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All-TigerNet [14363]
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We know. We know. You only like murdering people in the womb.***
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Jul 24, 2024, 9:59 PM
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Orange Blooded [2615]
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Have you ever considered responding with anything other than deflections?***
Jul 25, 2024, 9:20 AM
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Re: Have you ever considered responding with anything other than deflections?***
Jul 25, 2024, 9:26 AM
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That’s about 95% of P&R posts
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Orange Blooded [2615]
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That's fair, a bit disappointing but fair***
Jul 25, 2024, 3:08 PM
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Orange Blooded [2615]
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I'm not arguing for or against the OP, just find it interesting that every reply
Jul 25, 2024, 3:08 PM
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of yours seems to be a deflection
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All-In [26218]
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But you've yet to add any substance to the topic, just a bunch of whiny b1tchin'***
Jul 25, 2024, 8:32 PM
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Re: Firearm Mortality by State
Jul 24, 2024, 10:14 PM
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What’s your solution? What guns in particular would you like banned if any?
Please be specific.
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Re: Firearm Mortality by State
Jul 25, 2024, 7:45 AM
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I simply posted some facts.
You imply there is a problem requiring a solution.
What problem have you identified?
What’s your solution?
Please be specific.
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Orange Blooded [2526]
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Good post and good reminder that this problem is the worst in red states...
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Jul 25, 2024, 9:20 AM
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I'm safer in the supposed Hellhole of NYC than I am in Oklahoma.
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Re: Good post and good reminder that this problem is the worst in red states...
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Jul 25, 2024, 9:37 AM
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I'm safer in the supposed Hellhole of NYC than I am in Oklahoma.
Do everybody a favor and move to NY City please
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Orange Blooded [3087]
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Lovefootball not people.***
Jul 25, 2024, 9:43 AM
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Re: Lovefootball not people.***
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Jul 25, 2024, 10:00 AM
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No, love Clemson people, not high on Bumble Bee fans
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Re: Good post and good reminder that this problem is the worst in red states...
Jul 25, 2024, 10:43 AM
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Not really. State by state statistics aren’t the best to show the real picture. Break it down city by city. I posted a reply to this further down in the thread. Go check it out. The top 7 cities with the most violent crime are all democrat ran cities with democrat mayors.
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Re: Good post and good reminder that this problem is the worst in red states...
Jul 25, 2024, 2:58 PM
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OK, so if we have a dem city in a dem state with really high gun deaths, then that means the rest of that dem state has an extremely low rate of gun deaths, especially compared with the Republican states.
Who is killing who in these Republican states with really high gun death rates?
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Blacks.***
Jul 25, 2024, 8:35 PM
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Hmmm... Let's look at some numbers shall we...
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Jul 25, 2024, 9:58 AM
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The following numbers are for 2022 in the USA and come from the CDC:
Death from Heart Disease: 702,880
Death from Diabetes: 101,209
Cigarette related deaths: 480,000
Excessive alcohol use deaths: 178,000
Fentanyl Deaths: 76,226
Firearms death: 48,204
Furthermore, there is some 400 million firearms in the USA. That gives us a death rate per firearm of roughly .012% per firearm. That's so low that it doesn't even really register a 10th of one percent and means that 99.98% of firearms in the USA have never caused a death. Yet another way of looking at the issue is that out of 330 million people in the USA, .014% die from firearms. Once again that doesn't even reach the 10th of one percent mark.
So when you really look at death in America (if that is really your concern) - it really looks like the American diet, sedentary lifestyle, the use of cigarettes, alcohol, and drug use kill WAY more people in the USA every year than our 2nd Amendment right. In short - our freedom to choose what we eat and put in our bodies is responsible for way more US death than firearms.
So if the concern is really about saving lives - why isn't the Democratic Party taking major political positions to ban cigarettes and alcohol? It's a CDC fact that cigarettes and alcohol kill more Americans in a single year than 20 years of total death from firearms. So why is getting rid of firearms instead of cigarettes and alcohol a top priority for Democrats?? After all - there is no Constitutional right to cigarettes or alcohol standing in their way like there is with firearms and that pesky 2A..
Hmm... me thinks the Democratic position for wanting to dump the 2A ain't just about death from firearms and that some other motivation is behind their anti-gun agenda...I wonder what that motivation could be...
Sources:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm
https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/adult_data/cig_smoking/index.htm
https://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/facts-stats/index.html
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/nchs_press_releases/2024/20240515.htm
https://americangunfacts.com/gun-ownership-statistics/
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110%er [9988]
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Reading that - my first thought was - well those fat folks are just killing
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Jul 25, 2024, 10:21 AM
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themselves. That made me wonder how many of the firearm deaths are suicides. Take them out and the gun statistics would be even lower.
Fentanyl deaths is what really stands out to me...
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Re: Hmmm... Let's look at some numbers shall we...
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Jul 25, 2024, 10:21 AM
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The "science" loving party is too busy telling its voters that obesity is a virtue to give a #### that its actually killing hundreds of thousands of them every year. Food, smoking, booze and drugs are responsible for millions of premature deaths every year and the left embraces the use of all of these (except smoking tobacco of course which is singled out for some odd reason) yet it's guns they want their cult members focused on as the root of all evil. Fat, stupid and drugged out of their minds is exactly how the left wants its voters. Oh and on public assistance of course.
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Re: Hmmm... Let's look at some numbers shall we...
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Jul 25, 2024, 10:25 AM
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The following numbers are for 2022 in the USA and come from the CDC: Death from Heart Disease: 702,880 Death from Diabetes: 101,209 Cigarette related deaths: 480,000 Excessive alcohol use deaths: 178,000 Fentanyl Deaths: 76,226 Firearms death: 48,204 Furthermore, there is some 400 million firearms in the USA. That gives us a death rate per firearm of roughly .012% per firearm. That's so low that it doesn't even really register a 10th of one percent and means that 99.98% of firearms in the USA have never caused a death. Yet another way of looking at the issue is that out of 330 million people in the USA, .014% die from firearms. Once again that doesn't even reach the 10th of one percent mark. So when you really look at death in America (if that is really your concern) - it really looks like the American diet, sedentary lifestyle, the use of cigarettes, alcohol, and drug use kill WAY more people in the USA every year than our 2nd Amendment right. In short - our freedom to choose what we eat and put in our bodies is responsible for way more US death than firearms. So if the concern is really about saving lives - why isn't the Democratic Party taking major political positions to ban cigarettes and alcohol? It's a CDC fact that cigarettes and alcohol kill more Americans in a single year than 20 years of total death from firearms. So why is getting rid of firearms instead of cigarettes and alcohol a top priority for Democrats?? After all - there is no Constitutional right to cigarettes or alcohol standing in their way like there is with firearms and that pesky 2A.. Hmm... me thinks the Democratic position for wanting to dump the 2A ain't just about death from firearms and that some other motivation is behind their anti-gun agenda...I wonder what that motivation could be... Sources: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htmhttps://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/adult_data/cig_smoking/index.htmhttps://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/facts-stats/index.htmlhttps://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/nchs_press_releases/2024/20240515.htmhttps://americangunfacts.com/gun-ownership-statistics/
Do not confuse them with facts
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Re: Hmmm... Let's look at some numbers shall we...
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Re: Hmmm... Let's look at some numbers shall we...
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Drug overdose deaths were 3 times higher than firearm deaths in 2023 with over 50% of them from fentynal that is coming across the border. Fix that problem and fewer will be killed fighting to control the drug business. It won't stop all but it's a start.
We (our families) have not (fortunately) had anyone killed by a senseless gun murder but have lost a family member to a fentynal OD. There there is an amendment to legally own a gun if you meet the requirements but there is no amendment to sell illegal drugs.
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Re: Firearm Mortality by State
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No go look up FBI statistics on what demographic commits the most homicides. Then go see what states have the highest concentrations of that demographic.
Next go look up cities with the most violent crime. Then look up the demographics of those cities and their mayors. I’ll give you a head start. St. Louis, Baltimore, and Detroit are the top 3. Detroit mayor, Mike Duggan, democrat. Baltimore mayor, Brandon Scott, democrat. St. Louis mayor, Tishaura Jones, democrat.
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Re: Firearm Mortality by State
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#4 is Memphis, mayor is Paul Young, democrat.
#5 is Little Rock, mayor is Frank Scott jr. Democrat.
#6 is Milwaukee, mayor is Cavalier Johnson, democrat.
#7 is Rockford, IL, mayor is Tom McNamara, democrat.
I could keep going but you should get the picture by now. Btw the majority of those mayors were black.
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For those who want to misconstrue the meaning of the 2nd Amendment
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as it was/is written, Penn and Teller (of all people) explain the actual, plain language meaning of the 2A rather well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4zE0K22zH8
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NJ oh yeah!***
Jul 25, 2024, 3:09 PM
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Now do cars***
Jul 25, 2024, 6:27 PM
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Are there states with more and less car safety laws?***
Jul 25, 2024, 8:09 PM
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Just looking at Illionis I can tell
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Jul 25, 2024, 7:33 PM
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you this is total bull. They either aren’t reporting or they are fudging numbers.
I know first hand what is happening in South Chicago, so I can tell you this is BS.
This doesn’t help the pro-gun movement, but this chart is total bs.
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Yeah, all the facts I don't like are BS, too.***
Jul 25, 2024, 8:10 PM
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These arent facts
Jul 25, 2024, 9:07 PM
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I know FIRST hand. They underreport on purpose.
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Re: These arent facts
Jul 26, 2024, 11:16 AM
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Yeah, I too know FIRST hand that all the facts I don't like are BS.
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Re: These arent facts
Jul 26, 2024, 11:20 AM
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Dude if you use your brain I am making the case for the poster. It’s much much worse. But you obviously have a hard time with reading comprehension
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Re: These arent facts
Jul 26, 2024, 11:29 AM
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Hmm, reading comprehension. So you were making the OP's case by calling it... hang on, let me look back... "total bull"?
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Re: These arent facts
Jul 26, 2024, 10:19 PM
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I know first hand that tigernanac doesn’t know first hand Illinois gun statistics.
I know second hand that tigernanac doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
I know third hand how to talk jibberish like tigernanac and Trump.
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BS in, BS out. Read the last paragraph disclaimer and its admitted vagaries...***
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110%er [9988]
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According to that, in 2022, NC had 1831 deaths by firearms - but it only
Jul 26, 2024, 11:40 AM
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had 954 homicides. So at least 877 of those firearm deaths were suicides. (Maybe not that high - I guess some could have been accidental.)
I guess when discussing firearm deaths based on numbers - you should probably take out suicides (they often would have just found another way to take their own lives).
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