come to games, comped tickets for their families and friends... the student sitting next to the star player gets none of the above...
That is without tampering... you are a great athlete, we know the school you are at provided everything you needed to get where you are;at their expense, but we have more to offer... now that they sunk in the development time and money, we would like to buy you outright...
That about sums the mess up...
Just make them pros, don't even worry about school, if they want to attend fine if not fine... if they attend they can pay like everyone else, if not they can negotiate the compensation packages...
just make it the CFL... College Football League
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All-Conference [421]
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Re: I notice a strong correlation between those whose oppose NIL
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Feb 3, 2024, 7:17 AM
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And right wing political views including capitalism.
This seems very contradictory and borderline hypocritical.
What gives?
Why should an adult in America not be able to make money off of his/her own name?
Do you mean where a student athlete is able to accept benefits well in excess of $200,000 and receive football welfare at his whim while taking the money and running without any obligation? Do you mean rampant abuses of the rules as they stand now? Is that what you mean by making money off of his or her name? The system now is completely broken. This will only lead to one result if it stays in its current form…The end of parity of college football and the beginning of the same four teams being in the semifinals every year. This will lead to a decrease in football fan interest, and an implosion of college athletics as a whole As college football athletics are tied to title nine.
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All-In [11066]
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I don't think most of us oppose NIL, but the way it is currently being used
Feb 3, 2024, 7:58 AM
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by many schools, to blatantly steal players from other schools. NIL is fine, but it must be regulated in some way!
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Rival Killer [2896]
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Actually what I detect is that
Feb 3, 2024, 8:08 AM
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you have a problem with capitalists, conservatives, "right-wingers", deplorables, etc. and just wanted to attach a generic attack on them.
Name a true conservative who is opposed to NIL because it's "capitalistic." You have to do better than just to find someone who, say, voted for Trump and is also opposed to NIL, because he could be opposed to it for a variety of reasons.
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Ultimate Tiger [37853]
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Re: I notice a strong correlation between those whose oppose NIL
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Feb 3, 2024, 8:37 AM
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They should be able to do what your last sentence states.
Is that what you feel is going on? Why is it so hard for libs to see the big picture. NIL would be fantastic if used in the manner it was intended… it is not. Slush funds at colleges buying said players. NIL is a front for tampering.
If you believe capitalism is so bad move on over to Venezuela. They currently have lots of real estate available. There people are trying to escape socialism( which has never worked) to gain entrance into a capitalist nation. Dems fighting like #### to take us down the same path with their ever growing government and have #### the bed on anything they have tried to run.
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Game Changer [1638]
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Re: I notice a strong correlation between those whose oppose NIL
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Feb 3, 2024, 8:53 AM
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This waa a stroke of deviant genius. You create a politically divisive thread woven into a sports related question place it on the football board, make only two (non-substantive) comments in further support and the mods are good with it. That is masterful!
Now, enlighten please us with a clear definition of amateur.
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Athletic Dir [1122]
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Re: I notice a strong correlation between those whose oppose NIL
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Feb 3, 2024, 9:17 AM
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I mean 18 year olds were freely entering in to a contract with colleges for an exchange of value, you play a sport…and you get something not even all of the top students get. All your school, housing, training etc paid for. Not to mention tutors, trainers, etc on staff specifically to help you succeed.
What we essentially said is that this is meaningless. Well tell that to the college sports that aren’t fully funded and don’t even offer full scholarships. We have people who serve in the military because they can’t afford college.
If you’re a student athlete on scholarship from low income family you got the Pell grant, which is paid out in cash if your scholarship has covered all expenses, as most do.
So NIL is the beginning of the end of college sports. It’s minor leagues now. The government will collect more tax revenue now.
Do you think they will keep the fans as a minor league team?
I for one am interested in my alma mater’s teams, not minor league teams.
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Orange Blooded [2200]
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Re: I notice a strong correlation between those whose oppose NIL
Feb 3, 2024, 9:46 AM
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funny, I see a LOT of correlations in various data points, but a lot of them, we're just supposed to pretend we don't see them. Weird, huh?
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Clemson Sports Icon [56264]
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Re: I notice a strong correlation between those whose oppose NIL
Feb 3, 2024, 12:22 PM
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Then pay your own way. Get rid of the free rides.
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Orange Blooded [2278]
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"right wing political views including capitalism"
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Feb 3, 2024, 1:33 PM
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Smh, it's really sad that simply supporting a free-market economy has become a "right wing political view."
For most of American history, capitalism has been seen as an essential national value, an indispensable aspect of our freedom. That's not to say that it hasn't had plenty of problems over the years or that it shouldn't have any safeguards. But this modern idea that the entire system is bad and should be dispensed with in favor of socialism is just appalling. People in the West have lost sight of the benefits of capitalism that they take for granted. It's also easy to romanticize about socialism through rose-colored glasses when you don't actually live under it and haven't experienced the negative effects that come with it in reality.
I for one agree that athletes should be able to partake in NIL. I think what people get tired of is this narrative being pushed by moralists that these college athletes are victims who are being exploited; acting like their full scholarships, world-class facilities, and all the other bells and whistles they are given access to don't have any meaning in this equation.
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110%er [3761]
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Because it's an amateur sport
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Feb 3, 2024, 2:38 PM
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It's as simple as that. And college football was not set up for this. Look at the chaos now it's causing. Because it used to be players played for pride and love of the game. Now it's because of how much they get paid. Plus it's very unfair way of paying them. The QB can bring in millions, yet the OL blocking for him brings in zip. He worked just as hard.
Nil was supposed to be between the players and their sponsors. The school and coaches have nothing to do with it. Or so that's what they preached when they were pushing NIL. Now it's here, coaches need to stay on top of it or lose their jobs. Wait I thought coaches had nothing to do with this.
The main reason...and I do mean THE MAIN REASON I have been opposed to this from day one is because I knew it would effect recruiting. "Noooooo! Don't be silly. This has nothing to do with recruiting...your just being paranoid" they said. How'd that work out? Now it's the rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer. And if you think Clemson has the pockets to compete with Alabama, Texas, Texas A&M and other big time schools, think again.
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Orange Blooded [2446]
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Re: I notice a strong correlation between those whose oppose NIL
Feb 3, 2024, 11:54 PM
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A. They get compensated whether they produce or not
B. They do not shoulder any of the burden of expense
C. College is about education.
D. They are getting paid. They received a full ride to college. The education is far superior to nil in, what, 97% of students' futures?
E. Most colleges' football programs lose money. Now they have to provide more services in order to try and remain relevant. That's not money going to nil, it's money going to pay people and facilities, or whatever else, in order to garner those nil funds.
F. Re establishes the idea that these children feel entitled to benefits that are not deserved.
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