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Orange Blooded [2320]
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Lot of empty seats in Blacksburg.
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Gotta wonder if Mike Young survives.
Not had a great experience with the portal. It’s hard.
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Re: Lot of empty seats in Blacksburg.
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Feb 18, 2025, 9:35 PM
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Aren’t they all empty tonight? Watching VT at BC on my TV
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Orange Blooded [2320]
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Re: Lot of empty seats in Blacksburg.
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Feb 18, 2025, 9:40 PM
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End zones are totally devoid of fans. It is a Tuesday, oh, and basketball.
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A lot of people here said he is a better coach than Brownell.
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Feb 18, 2025, 10:06 PM
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LOL!
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Re: A lot of people here said he is a better coach than Brownell.
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Feb 18, 2025, 10:09 PM
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LOL!
I'm not saying he is better than Brad Brownell but he was solid coach until NIL money for basketball was taken away. Won an ACCT Championship.
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Orange Blooded [2320]
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Re: A lot of people here said he is a better coach than Brownell.
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Feb 18, 2025, 10:19 PM
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He is a good coach, the portal has caught up with him. Maybe Brad could use an assistant.
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Re: A lot of people here said he is a better coach than Brownell.
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Feb 18, 2025, 11:05 PM
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Let's not pretend that if nearly the entire starting five transferred out, the prevailing sentiment wouldn’t be that there's a culture problem under Brownell.
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Your silence is noted.***
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Re: Lot of empty seats in Blacksburg.
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Feb 18, 2025, 10:07 PM
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BC, VT, FSU and even Syracuse surprising don't have much NIL money for basketball.
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Orange Blooded [2320]
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Re: Lot of empty seats in Blacksburg.
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Feb 18, 2025, 10:22 PM
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Sounds like a personal problem. Sad, all good schools, some with basketball support available. Hate it for them, we would have been there in the past.
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Wasn't that a name a lot of us were saying should replace CBB?***
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Feb 18, 2025, 10:37 PM
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Yes! LOL!***
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I guess the seats are empty in Blacksburg
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Feb 18, 2025, 10:42 PM
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Because the game is in Boston
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Re: I guess the seats are empty in Blacksburg
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Feb 18, 2025, 10:53 PM
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Thanks for the correction, Va
tech still looks lost and BC needs some fans. Can’t blame them.
Only 36 points? Mike young is done.
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Re: I guess the seats are empty in Blacksburg
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Feb 19, 2025, 6:37 AM
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Why would he be done? 2 NCAA tourneys, a final AP Top 25 ranking, and an ACC championship. Things that took the greatest coach in the history of Clemson basketball 8 years, 8 years, and tbd to accomplish. He’s still 2 years ahead of schedule. VT has a 9.92 SRS over those 6 years. Clemson has a 9.62 SRS over Brownell’s first 6 years. You guys all spotted the potential from day one right? Why shouldn’t ADs everywhere be looking to mimic the formula that has brought such resounding success?
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JK is not going to like this!***
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Orange Blooded [2320]
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Re: I guess the seats are empty in Blacksburg
Feb 19, 2025, 9:16 AM
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Young is currently sitting on a 2.98 SRS (pretty bad) season to date. This is a "what have you done for me lately" business and he has not adapted to the Portal environment.
I like Mike Young. He hasn't quit on his team. Lawall was a great pickup this year. Given his track record, can he keep him in Blacksburg? I'm sure other programs have noticed, so I doubt it.
He may be safe and reap the benefits of the Hokies not caring about basketball. We'll see.
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Re: I guess the seats are empty in Blacksburg
Feb 19, 2025, 2:17 PM
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If it’s a “what have you done for me lately” business then how did Brad survive 6 straight seasons without an NCAA appearance with a team that had been 4 straight? Be consistent. VT holds no advantages over Clemson in recruiting, location, budget, or facilities and have not at any point in Brad’s tenure. Was Brad the beneficiary of “not caring” about basketball at Clemson?
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Orange Blooded [2320]
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Re: I guess the seats are empty in Blacksburg
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Feb 19, 2025, 2:39 PM
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Are we talking Mike Young or continuing your unhealthy obsession with JK and BB's first six years, or now is it years 2 thru 7? I told you last year that your beef should be with the admin. If the admin missed their opportunity, they look like experts as of recent.
If Young finishes at <3 SRS do you think they should keep him? I personally feel they might part ways. All in all, it doesn't matter to me outside of just another team holding back our conference strength with a coach that can't manage the landscape.
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Re: I guess the seats are empty in Blacksburg
Feb 19, 2025, 2:56 PM
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Are we talking Mike Young or continuing your unhealthy obsession with JK and BB's first six years, or now is it years 2 thru 7? I told you last year that your beef should be with the admin. If the admin missed their opportunity, they look like experts as of recent.
If Young finishes at <3 SRS do you think they should keep him? I personally feel they might part ways. All in all, it doesn't matter to me outside of just another team holding back our conference strength with a coach that can't manage the landscape.
if they fire him who are they going to hire that will put up with their current NIL budget? They will have to promise any decent coach more $NIL. Now I could Coach Young retiring.
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Orange Blooded [2320]
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Re: I guess the seats are empty in Blacksburg
Feb 19, 2025, 3:31 PM
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I'm sure there are any number of folks that would sign up for a 3M dollar paycheck. Thats like 1M dollars per SRS point. Agreed, he might retire. Lost his whole team to the portal last year. Gotta be exhausting.
I think we only paid about $200K per SRS point in 2013 (Brad's worst SRS season). Which is a little more than we're paying today.
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Paw Master [16178]
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Re: I guess the seats are empty in Blacksburg
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Feb 19, 2025, 3:43 PM
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yes, true. Clemson's NIL collective now is in the top 3rd of the ACC even for Basketball. I heard Terrence Oglesby mention that before. and other fan sites from some of other ACC teams. It is very good, and stuff that Judge wants those to believe that Coach Brownell is doing this with all smoke and mirrors is very misleading. When you outbid teams like Providence for Viktor Lakhin and Iowa and Oklahoma for Jayden Zachery you are doing well. Good thing to know...
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Paw Master [17686]
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Re: I guess the seats are empty in Blacksburg
Feb 20, 2025, 10:14 AM
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It’s also indicative of what I have been arguing for nearly a decade on here. Clemson’s status in the college sports world is fundamentally changed since we last hired a basketball coach. Old arguments about being unwilling or unable to compete are obsolete. This is thanks in no small part to Dabo’s success, which JK and his acolytes love to tear down. They’re trying to take a victory lap when none of the rationals for keeping Brad were really true.
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Re: I guess the seats are empty in Blacksburg
Feb 19, 2025, 2:59 PM
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If it’s a “what have you done for me lately” business then how did Brad survive 6 straight seasons without an NCAA appearance with a team that had been 4 straight? Be consistent. VT holds no advantages over Clemson in recruiting, location, budget, or facilities and have not at any point in Brad’s tenure. Was Brad the beneficiary of “not caring” about basketball at Clemson?
Previous post have indicated Va Tech doesn't have much NIL for basketball. So therefore they don't have more budget.
Now, I agree with you on the Judge mixing his words to try to win arguments.
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Re: I guess the seats are empty in Blacksburg
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Feb 19, 2025, 10:15 PM
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That was exactly my point. VT doesn’t nor has ever had an edge over Clemson in basketball.
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Re: I guess the seats are empty in Blacksburg
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Feb 19, 2025, 10:21 PM
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I mention them because they are not, nor have been, an advantage for VT. So if we’re gonna take pot shots at VT (see JK post above) I think it’s fair to ask why we should have kept Brownell in an extremely similar situation. Judge Keller was insisting Brad Brownell (who is 4-5 against Mike Young) was the best choice for Clemson basketball in year 6. He supposedly lacked an investment from the University and the exact same can be said for Young. Hypcorites, bad actors, or stupid: those are pretty much the explanations for those kind of comments.
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Orange Blooded [2320]
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Re: I guess the seats are empty in Blacksburg
Feb 19, 2025, 11:18 PM
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JK Gaslights you again. Predictable.
Young is still behind the sticks. Way behind. 2.98 SRS, who has that bad a stat?
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Paw Master [17686]
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Feb 20, 2025, 8:08 AM
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Yet a better overall SRS at this point in his career. And are you Clemson Mountaineers too? Does he need your help? Talk about living rent free. Are you sleepless if you don’t respond to my every post?
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Re: I guess the seats are empty in Blacksburg
Feb 20, 2025, 9:08 AM
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Why does my posting frequency matter? Once again, you challenged one of my comments and tried to deflect to CBB (BDS most likely). You started this barrage, as usual.
I have no other IDs on here. I know that is you're best retort when losing an argument.
Brownell has never has an SRS less than 3. Mike Young is no longer fit to coach in the present environment unless VT just wants to allow for bad basketball. In his defense, he does have a few games left and will probably make the conference tourney. Besides, he's dragging the league down and that hurts us, right?
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Re: I guess the seats are empty in Blacksburg
Feb 20, 2025, 10:25 AM
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Because you can’t stay on topic in the myriad threads you’re already. It’s called stalking and it is violation of TOS but only one of us complains to mods. You’re cherry picking data (easily offest) to serve your needs. Why does a single year’s SRS matter more than the average. You do know that only means that in that time frame Young also has an SRS much higher than any Brad had, RIGHT!?!. Cue the duck meme. As usual you are an unserious advocate here purely to troll. JFC - Young has an ACC title. I know Clemson has the dubious distinction of not having one ever but that should make it all the more insulting and #### about the guy that has one. Brad’s been coaching in this league 9 years longer. Stop taking victory laps before the season is even over.
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Re: I guess the seats are empty in Blacksburg
Feb 20, 2025, 11:05 AM
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You're right the season is not over and maybe you can find happiness when Clemson flops. Its kinda sad, but typical for you. You attack my posts, but it does always seem to coincide with some Judge K comments. Obsess much?
I personally was making a comment about Mike Young and you immediately started defending him by comparing his SRS average to CBB's. I guess you do feel he should be fired since their stats are very similar (1st 6 years) outside of the dismal year that MY is having, oh, and the conference championship several years back. I like Mike, but I do feel he is done. VT (VaTech, not VizTiz) deserves better and so does this conference.
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Re: I guess the seats are empty in Blacksburg
Feb 20, 2025, 11:03 PM
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“ Only 36 points? Mike young is done.”
“ Why would he be done? 2 NCAA tourneys, a final AP Top 25 ranking, and an ACC championship. Things that took the greatest coach in the history of Clemson basketball 8 years, 8 years, and tbd to accomplish. He’s still 2 years ahead of schedule. VT has a 9.92 SRS over those 6 years. Clemson has a 9.62 SRS over Brownell’s first 6 years. You guys all spotted the potential from day one right? Why shouldn’t ADs everywhere be looking to mimic the formula that has brought such resounding success?”
My reply was completely on point and devoid of any personal attacks. It’s a reasonable question. Why does one, lesser, data set presage a long term investment that won’t yield fruit for another 6 years the other is “lolz, people thought he has a good coach. He’s cooked”. If they fire him what does it say about the respective programs and expectations. No one knew in 2016 that all the rules governing college basketball would be rearranged. If Brownell’s recent success is sustainable it’s still dumb luck that the rules changed in such a way that he would have a knack for exploiting. Further, it’s more likely that Clemson is simply a much more visible, desirable destination and these easier transfer rules make that easier to exploit. Something that would benefit any coach sitting in the chair.
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We are winning consistently now...I don't understand you people who still
Feb 19, 2025, 4:41 PM
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cling to the "we should have fired him years ago" defense when he has clearly established a winning program and a great culture...It's almost like y'all can't admit you were wrong about him being successful if given more time huh?
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Re: Lot of empty seats in Blacksburg.
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VT scored just 36.
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Re: Lot of empty seats in Blacksburg.
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Feb 19, 2025, 6:18 AM
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Maybe Young was not using the portal to protect his culture and team chemistry?
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Thats right, he must be the only ethical coach left
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Feb 19, 2025, 10:19 PM
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while everyone else cheats and buys their teams.
Poor guy, such a martyr!
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Re: Thats right, he must be the only ethical coach left
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Don’t you spend a lot of time arguing that the ACC is a much better conference than critics argue? What does it say that you’re mocking a team that is tied for 11th in this 18 team conference. Which is it? VT is a pitiful joke or the ACC is a tough conference. Can’t really be both.
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Re: Thats right, he must be the only ethical coach left
Feb 19, 2025, 10:58 PM
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Wasn’t this post originally about MikeYoung?
A million $$s an SRS point. Not a great investment.
But you already know this.
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Paw Master [17686]
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Re: Thats right, he must be the only ethical coach left
Feb 20, 2025, 8:04 AM
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Do you understand how threads work? Or did you get your login confused again?
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Re: Thats right, he must be the only ethical coach left
Feb 20, 2025, 8:11 AM
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1M $ Iin salary per SRS point. Would you continue with that sort of investment?
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Re: Thats right, he must be the only ethical coach left
Feb 20, 2025, 11:06 PM
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Gonna cost them $4 million to get out of it. And cost them another $2.5 - $3.0 to replace him with anyone with any kind of track record. It’s also kind of moot point, since I’m not one who argued we should have given Brownell raises and extensions for NIT appearances.
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