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TNET: Tommy Bowden warns Clemson fans about being critical of Dabo Swinney
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Re: TNET: Tommy Bowden warns Clemson fans about being critical of Dabo Swinney
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If Dabo's competitive fire is gone and he's not willing to adapt to football in the 2020s, then keeping him around is like USC hiring Lou Holtz in the twilight of his career.
I'm not calling for his head, but this is how college football is done. "What have you done for me lately?"
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Re: TNET: Tommy Bowden warns Clemson fans about being critical of Dabo Swinney
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I think you might be a little hasty in assuming we will be able to replace Dabo that easily!
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Re: TNET: Tommy Bowden warns Clemson fans about being critical of Dabo Swinney
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I agree with Tommy.
No Coach is better for Clemson than Dabo!
Go Tigers….
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How many of those programs were a fixture in the playoffs recently?
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How many of those programs have top 10 recruiting classes?
How many of those programs have invested what we have in their program?
How many of those programs pay their coach 8 figures a year to coach football?
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Dabo continues to be the best value in college football,
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even over these past three seasons where we've only won one ACC championship and played in only one NY6 game.
We barely squeak in as a Top 25 program budget overall and the worst we've finished in the rankings since 2010 was this past season's #20. Rough start and transition with a new starting QB and OC ahead of what is now the nation's 3rd longest winning streak. Nobody hits above their weight better than Dabo and that's as true today as it's been the past 15 years. Is it epic, history-making since 2021? Not quite, though we did just extend our CFB record for consecutive seasons with a post-season win to 14, and counting.
Suck it, troll.
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Re: How many of those programs were a fixture in the playoffs recently?
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He’s (Keller) a chicken fan trying to stir the pot. Plain and simple.
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It has ZERO to do with competitive fire - and everything to do with principle
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It's not about adaptation, it's about what he sees as best for the young men that he is entrusted with.
I've been critical, no doubt. But if you doubt his competitive fire, and his wanting to win, you are mistaken. He's not willing to compromise for money.
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Re: TNET: Tommy Bowden warns Clemson fans about being critical of Dabo Swinney
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What he has done for us lately is won 7 or 8 ACC championships that I know isn't much to brag about playing in the ACC.
He has taken his teams I think it was 6 straight playoff games losing to Bama in NCG in 2015.
He then takes us back to playoffs slaughtering OSU and handing Urban Myer his 1st ever shut out. Then he beats Bama in NCG in 2016.
He then takes us back to the playoffs where we got whipped pretty good by Bama in 1st round of the playoffs in 2017.
He then takes us back to the playoffs where we beat Notre Dame pretty bad, then we go to our 3d NCG where we again beat Bama 44–16 in an undefeated season, the first team in the playoff series to go undefeated, and some talking heads were that Clemson was the greatest FB of all time in 2018, and what a time it was to be a Clemson Tiger!!!
He then takes us back to the playoffs against OSU and again beating them in the playoff. We then went to the NCG for the 4th time in playoff history where we got beat by LSU in the NCG, and ending our 29-game winning streak in 2019.
Dabo again takes us to the playoffs for 6th time where OSU finally got a win against us after 3 tries in the playoffs in 2020
In 2021 is when our playoff streak ended, but we did have a 10–3 season that ended with a 20–13 victory over Iowa State in the Cheez-It Bowl in 2021
Our 2022 season gave Clemson 12 consecutive seasons with at least ten wins and joining Bobby Bowden and Nick Saban as the only coaches to accomplish the feat.
2023 season was our worse season since 2010 when we were 6-6 tegular season, and 6-7 with our bowl game. What has Dabo done for FB program lately, IMO he has taken our FB program to it best winning history since our very first collegiate FB game on October 31, 1896!!!
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Re: TNET: Tommy Bowden warns Clemson fans about being critical of Dabo Swinney
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It’s been a wild and fun ride. Let’s do it again!
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Re: TNET: Tommy Bowden warns Clemson fans about being critical of Dabo Swinney
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Amen Brother!
Go Tigers, Whoop JawJa!
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Re: TNET: Tommy Bowden warns Clemson fans about being critical of Dabo Swinney
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Well, that was just an insightful convo from a mediocre coach. LOL. Ol' Tommy trying to stay relevant somehow.
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Re: TNET: Tommy Bowden warns Clemson fans about being critical of Dabo Swinney
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Jul 5, 2024, 10:33 PM
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That was my first thoughts as well. A former stubborn coach that got an HC job on the coattails of a successful dad.
He has no advice to offer me.
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Re: TNET: Tommy Bowden warns Clemson fans about being critical of Dabo Swinney
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Tommy ran a real good program. A good man!
He was a good coach, with good assistants !
Terrible game day coach, unlike his Dad!
He brought Dabo to Clemson, just like Charlie Pell brought us Danny Ford! Nuff said….
Go Tigers!
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Re: TNET: Tommy Bowden warns Clemson fans about being critical of Dabo Swinney
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I agree with a lot of what you said. I think Tommy Bowden is a great man. Came from a great family. He did great things for Clemson but he was an awful head coach.
I do respect the thought of him recommending Dabo as the interim head coach on his way out.
I thank God he is gone and would prefer that he not come back to visit or offer advice in any capacity!
Things are fine without his presence or his jibber jabber!
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Re: TNET: Tommy Bowden warns Clemson fans about being critical of Dabo Swinney
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Jul 5, 2024, 6:58 PM
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Simmer down, Tommy.
You can't have your old job back.
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Re: TNET: Tommy Bowden warns Clemson fans about being critical of Dabo Swinney
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He's part right and part wrong.
There's a group of people who get on social media and message boards (including Tnet) that POSE AS CLEMSON FANS and constantly try to stir up discord because they're afraid of Clemson with Dabo at the helm. They may fool some but most Clemson people have the common sense to know what they're trying to do.
I believe CDS knows this too, after all he's been here for a pretty long time and has been under attack often by certain "media persons", etc.
Dabo loves the position of leadership that he has to help influence and mold high school kids into mature, responsible and honorable young men. As long as he is not constrained from doing this by ridiculous changes to college football, I believe he will continue to follow his calling.
But, as he has said, if the NCAA's dereliction to preserve amateur athletics turns CFB into a mini-pro league I could definitely see him finding another avenue to fulfill what he believes in his heart is God's purpose for his life.
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Re: TNET: Tommy Bowden warns Clemson fans about being critical of Dabo Swinney
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Jul 5, 2024, 7:17 PM
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Speaking only for myself….. I don’t need Bowdens input in anything. I didn’t like him the first time I was introduced to him and I still don’t’.
Go Dabo!
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Naw Forest.....
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You spoke for me too....the LAST person I want to get advice from abt coaching is TB..no offense to the man
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Re: TNET: Tommy Bowden warns Clemson fans about being critical of Dabo Swinney
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He has nothing to offer that I'm interested in. Talk about a "coach" who acted like it wasn't his responsibility to lead the team and charge up the troops, it was TB. I just hate we gave him the big raise when he pouted. We should have shown him the door sooner and hired Dabo then.
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Re: TNET: Tommy Bowden warns Clemson fans about being critical of Dabo Swinney
Jul 6, 2024, 9:29 PM
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Without Tommy, there is no Dabo at Clemson.
Tommy could hire Some very talented assistants.
He rarely fired the bad ones……
I wish him well…. Elsewhere…..
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Re: TNET: Tommy Bowden warns Clemson fans about being critical of Dabo Swinney
Jul 6, 2024, 4:26 PM
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Yeah TB didn’t raise the bar so to speak and didn’t have our teams compete for ACC Championships on a regular basis or even the Natty.
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Re: TNET: Tommy Bowden warns Clemson fans about being critical of Dabo Swinney
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I agree with what he said. Better than I could have said it. Does Dabo love football? Yes. Is the main reason bc he develop boys into men? It,could be. Dabo loves God and follows His plan. If/when Dabo leaves, I doubt seriously it will,be bc people are fussing at him.
Go Dabo and Go Tigers!
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I hope Dabo is our coach for a long time.
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But if Dabo leaves, for whatever reason, we are in a great position to hire an excellent coach to replace him.
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Tommy Bowden
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Word salad stating the obvious. This is Dabo time to figure out how to handle the changing landscape of college football.
We will see in the next five years what he gets done. He’s earned the time.
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Well, hes already several years into this new landscape.
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It isn’t going very well for him so far.
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Re: Well, hes already several years into this new landscape.
Jul 6, 2024, 8:12 AM
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The best is yet to come!
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This is the same troll that was so upset that we turned things around so
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well in 2022, missing the Final 4 by one game and winning the ACC Championship, that the only thing she could troll with from there was Dabo's sideburns.
She's a cancer through and through.
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Re: This is the same troll that was so upset that we turned things around so
Jul 8, 2024, 12:47 PM
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JK, is the type of fan that eats at the program form within, Innuendo,
and poorly covered jabs at Dabo. Fans like that can take a program down from
within, if we listen to their BS.
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When true revival hit America much will change
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When people go back to putting God first our priorities change.
I don’t believe college football will be nearly as important as it is now.
Not sure what that looks like but so much in our life is about to change.
Go Tigers! Trust Our Absolutely Good God!❤️
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Oh no
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Here come the crazies.
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Re: Oh no
Jul 5, 2024, 10:20 PM
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Do you mean there's more like you on the way?
"Oh no" for sure!
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Re: Oh no
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No, he means YOU, dummy. Go thump your Bible somewhere else.
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Re: TNET: Tommy Bowden warns Clemson fans about being critical of Dabo Swinney
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Amazing how people critcicize Bowden. He took a bad program and made it relative. He also set in motion the facilities upgrades. No doubt it was time for him to go but his leadership is a big part of where Clemson is today. Dabo cannot be replaced like some of you think. If Dabo leaves Clemson will not be a playoff team for many years. Dabo is bigger than Clemson whether you like it or not.
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Re: TNET: Tommy Bowden warns Clemson fans about being critical of Dabo Swinney
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I don’t like to hear so much criticism of Tommy either. If you were around in the late 90’s, you remember the dismal state of our football program. TB came in and turned things around pretty quickly. He had vision for the program. I sat in his office as he showed me the plans for our new facilities in the early 2000’s, so he definitely got the ball rolling there. We walked outside for him to show me where it would go. He said it would propel our program forward. Of course, Dabo tweaked them and made them even better.
He won some big games for us. He went 4-5 in Bowden Bowls after we had gone nearly a decade without beating them. He destroyed Tennessee in the Peach Bowl (I guess they didn’t want to be there, and we made them wish they weren’t). Don’t forget that he went 7-2 against our rival during the Holtz and Spurrier years (Lou only beat us once iirc). And he was the coach in my favorite Clemson game of all time when we mauled them 63-17 (okay, one of my favorites).
He never had a losing season at Clemson, and he took us to 8 bowl games, winning 3. It would have been 9 straight, but chickens will do what chickens do.
Tommy’s downfall was inexplicable losses to weak teams as we all know. He might beat a top 5 FSU one week, then lose to bottom dwelling Duke or Wake Forest the next. I never understood why that happened, and more than once at that. Because of that, he could never get us over the hump. But he took us to the edge.
So some criticism is justified, but don’t forget the steps he took to get us to the level he did. His groundwork set the stage for the years to follow. And despite how he came off looking in press conferences, sometimes showing a fiery demeanor, he was really a nice and friendly guy.
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Re: TNET: Tommy Bowden warns Clemson fans about being critical of Dabo Swinney
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We fired Tammy after a 9-3 season? I thought he got fired because his teams were losing to Wake Forest and Duke and failing to make the ACCCG,
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Re: TNET: Tommy Bowden warns Clemson fans about being critical of Dabo Swinney
Jul 6, 2024, 7:58 AM
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2007 we went 9-3 lost to Auburn in the bowl game. 2008 Bowden lost opener to Bama then won 3 before losing to Maryland and Wake. Dabo took over and lost to Ga Tech, beat BC, lost to FSU, beat Duke, UVA, SC. Dabo got the job and lost to Nebraska in the bowl game.
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Re: TNET: Tommy Bowden warns Clemson fans about being critical of Dabo Swinney
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Unfortunately, his teams were often highly regarded with great expectations but opened up with poor records like 2-3 before going on to win 6 or 7 in a row to end with decent, though not great, records. The last straw was the blow out loss to a poor WF team in 2008 we were expected to beat handily. Enter Dabo Swinney.
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Dabo could make a tradition of him taking a dump on the PAW, and then having everyone run down the hill and stepping in his poop.
And I'd totally be fine.
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Re: TNET: Tommy Bowden warns Clemson fans about being critical of Dabo Swinney
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He's not wrong. We have the best man in our country to lead our program. The criticism , entitlement and expectations of some folks on this board is beyond me. It has been nice to see some more realistic tigers on this board say enough. I feel for people who are so critical and probably never played the game or coached when I see some of the posts. I read them to my 63yo wife and she's like really. Why do u read tigernet?🤣 serious! I trust the process. Who is gonna have a better impact on this program than Dabo in our lifetime? Yeh I see issues, but that's not my job. It's his. I treat cancer as my calling. Dabo has his calling. We are #### lucky to have him. Cheers!
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Re: TNET: Tommy Bowden warns Clemson fans about being critical of Dabo Swinney
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You have a wife that listens to you reading from Tigernet? Wait, you have a wife that listens to you?
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Re: TNET: Tommy Bowden warns Clemson fans about being critical of Dabo Swinney
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Tnet Thread
All these schools are tampering with the portal and buying a team
Next Tnet Thread
We need to tamper and buy a team
I'm behind Dabo 100%. As was pointed out, compare our down years lately vs our true down years.
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Re: TNET: Tommy Bowden warns Clemson fans about being critical of Dabo Swinney
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Tommy was a good, not great coach. He was a consistent 8 - 9 game / yr winner here, which was a lot better than what we had. Could he get over the hump & win the big one? Nope, it's why he's gone. But he got facility upgrades started & brought in Dabo. 2 big reasons we're winning now obviously. So trash the guy if u want, but it's pretty misguided. And he's correct, if college football gets completely out of hand from a money standpoint, where it's # 1, Dabo will walk.
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Re: TNET: Tommy Bowden warns Clemson fans about being critical of Dabo Swinney
Jul 6, 2024, 7:14 PM
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I agree. Without Tommy, there’s no Brad Scott. If there’s no Brad Scott, there’s no Jeff Scott. Without Tommy, there’s no Dabo Swinney. And if there’s no Dabo Swinney, we’d probably have that God awful Rob Spence a few more years. Instead of national championships & conference championships, we would probably be a middle of the pack ACC school.
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Re: TNET: Tommy Bowden warns Clemson fans about being critical of Dabo Swinney
Jul 5, 2024, 11:01 PM
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And the comment section is exactly what he was speaking too. Smh
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Re: TNET: Tommy Bowden warns Clemson fans about being critical of Dabo Swinney
Jul 5, 2024, 11:51 PM
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Remind me again how many head coaching jobs ole Tommy has had since he mutually agreed to step down? He wasn’t head coach material when we hired him either.
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oh boy...
Jul 5, 2024, 11:07 PM
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Well, this isn't the news update I expected to see on tnet today! I grabbed my popcorn and came straight to the comments section lol, I bet this one's gonna be good!
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They have a short leash
Jul 5, 2024, 11:31 PM
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Get the freak outta of here. Good grief. Whenever I sorta of start to remember the Bowden years in a not so negative light and I start to be glad what he did for us he always goes and opens his stupid mouth and reminds me why I can’t stand him at all.
Tommy, you had plenty of time here to change the trajectory of our program. YOU were a bad coach that couldn’t get the job done!
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Re: TNET: Tommy Bowden warns Clemson fans about being critical of Dabo Swinney
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Jul 5, 2024, 11:53 PM
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Amen! If Clemson never reaches the playoffs again (and I am convinced they will), Dabo Swinney is the greatest coach we have ever had and we are extremely fortunate to have him. He wins, and he does it the right way. If Dabo goes somewhere else, even to the Cookies, I will cheer for him because he is what college football needs right now. He brings integrity to a game that seeks to prostitute itself into being NFL-lite.
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I sure hope he doesnt go to the cookies***
Jul 6, 2024, 8:15 AM
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Re: TNET: Tommy Bowden warns Clemson fans about being critical of Dabo Swinney
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Jul 6, 2024, 8:10 AM
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I want to win national championships like any Clemson fan wants to, but the portal changes everything. For example, FSU was stinking it up because Clemson could out-recruit them before the portal, but now, FSU can out-portal Clemson and now they are favored to win the ACC. Dabo wants to continue the path to a National Championship by recruiting and bringing these young men along. Agree with it or disagree with it, this will create ‘down seasons’ while other programs are getting ‘one year wonders’ every season.
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Re: Personally, I think
Jul 6, 2024, 7:02 PM
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Me too.
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Re: TNET: Tommy Bowden warns Clemson fans about being critical of Dabo Swinney
Jul 6, 2024, 9:42 AM
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times are different now. its nothing against Dabo and his philosophy because its worked… in the past. will it work now? i’m skeptical! Saban saw the writing on the wall and got out! teams like ohio state, georgia,oregon, michigan and others are flush with money. clemson can’t compete with that. i think clemson had their run but i don’t see a natty team there now
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We absolutely can compete with their money.
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Jul 6, 2024, 6:18 PM
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A lot of you seem to have a poverty mentality and like thinking of Clemson as a poor school that is blue collar and the antithesis to flashy schools with tons of money.
The reality is that we have spent more on facilities and coaches over the last decade than any of them, yet some of you think that we are a poor school that can’t pony up the money.
Our issue with NIL is that we have a head coach who has a problem with it, to the point that he has publicly criticized it and refuses to use it to its full extent to make our program better.
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Re: TNET: Tommy Bowden warns Clemson fans about being critical of Dabo Swinney
Jul 6, 2024, 9:42 AM
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times are different now. its nothing against Dabo and his philosophy because its worked… in the past. will it work now? i’m skeptical! Saban saw the writing on the wall and got out! teams like ohio state, georgia,oregon, michigan and others are flush with money. clemson can’t compete with that. i think clemson had their run but i don’t see a natty team there now
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Gaslighting! Tyler From Spartanburg is not a thing
Jul 6, 2024, 10:41 AM
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how does this we don't like Dabo thing keep perpetuating . i mean come on
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Re: TNET: Tommy Bowden warns Clemson fans about being critical of Dabo Swinney
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Jul 6, 2024, 11:05 AM
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lol, soliciting opinions about Clemson football from him is like asking Will Muschamp who should be the new head coach at South Carolina
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Re: TNET: Tommy Bowden warns Clemson fans about being critical of Dabo Swinney
Jul 6, 2024, 1:54 PM
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All it would take is a major media outlet to report Dabo is looking for a new program to coach and we would see how valuable he is. Every program would come out of the woodwork like roaches when the lights go out. Nuf sed
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Re: TNET: Tommy Bowden warns Clemson fans about being critical of Dabo Swinney
Jul 6, 2024, 2:17 PM
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Did not like Tommy Bowden has a head coach but wish he could be an anchor on the ACC network would be a #### of a lot better than what they have. At least Tommy has some charisma. the ones they have on there now are like watching paint dry dull as ####.
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Re: TNET: Tommy Bowden warns Clemson fans about being critical of Dabo Swinney
Jul 7, 2024, 4:51 PM
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E Mac, EJ, Taylor Tannabaum, and Kelsie Riggs are solid but yeah... the rest of them are boring. Mark Richt is painful to watch. Honestly though, I think the biggest issue with ACCN is ESPN just neglects it. It's like when a company buys another company just to dissolve it so their main flagship has less competition. It's also part of why the ESPN narrative right now is devaluing FSU and Clemson, and Finebaum says things like "noone is interested", it's so when we leave they want to lower the negotiation line down from where it should be. ESPN just treats the ACC like trash. That's a major reason I hope we go to the Big10, as much as I'd love the rivalries in the south, I just despise ESPN that much.
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Re: TNET: Tommy Bowden warns Clemson fans about being critical of Dabo Swinney
Jul 6, 2024, 6:47 PM
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Short leash? He had plenty of time to get something done and couldn't get it done because he was mediocre at best.
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Re: TNET: Tommy Bowden warns Clemson fans about being critical of Dabo Swinney
Jul 6, 2024, 6:47 PM
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Clemson needs Dabo more than Dabo needs Clemson.Theres that !
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Dabo won't quit due to fan criticism. Tommy got more criticism but didn't quit.***
Jul 8, 2024, 4:00 AM
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Re: Dabo won't quit due to fan criticism. Tommy got more criticism but didn't quit.***
Jul 8, 2024, 4:45 AM
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I sure hope not. We sure have some dumba$$e$ that call themselves Clemson fans. Entitled punks.
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Re: TNET: Tommy Bowden warns Clemson fans about being critical of Dabo Swinney
Jul 8, 2024, 1:29 PM
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Anytime I see the name "Tommy Bowden" I cringe. He maybe correct but I'll never know because I won't waste my time reading his opinion. I listened to his BS for years as Clemson coach. FAR too long.
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We are blessed to have Dabo and should be grateful***
Jul 9, 2024, 9:31 AM
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