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Golf question for casual golfers
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Golf question for casual golfers

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Feb 24, 2023, 7:54 AM

Was playing a friendly round of golf at a pretty nice club this week. When we finished, I noticed my partner claimed his score was about five strokes less than mine. But he had had two holes where he picked up the bowl because he was lat stroke10, and I only actually had two triple bogies. He told me he doesn't write down anything higher than a triple bogey, because it's an outlier. , anybody else ever played this way or heard of this?

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I haven't. What you score is what you score. If I'm at

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Feb 24, 2023, 7:57 AM

ten and I'm still putting, I'm not picking up until the ball is in the hole. I don't even play inside the leather or give me's unless you are right at the hole.

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Re: I haven't. What you score is what you score. If I'm at

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Feb 24, 2023, 8:12 AM

Triple bogey max saves time and prevents holding up groups behind yours. Imagine all 4 of you making triple on same hole. The next group is fuming. Unless you're playing for 100 bucks a hole or in a competition, just move on.

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If someone is playing faster than I am, I normally let them


Feb 24, 2023, 9:47 AM

play through.




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Re: I haven't. What you score is what you score. If I'm at

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Feb 24, 2023, 9:28 AM [ in reply to I haven't. What you score is what you score. If I'm at ]

I "Tin Cupped" a par 5 a couple of years ago. I was betting a buddy that I could get across the water in 2. Tried to go over the water from about 230 yards out, and I put 4 balls in the water before I finally got one on the green. Ended up with a 12 on the hole. The hole ain't over until the ball drops in the cup.

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it's an outlier

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Feb 24, 2023, 8:07 AM

maybe he is an "out liar"



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USGA Handicap

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Feb 24, 2023, 8:11 AM

Record no score higher than net triple bogey. Equitable stroke control. Keeps handicaps from getting out of whack. Of course, during tournament play, you play until the ball is holed and that score is recorded as a tournament round.

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Re: USGA Handicap

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Feb 24, 2023, 9:06 AM

This makes sense, he acted like I should know this

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Re: Golf question for casual golfers

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Feb 24, 2023, 8:12 AM

Always write down your actual score but he is correct in the world of USGA handicap. When computing your handicap there is a cutoff on score so that folks won’t abuse it the other way, meaning keeping a higher handicap than they really are in order to hustle in some club tournaments.

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Re: Golf question for casual golfers

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Feb 24, 2023, 8:12 AM

It’s not uncommon in friendly play to pick up your ball after triple bogey (some will do double par). It’s actually the courteous thing to do to avoid holding up pace of play for your group and/or those that may be waiting behind you. It can be extremely aggravating to get stuck behind a struggling golfer or group of golfers that insists on putting out through 10 strokes. That said, if he’s picking up on three holes (17% of the course) that doesn’t seem like an ‘outlier’ event and I’d put a big asterisk on his claim to winning the round.

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Re: Golf question for casual golfers

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Feb 24, 2023, 9:32 AM

Bingo!!! The guy had to struggle to break 100.

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Sometimes...

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Feb 24, 2023, 8:15 AM

especially if you are playing with high handicappers, it is not uncommon to agree in advance that once a player is +3 on any given hole, they simply pick-up their ball and record the 6, 7, or snowman on the scorecard. However, these are things that should be discussed and agreed upon prior to the start of the round.

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Re: Sometimes...

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Feb 24, 2023, 9:08 AM

Yeah, he made a mention of this, I've been playing since I was 10 years old, so I don't normally get higher than the triple. When I played for money in college, you counted every stroke, no matter what

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Re: Sometimes...

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Feb 24, 2023, 9:09 AM

No mention

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Dude doesn’t know what outlier means

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Feb 24, 2023, 8:15 AM

If he had 10 on two different holes I’m guessing he was 3 over par on several others. At any rate it’s irrelevant, unless you agree that you’re playing with handicaps, golf isn’t scored on the curve.

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Re: Dude doesn’t know what outlier means

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Feb 24, 2023, 9:18 AM

No, he's actually a good golfer, just had a couple water balls that blew up the score on 2 holes

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Re: Golf question for casual golfers

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Feb 24, 2023, 8:16 AM

I've heard of that for sure but if yall are actually competing against each other then no way. You should never pick the ball up without finishing the hole imo.

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He may have been BSing you, or he may have been referring

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Feb 24, 2023, 8:18 AM

to the highest score he could record "for handicap purposes". Ye Olde Royal and Ancient Golf Club of St. Andrews says that for handicap purposes, the highest score that can be recorded is par plus two strokes, PLUS the players handicap strokes on the hole.

Example: You are a 20 handicapper, playing a tough par 3 that is rated the 2nd hardest hole on your course. (I use this because it happened to me once in a tournament.) You would be allotted two handicap strokes on this hole, meaning that the highest score you could record for handicap would be 3+2-2 = 7. That is actually a QUADRUPLE bogey, but because you were getting two strokes on the difficult hole, it would not be considered an outlier.

My experience in one of our club tournaments was the opposite. I was shooting in the high 80's many years ago, starting out in golf, and had a 20 handicap. (Our course was rated 68.5 for 18 holes.) I hit a 5 wood onto the green, and sunk a bending 30 foot putt for a birdie, Net ZERO on the hole. It was a two man partner member-member, my partner was thrilled, our opposition, not so much.

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Re: Golf question for casual golfers

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Feb 24, 2023, 9:13 AM

One reason why my buddy and I always played a match. If someone blows up a hole, concede pick up and move on. No reason to card a 15 on one hole in a match. Plus, in a match, it's perfectly legal to concede a hole at any point, and the overall score doesn't matter.

For handicap purposes, there is a thing called Equitable Stroke Control. If you're a casual golfer and do not maintain a handicap, then this does not apply (but your group may play as if it does, so go with it).

For handicap purposes, the maximum hole score for each player will be limited to a Net Double Bogey. So if the hole is a par 5, and you get two strokes, then you should enter your score into the computer as if you had an upper limit of 9 on the hole.

It works the other way around too. If your opponent concedes, you should enter (for handicap purposes) the score you likely would have made. So say you lie 6 with a 2-foot putt left, your opponent is sitting at 8 and concedes. You should write down 7 for handicap purposes. But if your drive clears the water and lands just off the green on some par 3, and you opponent hit 3 into the water and concedes, you should not write down 2; you should write down your expected gross score (so 4 if you get one stroke on the par 3 hole).

But how you really keep score should be done appropriately for whatever you're playing for. Like I said, for a match, you win or lose a hole, strokes don't really matter after the hole is won. You can write down your per-hole score based on the ESC limit to make it easier later.

If you're playing by yourself or with other people against whom you are *not* competing, again, you should (for pace of play and everyone's sanity) pick up and stop at the ESC limit, and write that down for the hole.

If you're playing some sort of friendly stroke play wager, figure out what the rule is going to be before you start. Most groups I've been in let it slide at some point, because pace-of-play and once you've already lost, why pile on the humiliation. Also, a lot of friendly wager games are strucuted so that one blown-up hole doesn't even matter, e.g., a better-ball Nassau where your 13 one a hole would be meaningless to anyone but you once your partner made a 5--and if your partner's in with a 5 and you're sitting at 7 already why keep wasting everyone's time?

Of course, in any *actual* stroke play competition, keep counting until you hole out.

Chances are that unless you're playing in an actual competition or with a very unforgiving group of gamblers, a lot of people with handicaps who understand ESC will pick up and move on.

Technically, they should keep playing until they hole out, write down the 13 (for a total of, say 106), then adjust it to a 7 (or whatever) for ESC purposes before they enter the round into the handicap computer (as ESC adjusted score of 100). But again, that's a waste of everyone's time on the course.

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Re: Golf question for casual golfers

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Feb 24, 2023, 10:40 AM

Wow, I learned a lot from your post

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Feb 24, 2023, 10:48 AM [ in reply to Re: Golf question for casual golfers ]

It may or may not matter much for this discussion, but the rules for ESC were different in the USA before 2020. After 2020, the USA migrated from the old USGA system to the World Golf Handicap system, which uses the net double-bogey limits.

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Re: Golf question for casual golfers


Feb 24, 2023, 11:49 AM

Good points all around. Bottom line, just make sure you and golfing partners are playing by the same standards. As long as you’re not holding up play, you can all enjoy a long walk (or ride) ruined 😉.

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Re: Golf question for casual golfers


Feb 24, 2023, 12:45 PM

yes-it's called cheating

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