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I don't recall if this has been discussed, but Greg Swaim...
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Aug 20, 2024, 9:06 AM
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(with whom many on this forum are familiar) is a long-time college football radio host, and he has speculated on the eventual formation of a 32-team college football super conference. Theoretically, this would include the nations top 32 teams. Of course, there is a significant element of subjectivity since any such list would be subject to change on a routine basis. That said, the list of teams he includes/excludes is very interesting.
According Greg Swaim, the SEC will have just one exclusion from a proposed 32-team super conference: Vanderbilt. Any 32-tean super conference that includes the Coots doesn't sound like much of a super-conference to me. There is NO WAY they are one of the top 32-teams in the nation. Even in a 64-team super conference, they'd be one of the last 16 to get in IMO.
The Big Ten would lose six schools: Indiana, Maryland, Illinois, Purdue, Rutgers, and Northwestern.
Syracuse, Duke, Wake Forest, Boston College, Stanford, Cal, and SMU would be the cut ACC schools.
ASU, TCU, Baylor, Houston, and Cincinnati would be the Big 12 teams left behind.
Thoughts?
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Terrible for the game. Had they come up with this idea in the 90's Clemson
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Aug 20, 2024, 9:16 AM
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might not have made the cut.
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Re: I don't recall if this has been discussed, but Greg Swaim...
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Aug 20, 2024, 9:34 AM
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I think we all see where college football is headed. Different numbers have been thrown out there, but this is the first I've heard of only 32. If it is only 32 teams it would be a perfect way to install a relegation and promotion process. Bottom 4 of the 32 drop a level, top 4 from everyone else gets promoted.
Top 32 - I'm basing on recent success, let's say the last 10 years or so. Power 5 or major independents
List includes best winning percentage (since 2015) of teams from power 5 and major independents (teamrankings.com)
1. Alabama
2. Ohio St
3. Clemson
4. Georgia
5. Oklahoma
6. Michigan
7. Notre Dame
8. LSU
9. Washington
10. Penn St
11. Iowa
12. Oklahoma St
13. Wisconsin
14. Oregon
15. Utah
16. USC
17. Texas A&M
18. FSU
19. NC State
20. Florida
21. Miami
22. Texas
23. Minnesota
24. Washington St
25. Kansas St
26. Ole Miss
27. Tennessee
28. Kentucky
29. West Virginia
30. Pitt
31. Auburn
32. Michigan St.
Next 32
SMU
Miss St
Louisville
UNC
Wake
VA Tech
Stanford
Missouri
Northwestern
Baylor
Iowa St
UCLA
Duke
Texas Tech
Cal
Boston College
South Florida
South Carolina
Maryland
Virgina
Indiana
Purdue
Syracuse
Arkansas
GA Tech
Nebraska
Arizona
Colorado
Oregon St
Illinois
Vanderbilt
Rutgers
I wouldn't mind it. Problem with any super league is how does it impact the other 100 or so programs? Does the interest die?
Edit: I may have missed a few teams that recently moved to the big 12.
Message was edited by: ecsguru®
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think you need to filter that list vs TV ratings
Aug 20, 2024, 1:55 PM
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Wake could have a top 32 win percentage but nobody wants to see the Deacs play
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Based on all-time win/loss records, Wake ranks around 125th nationally...
Aug 20, 2024, 2:32 PM
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Teams like App State, James Madison, and Georgia Southern all rank higher than Wake. Even if you weed-out all of the mid-majors and non-P4 teams, Wake would still be well short of the top 32.
Here are the top 32:
Michigan
Ohio State
Alabama
Notre Dame
Oklahoma
Boise State
Texas
USC
Penn State
Nebraska
Florida State
Tennessee
Georgia
LSU
Miami (FL)
Florida
Auburn
Clemson
Washington
Texas A&M
Virginia Tech
Arizona State
Michigan State
Utah
West Virginia
Wisconsin
UCLA
Georgia Tech
BYU
Oregon
Arkansas
Pittsburgh
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Re: Based on all-time win/loss records, Wake ranks around 125th nationally...
Aug 20, 2024, 2:57 PM
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Thanks for the research but not really my point -- Wake was a bad example on my part. Point being, winning percentage is a less meaningful metric than viewership. Nebraska isn't in that top 32 but they are top 20ish for viewership since 2014. The Huskers are not getting left out of the mix.
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Re: I don't recall if this has been discussed, but Greg Swaim...
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Aug 20, 2024, 9:37 AM
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That works if you want NFL-lite.
But I think the downsides (kicking teams/entire regions to the curb) would damage the overall product long term. That might already have been done to be honest, but I don't know that a 32 team super league will recapture the charm of the regionality that attracted a lot of us to college ball in the first place.
*shrugs*
I could be wrong but I'm bear-ish on the future of college ball.
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Since I am familiar with Swaim I don't give his theories enough credence to
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Aug 20, 2024, 9:39 AM
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Have any thoughts about them
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This is the way***
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Re: I don't recall if this has been discussed, but Greg Swaim...
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Aug 20, 2024, 10:00 AM
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Sounds like a college football version of The Rapture.
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Re: I don't recall if this has been discussed, but Greg Swaim...
Aug 20, 2024, 10:50 AM
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Well, the once mighty Pac-12 is now the Pac-2 ..
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Re: I don't recall if this has been discussed, but Greg Swaim...
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Aug 20, 2024, 11:19 AM
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There will LOTs of lawsuits if any of that happens. I feel this is the beginning of the death of college football. Unless there are massive changes to NIL and Transfer portal.
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1) He's an idiot. 2) If he's right then good luck with all the lawsuits from
Aug 20, 2024, 11:26 AM
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schools currently in those conferences. Not nearly enough money to buy all those out of their contractual rights.
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I do agree...
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Aug 20, 2024, 12:22 PM
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that the resulting litigation would be considerable, not only from what remains of the conferences but also from the teams that were omitted.
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Re: I don't recall if this has been discussed, but Greg Swaim...
Aug 20, 2024, 11:34 AM
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I've always thought 64 was the magic number. 4 16-team leagues split into 8-team divisions. Play each division opponent and then fill in from the other division or outside if that.
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Re: I don't recall if this has been discussed, but Greg Swaim...
Aug 20, 2024, 12:51 PM
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soap box but Penn State should never be able to field a football team.
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Familiar enough to know not to believe a word he types...has he ever been
Aug 20, 2024, 1:39 PM
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right about anything?
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Re: I don't recall if this has been discussed, but Greg Swaim...
Aug 20, 2024, 1:52 PM
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Well. Stanford doesn’t make sense. They own more combined (all sports) national championships than just about any other school. If recent performance is the gauge, maybe they deserve the hammer. However, NCAA has 90 championships yearly and while foot ball and basketball are the most lucrative, many other sports also bring in big money.
I hope it never happens. Espn already has a monopoly on college football. They own espn and Fox. Meaning they control the SEC and B1G. Funny thing is that neither the SEC or B1G are top ten in combined national championships. Not even close. The PAC 12 were the royalty. It’s all about believing the narrative ESecPN is spoon feeding you. I do t believe the sec and B1G are the premier leagues. Even football championships show the ACC ahead of the B1G. However, espn never deals in facts. It’s subjective narrative that the sec is a god and everyone else isn’t. Not buying the kool-aid.
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Re: I don't recall if this has been discussed, but Greg Swaim...
Aug 20, 2024, 1:58 PM
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Disney doesn't own Fox sports or the Big10
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Re: I don't recall if this has been discussed, but Greg Swaim...
Aug 20, 2024, 2:00 PM
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Would be awesome if they had a 32-team league with relegation to second division for bottom 5-6 teams.
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So, divided up between professional and semi-professional***
Aug 20, 2024, 2:07 PM
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UCF = Out...Stanford = In***
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The ACC would be wise to initiate this type of set-up within.
Aug 23, 2024, 6:53 PM
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Division back up with a high echelon and lower echelon mix in that sport and keep the rest more local. We could lead the way, but instead it's a reactionary flail. Missed opportunities abound.
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