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Rival Killer [3084]
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Same old story
Jul 12, 2020, 10:49 AM
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Blame Trump. That's all leftists know to do. If Trump had not shut down China, there is no telling how bad it would be.
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Re: Same old story
Jul 12, 2020, 11:12 AM
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Well there's the answer to the good discussion. Cobbox will have nothing to do with science, he prefers to yell leftist, socialist etc to defend the poor job of leadership on this subject. good news is 65-70% of citizens see the truth.
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Dynasty Maker [3239]
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Re: Same old story
Jul 12, 2020, 4:29 PM
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If Only there was a crystal ball to look into the future. Shame on Trump for not knowing then what we know now.
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CU Medallion [20979]
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Lack of this crystal ball is your defense of Trump...
Jul 12, 2020, 10:55 PM
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hahahahahahahahahaha. Good one.
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All-TigerNet [14751]
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Re: How about the mathematical science of economics.
Jul 12, 2020, 7:16 PM
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Sshhhhh doesn’t fit the narrative.
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Re: How good is locking it down twice for the economy
Jul 15, 2020, 8:13 AM
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The United States is the only country in the world going through a wave of second lockdowns.
The United States is also the only country with a national election this year.
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CU Guru [1260]
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How has he poorly led?
Jul 12, 2020, 7:20 PM
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This is a WORLDWIDE pandemic. Trump took actions by closing out entry from high risk China, well before the masses agreed with him. He closed down the economy when his advisory folks told him it was time. If he would've forced a shutdown in January or February based on flimsy and unknown facts, then the overwhelming majority of everyone (left, right, etc) would have said he was overreacting. Heck, Nancy Pelosi wanted to dance and party in Chinatown after Trump closed China, so please spare me that ANYONE supported closing down the economy in January or February. He has handled the pandemic as well as or better than any country in the world. The U.S. is among the lowest death rate group in the enitre world. We reacted just fine and when it was time to do so. The virus would NOT have been eradicated by shutting down the economy in January or February. Unbeknownst to anyone, it was already too late. Ask the world. Your partisan nonsense is firmly rejected.
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CU Medallion [20979]
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This is a gem....
Jul 12, 2020, 10:59 PM
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"He (Trump) has handled the pandemic as well as or better than any country in the world."
What numbers back up this argument? Just because an idiot says he is the "best" at everything doesn't make it true.
What leader of what country has he handled this better than? And please back it up with numbers and not your feelings.
I eagerly await your response.
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CU Guru [1260]
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i already mentioned the low death rate.
Jul 14, 2020, 11:32 PM
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Please let me know of a comparable world leader who shut everything down in January. It was already released all over the world, and certainly in a country like the U.S. where human incoming traffic is likely the highest in the world. You can't possibly look back in hindsight and tell me people would have been okay with shutting it all down in January or February. Do you remember the crowd who called him xenophobic just for closing out China in January? No one in the world (except China) knew what was already unleashed at that time. When his advisors told him to shut it down he did.
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Rival Killer [2957]
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Re: How has he poorly led?
Jul 12, 2020, 11:21 PM
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Speaker Pelosi was at the Asian New Year's celebration in her district on January 25. Trump shut down air travel from China on February 2. We also know now he did not share advanced warnings he had from the experts until later in February and early March.
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CU Guru [1535]
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Trump shut down China? What?
Jul 12, 2020, 11:16 AM
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Glad you really read that article carefully with an open mind and ready to learn.
You know, it's okay to support a political candidate and still say, "Yeah...that could've been handled better."
When you find the link confirming that Trump "shut down China," please share it. I promise I'll read it with an open mind.
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Team Captain [471]
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Re: Same old story
Jul 12, 2020, 12:53 PM
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Yes I did shut down China, but I should have done it earlier. My bad, I thought it was just a democrat hoax at least that's what Fox told me. It will just go away, the warm weather will kill it. It will just go away. I think Fauci made some mistakes, I didn't naturally. He's a good guy though but made some bad decisions, not as good as my decisions. I make the best decisions. I think that's why I have the best Tigernet ratings. There hasn't been rating this high on Tigernet ever, I think we set a record. Hey Mike, we set a recorded didn't we, highest ratings yet. Ok, I'll take another question from the lovely lady at OAN.
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Re: Same old story
Jul 12, 2020, 2:38 PM
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Yep. After Trump limited travel from China, it’s amazing to look back at comments from Pelosi, Deblasio, Fauci and others about the Covid. No worries. Go see a movie. Come on down to Chinatown. It’s lovely here. China dumped this on us and governors and mayors made it worse. Putting Covid positives into assisted care facilities about as stupid as it gets. Cuomo should have just had them shot. Would have been quicker.
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Re: Same old story
Jul 12, 2020, 2:58 PM
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Pelosi had a party in Chinatown.
Let’s not forget Cuomo and his brilliant handling of things in NY.
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So, that's what you do...
Jul 12, 2020, 3:34 PM
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point fingers back, instead of listening and learning? That's your take from this article (well, these democrats made mistakes too, so I can't listen to him).
This is one of the world's smartest men, with regards to virus, disease and pathology. Yet, it's about Left or right, or red or blue. SMH.
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Re: So, that's what you do...
Jul 12, 2020, 3:54 PM
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The OP wanted to play the blame game, why aren't you admonishing him for doing that? Or is it only one side that can take the blame?
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Orange Phenom [14544]
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Who else is there to point the finger
Jul 12, 2020, 4:21 PM
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at? Who is in the leadership position?
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110%er [8681]
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Re: Who else is there to point the finger
Jul 12, 2020, 4:43 PM
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De Blasio, Cuomo, Pelosi, Mcmaster, De Santis, Abbott, Schumer just to bame a few on both sides.
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Orange Phenom [14544]
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Re: Who else is there to point the finger
Jul 12, 2020, 7:11 PM
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So, Trump doesn't deserve criticism for ineptitude? Said differently, doesn't the (lack of) leadership start at the top?
Matter of fact it starts with him.
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CU Guru [1260]
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What ineptitude?
Jul 12, 2020, 10:42 PM
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Please describe it in your own words.
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Orange Phenom [14544]
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Absolutely.
Jul 12, 2020, 10:24 PM
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Theres more than enough criticism for both sides. Both sides have more than their share of people who care more about themselves than the people they were voted to represent.
The problem I see most inholding us back, is blind allegiance to one party, instead of the truth. ALL politicians, including the president should be held to the highest standards, regardless of their political affiliation.
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Tiger Titan [46613]
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Well said! I agree 100%***
Jul 13, 2020, 2:10 PM
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Re: So, that's what you do...
Jul 12, 2020, 4:09 PM
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Could have misinterpreted what he said in the article. It may just be me, but seems like he pointed his finger in one direction. He may be brilliant(sorry) for the pun. His read on the virus would have been much better if he would have left out his TDS.
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Re: So, that's what you do...
Jul 12, 2020, 7:17 PM
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The response wasn’t to the OP. Please try to follow the thread I’m not going to have a 2 hour back and forth untangling everything you don’t understand.
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CU Guru [1260]
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Yup. One can only hope a majority of Americans can
Jul 12, 2020, 10:27 PM
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see through the bogus talking points.
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Re: Same old story
Jul 12, 2020, 11:13 PM
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You morons wouldn't wear masks because your cult leader told you it wasn't a priority. It's on you idiots.
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Re: Same old story
Jul 15, 2020, 10:13 AM
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You morons wouldn't wear masks because your cult leader told you it wasn't a priority. It's on you idiots.
Man, you are really hung up on this mask thing. I'm not sure why YOU morons can't see that masks were and are never going to affect the spread of Rona. EVERYONE is going to get this virus at least once. There is going to be NO vaccination for said virus unless Fauci can get his hand in the cookie jar. I have the virus right now and I've been wearing a mask when I have to go out and haven't been going out unless necessary. There's not going to be any football this year and very possibly for some years to come unless the democrats when elected choose to turn a blind eye to this thing and get the media on some other topic. It just amazes me how some of you get so triggered over things that you have no control over.
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Orange Phenom [15045]
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Re: If you're pissed about possibly no football this fall....
Jul 12, 2020, 10:57 AM
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Agree with most of what he is saying. Don't agree with keeping churches closed. Ours is open and is taking some fairly significant measures to keep from spreading COVID.Based on my age, I watch the service on TV. Freedom of religion is a fundamental right. Agree that the UN was a good idea in theory, but in my opinion the UN has solved very little. The US having a very strong military and our alliances have done more to avoid a major war. However, if one is honest, I cannot see how one can disagree that the US response to COVID has not been nearly as successful as in some countries such as Japan, Taiwan and South Korea to name a few. They have tamped down the virus while keeping their economies moving forward.I wish it weren't so, but I think Trump has done a very poor job regarding COVID. If Clinton had been elected,I'm afraid we would still be tightly locked down.I am still glad she lost. The states have not been following the recommendations from the White House Task Force led by Mike Pence. Now here we are. Things are not going well. This is not a media conspiracy although I absolutely believe the media is very biased against Trump and will use any negative news to hurt him. On COVID, Trump has done plenty to hurt himself. Now we have the opportunity to elect a mentally diminished man with the full ear of very progressive people which is a misnomer. What a mess!
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CU Guru [1535]
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It's disappointing that our gov't has been
Jul 12, 2020, 11:12 AM
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so absent from the worldwide conversations. It's one to thing to hunker down and say, "We're America! We don't need no stinkin' foreign help!" But it's quite another to hunker down and do absolutely nothing.
The most comforting part is that he's still saying that there's always time to do better, and that due simply to the passage of months and the work of scientists, we're able to manage the effects of the virus better now. But I think we all have figured out there's no one in any significant leadership role in the country or this state who really is interested in doing better. That's become obvious.
Thanks for sharing this. I had read his previous interview with Wired, but I didn't know he had talked to them again.
I just hope that people who might be inclined to write this whole thing off as a political attack on Trump or who want to simply say, "It's not THAT many people" will read it and understand that the man speaking about the why the US has struggled so much to contain or minimize the virus knows a heck of a lot more about this than any of us.
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Orange Phenom [14544]
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Re: It's disappointing that our gov't has been
Jul 12, 2020, 3:41 PM
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Dang shame is what it is.
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Re: If you're pissed about possibly no football this fall....
Jul 12, 2020, 11:24 AM
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Trump did not shut down China. That’s typical fake news from Trump. This article doesn’t blame the virus on trump, but instead blames our country’s lack of leadership and lack of response on trump. Seems to me the article is right on target. Anybody that defends trumps leadership and management of this crisis is simply a blind forever trumper sheep. But fear not, those sheep have an opportunity to redeem themselves by participating in an IQ test on Tuesday, November 3, 2020.
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Re: If you're pissed about possibly no football this fall....
Jul 12, 2020, 12:09 PM
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Trump did not shut down China- he tried in a half-assed manner. He stopped Chinese from coming directly here from China, but Chinese in other countries were able to come and, the big mistake, Americans in China (and other foreigners) were allowed into this country without screening or isolation. The same with “shutting down Europe. Some of this was from general ignorance, not his alone.
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1st Rounder [600]
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Re: If you're pissed about possibly no football this fall....
Jul 12, 2020, 12:09 PM
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Trump did not shut down China- he tried in a half-assed manner. He stopped Chinese from coming directly here from China, but Chinese in other countries were able to come and, the big mistake, Americans in China (and other foreigners) were allowed into this country without screening or isolation. The same with “shutting down Europe. Some of this was from general ignorance, not his alone.
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Lefties BELIEVE that the Government is the ANSWER to EVERYTHING
Jul 12, 2020, 12:30 PM
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It’s NOT!!!!!!! Self Accountability does NOT exist in your Thought Processes’. Mao TSE Fauci is a Leftie who has a Vested Financial interest along with Bill (WHO) Gates and the EVIL Criminal George Soros in various Bio-Pharmaceutical Companies that are working on “Vaccines”. Many years the Flu Vaccination is only as effective as 8-19%. Yet, many on here talk about a “Vaccine” like it’s the end all/be all. However, very few want to discuss the Strengthening of one’s IMMUNE SYSTEM!! If the Government would take a small portion of the Trillions that are WASTED on Pork and Failed Programs, and start promoting proven Natural Supplements (High Quality that USA produces — not Wal-Mart supplements from China) then this Country would be in much greater shape from a Health Perspective and economically as well. Examples- Vitamin C, Magnesium, Zinc and Vitamins D3 and K2. It’s worth noting that the USA closed its last Vitamin C plant in the early 2000’s. There is a small plant in Scotland and all the rest is is produced in, you guessed it: China! BUT, Big Pharma doesn’t want to hear it, because they cannot Patent Natural Supplements! Lastly, perhaps some of you can educate yourself on the origins of where this Virus originated- - China and more specifically the CCP (Chinese Communist Party).
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Re: If you're pissed about possibly no football this fall....
Jul 12, 2020, 3:02 PM
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Leftists love to throw things out like IQ tests as a retort because they actually believe they are superior, more informed, and smarter - until you sit down and have a discussion with them. Usually ends with them flipping out or calling names as long as you hold your ground, call out their inconsistencies, and don’t allow them to pivot and reframe at each point on the discussion they are proven incorrect.
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Dynasty Maker [3517]
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Re: If you're pissed about possibly no football this fall....
Jul 12, 2020, 3:16 PM
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Exactly there is no middle ground with them.
Most are like I said ,idiots.
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Re: If you're pissed about possibly no football this fall....
Jul 13, 2020, 7:24 AM
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That is evidenced by the fact that the strongest demographic group for Trump is uneducated white men, while educated white women prefer Biden by a 2 to 1 margin.
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More politicized BS, thanks for being part of the problem***
Jul 12, 2020, 3:06 PM
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CU Medallion [20979]
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So you know more than this guy?
Jul 12, 2020, 11:09 PM
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He is a political hack because why?
Back this stuff up with your knowledge of viruses and refute what he is saying, or can you?
Facts don't care about your feelings. If you want to debate, fine. Back it up or shut up.
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Re: If you're pissed about possibly no football this fall....
Jul 12, 2020, 3:07 PM
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Right, on the people who decide to cancel it.
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Yes--it would be AWFUL to live in a place with virtually no
Jul 12, 2020, 7:30 PM
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cases, schools open, and fans at sporting events. How would we ever survive?
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CU Guru [1535]
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Did you read the article? The quarantine is for 14 days, and
Jul 12, 2020, 7:34 PM
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it protects the general population. New Zealand is an island nation that can't afford to have COVID catch fire and run rampant over there. What part of this do you object to? A country looking out for their citizens? Having to actually DO SOMETHING to stop the spread?
It's people like you who are flat out guaranteeing that we won't be gathering in groups for concerts, sporting events, or anything else for the foreseeable future. But by god, you'll have your freedom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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So you think a nation of 3.3 million and its corresponding
Jul 12, 2020, 10:53 PM
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economy ahould just be fully locked down until a vaccine? Or are you suggesting that if 100% of everyone wore masks, socially distanced, and washed their hands that the virus would have been eradicated by now?
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Clemson Conqueror [11105]
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I did. I would rather live in a place where personal accountability
Jul 12, 2020, 11:20 PM
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to sound guidelines, that have been in place since March, is practiced.
I chose to do my part to help prevent the spread of this disease. I don’t need the state to mandate my actions and I appreciate that freedom.
Since you so eloquently profiled me as risk to future social gatherings, with no other basis than a post on a football message board, I’ll leave it back to you to determine my objection.
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Re: If you're pissed about possibly no football this fall....
Jul 12, 2020, 3:20 PM
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Before I comment, I'll just say that in 2016 I did not vote for either major party candidate and will not be in 2020.
But regarding football and the OP's article link, I think it raises some valid points from a scientist familiar with the topic. If you're a Clemson football fan, maybe this analogy with America's virus response will ring true for you. Remember in 2015 and 2016 when Clemson football team would get a lead but let inferior teams claw their way back. But Clemson 2018 and 2019 seem to have figured out you need to crush them completely? So Clemson 2015=2016 was America at the end of the lockdown. We had a 3-pt lead at halftime and started playing grab-@$$ on the sidelines and lost focus. Yay Memorial Day is here - the virus is gone, let's party. Instead, we should have been more like 2018-2019 and followed the guidance. Reopen in phases only after you met certain criteria. But we didn't. Now here we sit.
I also agree with the previous commenter who disagreed with Brilliant's thoughts on closing churches. I think he said that as a non-believer and out of exasperation. But as a believer, I feel like we need the churches as much in this time as any. Besides, churches have ways to run programs and social distance, stream online etc that can prevent virus spread. I don't think he considered that in his statement.
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If it will make the OP feel better I can dig up some other
Jul 12, 2020, 3:33 PM
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articles from medical experts that suggest a view that is contrary to Dr. Brilliant. However, I think my efforts would be rather pointless because the purpose of this whole thread (with an attempt to disguise under the topic of "no football") is not to discuss anything new regarding COVID-19 but to start flinging poo in a political blame game.
If we are really concerned with playing the blame game, then why are we even looking at the US and not putting the blame where it really belongs? I will tell you factually who is to blame: the Chinese Communist Party SOB's who inflicted this disease on the world and who seem to have avoided any real culpability. The CCP is SOLELY responsible for the devastation COVID-19 has wrought. But then again - blaming and holding the Chinese responsible does nothing to further the desired political narrative of those who want to politicize everything in an election year as a blunt force weapon with which to club their opponents.
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Recruit [97]
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Re: If it will make the OP feel better I can dig up some other
Jul 12, 2020, 5:08 PM
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I could name 22 gamecocks that would be a better president than Trump. Unfortunately the guy is pathetic. Sad for him. He ruined his life, not ours. He’ll be gone soon, and we’ll be left still living in the greatest country on the planet.
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Dynasty Maker [3496]
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Re: If it will make the OP feel better I can dig up some other
Jul 12, 2020, 5:26 PM
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I like Biden other than his pathological lying, pandering to leftists, peddling influence, over 40 years of doing nothing, inability to put two words together. I’ll stop there. I’m sure he will make a fine president. Shouldn’t be any Trump related replies. I did say I like Biden, right?
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Re: If it will make the OP feel better I can dig up some other
Jul 12, 2020, 6:02 PM
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Let’s see a list of Joe’s lies in the past year, then let’s look at a list of Don’s lies in the past year, or how bout don’s lies in the past 24 hours. Trump is LOL thinking about how he can tell you sheep anything and ya’ll believe him! Sad but pretty funny as long as I’m not one of the sheep. He wants to be a dictator, he knows he can’t be one in the US, but it’s hilarious that ya’ll are comforted as you’re being conned by a fraudulent wanna be dictator. The guy has the management skills of a door to door salesman. My apologies to door to door salesmen.
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Dynasty Maker [3496]
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Jul 12, 2020, 6:37 PM
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I said he would make a fine president! Pay attention. Three law degrees, full schokarship, top of class at an Ivy League school. Back in the day he was a stand in for Sergeant Schultz on Hogan’s Heroe’s. When he said he knew nothing, it was absolutely true. Trump xenophobic and racist for travel ban. Bernie’s his idol. Can’t see a thing that could go wrong.
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Jul 12, 2020, 7:19 PM
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AP Newswire: Tue 03 Nov 2020 12:01 AM - YOU’RE FIRED!
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Clemson Conqueror [11647]
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Jul 15, 2020, 3:48 PM
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Nailed it Tabby. After looking up him on Wikipedia, it is pretty obvious that he leans far left. That's OK, and much of what he said was probably right, but some was not. His blame on southern states for opening up to early is being contradicted by the director of the CDC who says it is likely to have been because of all of the northern visitors over Memorial Day week. No one is sure, but it is likely.
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Re: If you're pissed about possibly no football this fall....
Jul 12, 2020, 11:14 PM
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Pretty simple and has always been simple. The Trump cult wouldn't wear masks.
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Re: If you're pissed about possibly no football this fall....
Jul 12, 2020, 11:26 PM
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If Trump was smart he would’ve been the wartime president that he wanted to be, the opponent is the virus, he could’ve ramped up production of testing kits with war time urgency and volume like nobody could have imagined, rally the troops, rally the population fight the virus, everyone would have been behind him, I would, close the economy in a real strict way for a short time, and then open up in a well managed manner like other countries are, net net would’ve been much better for the economy. Instead we are all left wondering what’s next. The economy, Wall Street and Main Street are wondering what’s next. Flat out lack of leader ship.
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Re: If you're pissed about possibly no football this fall....
Jul 12, 2020, 11:37 PM
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He could have convinced his cult that masks were important.
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Jul 13, 2020, 3:45 PM
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AP Newswire: Tue 03 Nov 2020 8:01PM YOU’RE FIRED!
They’ll probably have to implement the mercy rule on this one and call it early on Tuesday night. Sorta like the chicken coop, everyone can go home early.
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