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Legend [6658]
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I have no respect for the NCAA to have let college
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Jan 17, 2025, 9:15 PM
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sports get into such a mess. I’m
Looking for a federal bill similar to title 9 to correct the inequalities and create a level playing field once again for college sports. Trump and Tommy Turbeville is our only hope. No other organization has the leverage or power as the NCAA is toothless.
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Solid Orange [1319]
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Don't hold your breath.***
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TigerNet Elite [76072]
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Re: I have no respect for the NCAA to have let college
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Jan 18, 2025, 6:38 AM
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And don't blame Trump when not much gets done.
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Standout [214]
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Re: I have no respect for the NCAA to have let college
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Jan 18, 2025, 6:43 AM
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Yes the NCAA is terrible but they have no power to stop this so why would you lose respect for them? How about lose respect for all the schools and coaches who have taken it this far? Once schools, conferences, and coaches began to take so much money this became inevitable.
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Asst Coach [890]
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Re: I have no respect for the NCAA to have let college
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Jan 18, 2025, 6:52 AM
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What you are wanting is something that goes against the grain of a lot of our core values as Americans.
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Solid Orange [1319]
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Are you agreeing our core values are capitalism and a free(ish) market or
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Jan 18, 2025, 8:21 AM
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are you saying our core values are enjoying watching college football where the coaches and schools maybe tens of millions and the players get an education in return?
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Asst Coach [890]
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Re: Are you agreeing our core values are capitalism and a free(ish) market or
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Jan 18, 2025, 9:17 AM
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Capitalism and free market
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Varsity [103]
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The scholly isn't close to fair market value
Jan 18, 2025, 12:31 PM
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...epecially for FB and MBB.
"Nowhere else in America can businesses get away with agreeing not to pay their workers a fair market rate on the theory that their product is defined by not paying their workers a fair market rate
Under ordinary principles of antitrust law, it is not evident why college sports should be any different."
"The NCAA is not above the law."
SCOTUS Justice Brett Kavanaugh
Concurring opinion
NCAA vs Alston
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Clemson Icon [26542]
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Do you know the current 'minimum wage' in the USA?
Jan 18, 2025, 1:12 PM
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You wanna guess how much $$$ the corporations and companies are worth and how much there CEO's and executives get paid???
Explain why it's 'common practice' for regular businesses but different for colleges....
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Solid Orange [1319]
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Minimum wage being in place is the exact opposite of having an artificial
Jan 19, 2025, 8:18 AM
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ceiling/cap on wages.
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Varsity [103]
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CU Guru [1537]
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Re: I have no respect for the NCAA to have let college
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Jan 18, 2025, 9:01 AM
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This is an absolutely stupid argument. Nothing the other poster said goes against free market snd capitalism.
The underlying problem in all of this us that the schools and networks are trying to run an extracurricular activity for students as a business.
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Varsity [103]
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It absolutely a business.
Jan 18, 2025, 12:33 PM
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You don't really think that Dabo gets north of $11 million annually for an extracurricular activity that's somehow magically is not a business, do you?
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CU Guru [1537]
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Re: It absolutely a business.
Jan 18, 2025, 2:36 PM
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You obviously didn't understand my post.
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Varsity [103]
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Wrong. I understand it.
Jan 19, 2025, 9:15 AM
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I disagree and I refuted it.
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Oculus Spirit [43315]
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Re: I have no respect for the NCAA to have let college
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Jan 18, 2025, 7:18 AM
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At this point the NFL is the only model option.
Watching more NFL now than I ever had and I believe the reason being is just the thought of salary caps and all things being equal in what teams are allowed to spend. The GM in that sport is vital as any on the team imo seeing a few bad decisions can cost your team a few good years with poor decisions.
This crap going on now has no caps or contracts. Kids being at 3 plus schools in their playing days. I do understand the need to share the money but there has got to be a better way of doing business than this. I honestly have no respect, and it’s on me and don’t expect any one else to feel the way I do, with a team like Ohio State. I feel they knew they purchased a championship in the off season. Honestly believe everyone knew it. If Day cannot get it done with this purchased roster then he may never get it done. Is this method currently above the table? Yes it’s all legal, but less than 10 teams imo can compete in the way it’s being done now. Sure there may be only 5 teams that could legitimately win the SB but the overall sample size is much smaller than the number of college teams vying for a national championship.
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Top TigerNet [29241]
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I agree. It is the law of inevitable consequences.
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Jan 18, 2025, 7:33 AM
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Life is a series of decisions, based on priorities, that lead to consequences.
Priority: Make as much money for our institution through intercollegiate sports.
Decision: Do everything possible to ensure that college is the only path from high school to the NFL and NBA.
Consequences: Where we are today. The universities are now living the consequences of their decisions.
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Orange Elite [5138]
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Re: I agree. It is the law of inevitable consequences.
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Jan 18, 2025, 8:43 AM
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"Decision: Do everything possible to ensure that college is the only path from high school to the NFL and NBA.
The NBA and NFL did that in cahoots with the respective Player's unions. There's nothing the NCAA does to create that situation, except to provide what is certainly the best proving grounds.
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Tiger Titan [49770]
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I watch a lot more NFL now too, for the same reasons.
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If players are doing to be paid, I want to see the best. I want to watch the professionals who are doing this for a living and who are competing in a structure with salary caps and rules about when and how players can change teams.
College football has the appeal of watching players who share a connection and devotion to my school. That is eroding more and more.
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Varsity [103]
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I have no respect for the NCAA either...but...
Jan 19, 2025, 9:19 AM
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...your claim is a false dilemma. NFL style is not the only option.
Another option is to let the free market adjust and self correct.
Yet another option is for the P4 to leave the NCAA, form their own governing body, and conveyor with a system that is fair and equitable without violating antitrust law.
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Top TigerNet [29241]
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Remember, when you say "NCAA" you really mean...
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Jan 18, 2025, 7:29 AM
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...."the presidents of the universities who make up the NCAA."
The NCAA isn't forcing the universities to comply with their rules. The university presidents are the ones who tell the NCAA what the rules are.
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Associate AD [1053]
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Jan 18, 2025, 7:38 AM
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Traveling, hunting, fishing w my family.,… I’m not contributing to 18-20 year olds driving lambos around town w no school loyalty. This whole thing is absurd. Go Tigers!
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Orange Elite [5138]
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Re: I have no respect for the NCAA to have let college
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Jan 18, 2025, 8:40 AM
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Blame courts, including the Supreme Court, for largely applying employment law to people who are not employees.
This could all be solved by Congress passing a law saying something to the effect of
"Organizations governing amateur sports and amateur sporting events may define and enforce all rules, eligibility criteria, and administrative procedures thereof. No amateur athlete participating in contests or practices will be considered an employee of any governing organization or any member team; and any stipends, scholarships, travel payments, prizes, and similar remuneration that might be paid will not create an employment relationship. Umbrella organizations with multiple member teams or member representative organizations may also coordinate scheduling of contests, administration of tournaments, negotiation for media rights, and other action related to the normal course of governing rules, eligibility criteria and of administering and conducting sports and sporting events without these actions being considered a restraint of trade or commerce."
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Solid Orange [1329]
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Jan 18, 2025, 8:58 AM
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Not the courts...trial and activist lawyers who want to destroy...be honest...who is going to pay millions of $ to watch a bunch of shrieking Women run around and hit each other with sticks...not saying women should not play sports...football pays for the rest and always has...the only way it will be fixed is when universities drop everything but intramural sports...which is how college sports got started...then nobody gets paid and we all will miss the pretty chearleaders!
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Varsity [103]
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That's how you get college athlete unions...
Jan 18, 2025, 10:01 AM
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collective bargaining, and strikes.
The athletes can shut down the money train then negotiate pushback on the rules you want, in the unlikely event Congress would pass anything like that.
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Solid Orange [1319]
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Amateur college sports is a sham where somehow we're supposed to be ok
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Jan 18, 2025, 12:47 PM
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with the athletes being 'amateur' and not allowed to monetize their position while everything else surrounding it is purely professional.
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Varsity [103]
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Jan 18, 2025, 12:51 PM
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"Nowhere else in America can businesses get away with agreeing not to pay their workers a fair market rate on the theory that their product is defined by not paying their workers a fair market rate
Under ordinary principles of antitrust law, it is not evident why college sports should be any different."
"The NCAA is not above the law."
SCOTUS Justice Brett Kavanaugh
Concurring opinion
NCAA vs Alston
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Solid Orange [1320]
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Turberville's players chop blocked, just like Trump's administration***
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Jan 18, 2025, 9:46 AM
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Ultimate Tiger [33281]
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it wasn't the NCAA . It was the schools which were driven by the fans
Jan 18, 2025, 10:41 AM
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blame yourself
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [101219]
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I've found throught the years that when government fixes a problem...
Jan 18, 2025, 4:51 PM
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it only complicates it and the public in general suffer. I'm a trump fan too but getting the federal government involved in issue is a mistake.
Let the AD's and BOT's suss this out.
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Varsity [103]
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The NCAA didn't "let" it happen.
Jan 19, 2025, 9:20 AM
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They were dragged kicking and screaming into numerous courts, where they lost every case related to their illegal sports model.
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