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TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 18, 2021, 11:52 PM
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Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Tony Elliott hopes his offense takes away confidence after a second-half touchdown that allowed No. 6 Clemson to escape Death Valley with a weird 14-8 victory Saturday. Will Shipley says the offense is a play or two away from being really good. DJ Uiagalelei feels like the offense is ready to break out. For the majority of Saturday’s game, it didn’t feel that way. Full Story » |
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 18, 2021, 11:55 PM
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Duh! Did we learn nothing from Uga loss?
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 19, 2021, 12:12 PM
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All I can add is that I'm sure glad #6 Clemson was NOT playing #10 PSU last night. With their game plan and execution, we would be 1-2 for the season. We are NOT playing like a top ten team and sure don't look like one.
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 19, 2021, 2:04 PM
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Play Ole Miss and they gonna lose by 4 TDs
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Pretty sure it's up to him to adjust on the fly
Sep 18, 2021, 11:55 PM
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If you can't adapt, GTFO
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Go easy. He only had a 2 hour halftime to fix it.***
Sep 19, 2021, 12:01 AM
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Re: Go easy. He only had a 2 hour halftime to fix it.***
Sep 19, 2021, 12:04 AM
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We had only 3 possessions in the second half and moved it inside the red zone 2 out of the three with a touchdown. You act like we had multiple 3 and outs.
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Re: Go easy. He only had a 2 hour halftime to fix it.***
Sep 19, 2021, 9:01 AM
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Ummm- we had lineman blocking each other (thank goodness Dabo called the timeout) receivers running the wrong routes, and the play calling was wildly predictable…none of which had to do with GTs “structure” or our limited possessions. Given the talent difference those 3 possessions should have been at LEAST 17 points. Wake. Up.
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Re: Go easy. He only had a 2 hour halftime to fix it.***
Sep 20, 2021, 4:00 PM
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Totally agree with what you say. My question with all the misQ's on offense what in the world have they been doing the last 7 months. You would think they would have the signs from coaches down by now. One other thing to note as the whole demeanor of the team is flat and this was even noted when they ran down the hill with little or no enthusiasm.
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Re: Pretty sure it's up to him to adjust on the fly
Sep 19, 2021, 9:23 AM
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So far to me they both appear to have no idea how to create an offense.
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Are you really here to discuss things or
Sep 19, 2021, 10:51 AM
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take childish name calling shots at our QB? A keyboard is a convenient place to say things you wouldn't say to that person directly...
That's some serious trolling on your part... to a teenager that you should be an adult example for...
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 18, 2021, 11:57 PM
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Confidence - yes, gaining less than 300 yard again an average at best team certainly makes me confident!
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 18, 2021, 11:57 PM
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“Limited the deep throws”? There was none attempted! Heck on most of those you can still walk away with a PI if you teach how to do a little acting properly!
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 19, 2021, 2:08 AM
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Isn’t this what every team tries to do.?The most serious issue I see is this offenses lack of ability to impose their will like our past teams. The routes are sloppy and lazy, lineman taking plays off, and a flat footed qb that more times than not is bewildered and locking in on receivers . Even the way they came down the Hill today seemed flat.
I do believe the coaches will fix it, but can they get it done before we drop another game is the question?
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 19, 2021, 7:40 AM
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This is a Kelly Bryant season. Let #5 play and lose another 2 or 3 games because he’s a “5 star” and it’s “his turn”. Miss playoffs and wait for next real QB out of Texas.
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 19, 2021, 8:46 AM
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This is a Kelly Bryant season. Let #5 play and lose another 2 or 3 games because he’s a “5 star” and it’s “his turn”. Miss playoffs and wait for next real QB out of Texas.
yes! My wife and I have been saying U reminds us of Kelly Bryant. Except you KNEW Kelly was going to run after three or four seconds. He also never threw more than ten yards at a time and wildly missed open receivers. Kinda reminds us a lot of U except you hear he can run but he doesn't ever seem to know exactly what he's going to do. Seems like he can't handle the big stage although I know he's been in big games
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So far, he’s not nearly as good as Kelly Bee…
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Sep 19, 2021, 9:16 AM
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which is troubling.
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 19, 2021, 4:57 PM
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Mr. Shipley is our system new back....he will be as good as mr. E was in a few more games..We just have to hold on real tight....
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if he can survive being pummeled while getting
Sep 6, 2012, 4:44 PM
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No help from the OL
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 18, 2021, 11:58 PM
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The college football world laughed at Scott Frost earlier this year when he said they were surprised by illinois’ defense and had to throw out half their game plan. Elliots comment here reminds me of that. Were we expecting them to just let us go deep without setting anything up? I’m rooting for him, but I think it’s becoming clear that he is out of his depth.
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 19, 2021, 12:01 AM
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He didn't just get in over his head. I have been pissing T-Netters off for a few years now making that same statement!!!!
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 19, 2021, 12:16 AM
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I’m with you. I started getting frustrated with his play calling the 2019 year. The Deshaun years they definitely kept a vanilla playbook until the playoffs and then opened things up some. 2019 I kept telling myself things would open up in the playoffs. Then I told myself OSU just had a good defense. I still think we could have won that LSU game if we had just stuck with feeding ETN.
I’m at the point I think Elliot and this vanilla offense are the biggest problem with the offense. Not the OL, not DJs poor play. Those are symptoms of his design. Everyone keeps talking about our WRs not getting open. Do we really think that’s just because we don’t have speed? Ross, Williams, Ladson aren’t fast enough to get open? We need 4.4 speed just to get open? No way. Schools all over the country do less with more than we do on offense. We have no identity. For years after bad offensive games, Elliot has always had the same response. “The defense took x and y away, we took what they gave is”. It’s crazy nobody else can take away entire aspects of the other top programs’ offenses.
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 19, 2021, 7:45 AM
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It's the same thing year after year. We have succeeded because we have recruited well, and the yac have been phenomenal. Throw in a few deep passes to keep the defense honest, and you can get away with alot. In business, there is a saying. Sales cover mismanagement. I believe The Chad created this offense and really made it work. TE took it over, saw the success, but really hasnt developed (the scheme or himself). I like TE. I want him to succeed. I want continuity with our staff, but there comes a point where you either get better or you "get promoted". You have to look at bammer. As much as i hate to say it, they have had a revolving door, yet they have phenomenal success. Why? Is Saban that good himself, good at recognizing talent, or.performing some weird voodoo?
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 19, 2021, 1:31 PM
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"Surprised" is a very poor though revealing excuse, particularly when this defensive scheme was used against Clemson fairly regularly over the last couple of years. Right now most any defense can stop Clemson so all it takes is a good offense to beat them. This applies to several teams in the ACC. Don't be surprised when an ugly win turns into an ugly loss.
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 18, 2021, 11:58 PM
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He is surprised quite often and we are limited on our adaptability apparently. What’s his salary again?
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 19, 2021, 12:02 AM
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1.5 million to much. Dabo could easily hire one of the OC in college FB for what he is paying TE!!!
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Jeff Scott says...
Sep 19, 2021, 3:50 PM
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Yall miss me yet?
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 19, 2021, 12:00 AM
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Elliott is an idiot. DJ can throw deep all day long. He just can't find an open receiver.
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 19, 2021, 12:05 AM
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So every team just gonna throw out two deep
safeties and force us to run it 40-50 times for 150 yards?
Where do I sign up to be a DC?
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 19, 2021, 12:02 AM
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Time for a change. Coaching not players… we are not adapting and don’t have TL to cover our weaknesses at coaching. Hope Dabo sees this.
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 19, 2021, 12:06 AM
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Well ..... why don't we surprise the other team once in a while and not run exactly what have in every other game?
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 19, 2021, 3:19 PM
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Great idea! Give that man a QP doll.
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 19, 2021, 12:07 AM
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Stop the really really proud crap and own that our offensive coaches are failing our star recruits. No proper prep or adjustments. Feel bad for the players. Hope our recruits don’t get spooked.
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 19, 2021, 12:20 AM
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How about design 10-12 plays that threaten a defense in 4 different areas of the field (and I’m talking about DOWN field not sideways on the line of scrimmage). Then call those plays, line up with what is supposed to be our superior talent and execute those plays over and over and over regardless of how or where the defense lines up. Then when they adjust to stop those plays hit them with 4 other plays in completely different areas. DICTATE to the defense, not the other way around. In Tony’s cat and mouse game the cat is winning.
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 19, 2021, 12:22 AM
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Problem is we only have 4 plays. Your scheme needs 8. Sorry
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 19, 2021, 9:43 AM
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I hate to say it but that made me laugh out loud..you’re right 4plays ?? good grief!
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#########.... What you need to do is fix it Tony....***
Sep 19, 2021, 12:25 AM
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We are Clemson. Impose our will. Have an identity.***
Sep 19, 2021, 12:27 AM
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this is tommy bowden calling saban levels of bad
Sep 19, 2021, 12:29 AM
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guy making millions to run a high profile college football offense..says he couldnt dial anything up because the other team had a scheme he never saw before...well hell maybe adjust to it? you arent going to reel in an arch manning like this his name has pedigree hes going to want to play in a system that allows him to showcase his skills for the nfl..not a dink and dunk screen offense
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I’m other words “I didn’t have a plan B”
Sep 19, 2021, 12:47 AM
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SMH
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Re: I’m other words “I didn’t have a plan B”
Sep 19, 2021, 12:54 AM
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The 2nd half was plan B. We had two 12 play drives on only 3 possessions. Our offense didn't touch the ball in the final 8 minutes except for trying to run the clock out with only 7 seconds left. Looks like plan B worked.
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NOW
Sep 19, 2021, 5:30 AM
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why do you want to frustrate yourself by voicing reason and fact?
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Re: NOW
Sep 19, 2021, 8:04 AM
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Can we go to plan b immediately after it’s obvious plan a needs to be trashed as opposed to wasting 2 quarters?
Break out the Tajh Boyd playbook, run DJ early and often and play action!
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Re: NOW
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Can we go to plan b immediately after it’s obvious plan a needs to be trashed as opposed to wasting 2 quarters?
Break out the Tajh Boyd playbook, run DJ early and often and play action!
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 19, 2021, 1:05 AM
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BS! I was at the game, GT had the safeties up within 10 yards of the LOS all game, we had 1 on 1 coverage on boundaries so many times it wasn't funny. The play Ross caught one sliding over the middle, Ngata had his man 1 on 1 running down the sidelines. He just never took a chance. By saying that, he's saying every team we play from here on out can just run that same defense, and we'll never throw another deep ball lol....F'n PATHETIC, Elliott needs to pack his bags. Its getting old, it's been like this since Scott left, Lawrence was just able to mask it.
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 19, 2021, 2:55 PM
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Correct Southerntiger09. You are exactly right. GT might have had 3 down linemen all day but they were bringing pressure blitzes on virtually every play. To say they were laying back in a prevent style defense leads me to believe we are in worse shape at OC than we thought.
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 19, 2021, 3:52 PM
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Point of the day!
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 19, 2021, 1:14 AM
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Long story short, Elliot sucks.
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 19, 2021, 1:46 AM
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It’s like everything, every week is a surprise to this guy…….just saying. At this point you’ve seen every surprise and should have an answer, no?
Our online always cross training is a problem for 10 years now…
We miss Jeff Scott more than we know.
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 19, 2021, 1:46 AM
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Hellfire we know who you are Elliott
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This is the worst offense ive seen at Clemson in 10 years
Sep 19, 2021, 1:55 AM
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its simple! The O line is awful! DJ isn't as advertised! clearly! now we know who was calling plays. I Like Elliott as a person but the play calling is awful. my 11 year old can call better plays. I don't come on here much but I've been here longer than most on here. I know we have been spoiled for several years, but with the talent we have its embarrassing to watch!
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Sick of the ###### excuses
Sep 19, 2021, 4:23 AM
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I can think of a number of programs, at this moment, that could light up GT through the air AND ground. Elliotts comments are those of someone in over their head.
How much better could the last few Clemson teams have been with a REAL OC?!?
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NIU put up 21, & Kennesaw St put up 17 on GT in Atlanta.
Sep 19, 2021, 2:19 PM
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Apparently Clemson doesn't have as much player-talent as NIU & KENN.
Or could it possibly be that our OC stinks?
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Oh Lord-here we go again!
Sep 19, 2021, 5:15 AM
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Everyone is a better play caller than Tony Elliott. Seriously? You don't know enough to see what he was looking at and you don't know our limitations as far as play selection...and neither do I...not unless we were up in the booth and have a career in coaching which has been exceptionally good. We have now gone from being afraid TE is going to leave to escorting him out of town. "Worst play calling in 10 years"..which includes his years as OC-guess TE's play calling within those 10 years where we won 2 National Championships was fine but now he doesn't know how to call plays? We ALL need to grow up-including me! Going back to 2011-EVERY season has been 10 plus wins. Again, suddenly these guys don't know what they are doing?? I understand the frustration. Everyone has it-especially coaches and players. We all have rights to our opinions on strategy, play calls, personnel, etc. Good debate about
technical aspects is fine. When we make it personal, we drop to the level enjoyed in Columbia. We're Clemson fans and we're better than that..we DON"T make it personal-especially at this level of success! Remember sports writers and recruits read all the crap we put out so I think it best we know our audience..unless you want to go back to being 6-5 and always waiting for next year(sound familiar?)
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Re: Oh Lord-here we go again!
Sep 19, 2021, 8:00 AM
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Realistically, if we didnt say a word, it wouldnt matter. its all over espn and social media. Arch Manning going to uga and seeing what they are doing, then coming here, Dabo better have a horseshoe, moji stick, lucky charms and starshine in his bag.
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Tony Elliott’s play calling has been bad for years
Sep 19, 2021, 12:00 PM
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We just had Trevor to cover up for him except for when we played teams that had the same talent we did. In those games we were shutdown. You mention the two Nattys, the ones where Jeff Scott was co OC, those Nattys. Elliott has proven time and time again that he isn’t capable of making adjustments. He panics too quickly in reaction to different looks being thrown at him. His response that they changed looks and so we couldn’t do what we do. Well TE the book is out on you and your offensive schemes and when a team like GT can shut us down, you and this offense has to evolve. There is no creativity whatsoever, hell I know 75% of the time based on down and distance what we are going to run.
Other good offenses have schemes that get kids wide open, ours depends on our wide receivers having to win every 1-1 matchup. Too many RPOs with option routes for our wideouts where everyone has to be exactly on the same page for them to work. You have young receivers and a young QB, run more set plays and three level routes. Two deep safeties, then we should be able to kill them with crossing routes and the tight end across the middle.
Long story short, the book is out on Tony’s offense, if he can’t evolve and get more creative, our offense will continue to struggle and be shut down against good teams. He either has to change or we need to make a change. There is entirely too much talent to suck this bad.
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Re: Tony Elliott’s play calling has been bad for years
Sep 19, 2021, 12:23 PM
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Agree!
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Re: Oh Lord-here we go again!
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Some of you act like calling football plays is neurosurgery. First of all, if he had the IQ to design new plays that would be one thing but he is running the same old worn out plays we've had for years and calling them in the same order. He needs to spend his brain cells on play design and something remotely original.
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Dude-roll out in the end zone
Sep 19, 2021, 4:45 AM
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and throw the ball long and out of bounds. DJ can toss it miles. Game over-no fumble
See? An observation, an opinion, a suggestion-not a personal attack. We could have thrown it away. However, I, like the rest of us, would have thought of that 10 out of 10 times in the heat of the moment...not!
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Re: Dude-roll out in the end zone
Sep 19, 2021, 10:35 AM
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I mentioned the same thing. I wonder why not only was that not done, apparently it wasn't even considered.
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Thie only reason I can think of is because a holding call in
Sep 19, 2021, 1:46 PM
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the endzone is a safety. But that is still safer than what we did..to me anyway.
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 19, 2021, 5:11 AM
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Hmmmm, we can go with a HC and an OC with 2 National Championships to fix our problems or we can go with all the experts on Tnet who clearly know so much more about football than guys at the top of their profession. Agree that our offense sucks right now, But without hurting the tender sensibilities of the Tnet football geniuses, I think I’ll go with Dabo and Tony to fix it.
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 19, 2021, 5:08 PM
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THANK YOU....YES
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 21, 2021, 11:11 AM
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Hmmmm, we can go with a HC and an OC with 2 National Championships to fix our problems or we can go with all the experts on Tnet who clearly know so much more about football than guys at the top of their profession. Agree that our offense sucks right now, But without hurting the tender sensibilities of the Tnet football geniuses, I think I’ll go with Dabo and Tony to fix it.
I understand where you are coming from for sure. I also think it's obvious that our offense does not adapt when the other team is able to dictate their will. This is especially true since Scott left. I like TE alot, but I don't see the anywhere near the type of coaching and adjustments as we see on the other side of the ball. I understand that there are tons of variables to overcome. New QB, RB's, and receiver squad. O-line has been been great on passes for years and fairly week on run plays. This year they can't do either. I find it disconcerting when the OC basically says: "They surprised me and I didn't have an answer other than to do what they wanted me to do". I was really in his court until that comment. It's the comment of someone with no creativity and no ability to change things up so that the defense has to react to HIM and not the other way around. He understands that his young QB has no confidence but he can't design in some high percentage throws to get him in a rhythm?
I'm not saying I could do better, and he has a great resume. Now it's time to see what he can do when he doesn't have players that can just make plays through sheer will.
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 19, 2021, 7:32 AM
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So what our OC is saying is if the D plays 2 deep safeties, we will not throw against that? I honestly don’t understand this - if that’s all it takes to stop us? Please explain.
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 19, 2021, 7:53 AM
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Heard this before. Seems to be the company line. How many times y’all heard Dabo say we gonna do what we do. Looks like that scared of the mighty Yellow Jacket D
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How I read these comments
Sep 19, 2021, 7:57 AM
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He basically said; They did a better job coaching and game planning than us and we stayed on our heels trying to adjust to them.
I don’t know the cause but I know what I see. I see an offense that has progressively become more vanilla and unwilling to adapt. It’s becoming more and more clear that our “keep the D honest plays were ones where our QB saw space and made the decision to scramble for yards. DW4 was a magician at creating his own space and knowing how to get yards with his legs when the D dropped too far back. DJ isn’t. The coaches need to figure something out.
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 19, 2021, 8:23 AM
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If you have been OC for years and don’t have a sheet with plays to counter dropping eight players in coverage, something is wrong. Send receivers deep and dump to back in flat, screen, draws, misdirection. Spurrier would have burned the lights out in the scoreboard, given that situation. So why shouldn’t NC State do the same next week and all other teams we play. You
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TE is surprised that Tech played defense?
Sep 19, 2021, 8:38 AM
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They gave up QB runs whenever we ran them. TP is better at that than DJ. It's shockng that Dabo isn't giving TP some playing time.
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Is Grisham also over his head as Receivers Coach?
Sep 19, 2021, 8:50 AM
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Just asking as their is a lot of talk about how many mistakes the receivers are making.
Seems that they all got big heads and are not really putting in the work to get on the same page with the QB.
Why is it that there are so many route issues?
Why are our guys not more open if they are so great?
Is our WR recruiting off by always going after the tall fast guy and not the short, quick, sure handed guy? Where is he Amari Rogers, Hunter Renfroe, etc... type of WR on the team? (Yes Tony Stellato, but he's only a true freshman & Will Swinney isn't fast).
Just saying that our great WR's should be bailing out our new QB by providing better support (as should the OL, TE's, RB's).
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Re: Is Grisham also over his head as Receivers Coach?
Sep 19, 2021, 2:45 PM
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New (different) WR coach might have something to do with that.
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Pretty sure our "structure" was a surprise to them as well
Sep 19, 2021, 8:44 AM
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Specifically, a lack of structure. This literally might be the worst offensive scheme I've seen from any team since I started watching college football. How we can have talent 99.9% of teams would kill for and only put up 14 points and 284 yards vs Georgia Tech who lost to NIU ( and gave up 300 yards ) just 2 weeks ago. At some point some accountability is going to have to be taken from the offensive staff, that's just the bottom line.
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Re: Pretty sure our "structure" was a surprise to them as well
Sep 19, 2021, 8:57 AM
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Agree. Coots gained more yards against uga first team defense than we gained against a 2* ga tech defense. Don't profess to have a clue what's wrong. I'll leave that to you guys.
What I do know, is TE should have kept his mouth shut other than to say this was dismal and unacceptable plain and simple.
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Seems like we could adjust to the scheme and make some
Sep 19, 2021, 9:45 AM
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production improvement. Still think the middle of the field is not being utilized effectively. Some dumps to backs that worked. Believe the offense is missing the small quick guy ala Rodgers/Renfrow/Scott. Spector is hurt. Where's Stellato? Seems Will Taylor might be the ticket. He was in the slot once I remember last night to run the sweep. Someone else said it earlier that Dabo needs to go ahead and move him since that's where he projects in the future. Of if you believe he's staying at QB, give him a few series to see how it works!
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Re: Seems like we could adjust to the scheme and make some
Sep 19, 2021, 2:41 PM
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That is something I never understood, Lakedude. Why waste a year training a kid to play QB when you know he is never going to play there? I just do not get it??
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CU Medallion [18515]
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I understood it when TP was hurt, but not now.
Sep 19, 2021, 4:11 PM
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 19, 2021, 9:17 AM
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What happened to winning 80/20 of 50/50 jump balls? You’re telling me that on a 4 quarter game the offense can’t manage one attempt? You’re telling me that 2 deep safeties was invented in the 2021 season? Earn your salary TE. Pathetic.
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 19, 2021, 2:40 PM
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Well said JUSCAUS.....well said. WE pay those big WR's to go get those 50/50 balls. Then we don't try a one in three games???
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 19, 2021, 9:28 AM
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Sometimes a coach knows exactly what his team should do...but sometimes his team is young and inexperienced and is not ready to implement the whole playbook.
I am frustrated myself. Is there a Clemson fan who is not? But Coach Elliot has played and coached with some great people and against great teams.
I bet he's seen every look you can imagine?
But you can't snap your fingers and give that knowledge and experience to 18,19, 20 year olds. We are YOUNG at skill spots.
Even though we have great talent think about the Olympic basketball team. With all that Talent they still struggle to come together under one system. These kids come from a bunch of different systems.
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Most had spring and all had fall camp. QB had all last year
Sep 19, 2021, 9:50 AM
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Most of the WRs are juniors. Experience should not be an excuse.
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 19, 2021, 10:19 AM
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Not buying that talk... Players look like they're afraid to make a mistake out there. Only thing wrong with DJ is Elliott seems to have a leash around his neck. Turn him loose. Half the OL blocks air. Put a hat on somebody. Receivers routes are 5 and out or 5 and in. Turn them loose. And please please please, trash the RPO and commit to either a run or a pass. We should, with our talent level, be able to be successful at one facet of offense. We look very predictable.
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 19, 2021, 9:38 AM
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If it was a surprise then it was entirely lack of preparation followed by lack of ability to adjust what we did.
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"They didn't run the D we prepped for... It was a trick."***
Sep 19, 2021, 9:52 AM
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Re: "They didn't run the D we prepped for... It was a trick."***
Sep 19, 2021, 10:29 AM
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Coaching should be like government... Set some ground rules, Give a little bit of direction and get the heck out of there. Let those talented guys do their thing. It also gets old seeing our defense standing there having to get spoon fed directions each play.
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Re: "They didn't run the D we prepped for... It was a trick."***
Sep 19, 2021, 2:36 PM
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That very well could be the dumbest statement I have ever heard a college coach make, while at the same time VERY revealing of an inept mindset.
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Coach, it’s way past time to attack instead of
Sep 19, 2021, 10:45 AM
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taking what the defense gives us. We’ve got the horses so turn them loose and let em run.
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Re: Coach, it’s way past time to attack instead of
Sep 20, 2021, 3:12 AM
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To me this is indicative of the coaching staff having to simplify the offense to the point of not being able to make adjustments when the defense does something they weren't expecting.
Now why are we having to simplify the offense so much when you have a 2nd year QB and receivers in their 2nd or 3rd year?
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 19, 2021, 11:04 AM
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So much for Clemson only playing against Clemson. Now if they line up in a way that we don't like, we are screwed?
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 19, 2021, 11:25 AM
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Time to pull a Kevin Steele. If the players need to be held accountable, so do the coaches.
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 19, 2021, 11:44 AM
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I'm not usually one to complain or gripe about a coordinator because I know Dabo knows what's going on. However, it's pretty clear to me right now that Trevor Lawrence carried this offense the past 3 years and even then it's pretty clear we could have been a lot better.
DJ looks slightly worse than awful right now and from his words, it appears as if our OC is clueless on how to fix the issues.
I'm making a guess that Dabo will make the right changes soon enough. Clearly the offense took a downturn when Scott took the head job at USF. Judging by the way things are going down there, he may be available really soon for another coordinator's job.
Chad Morris is coaching at Allen high school in Texas and might be willing to come back. Who knows, but changes need to be made.
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Hmm, just a play or two away from being really good. Now
Sep 19, 2021, 11:46 AM
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when did I hear THAT before? Shipley must remember the Bowden years from when he was a tiny tot.
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Re: Hmm, just a play or two away from being really good. Now
Sep 19, 2021, 12:11 PM
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Ok, I just read 5 pages of TE haters . But it ain’t him it is as simple as no true slot receivers. We got a stable full of Cadillac WR’s. Big tall rangy but not Hunter no Amari no Scott and no Ray Ray so until we can develop a player like that it ain’t going to get better because every team knows this. End of story!!!
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NIU & Kennesaw St has better players than Clemson?***
Sep 19, 2021, 2:56 PM
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 19, 2021, 1:37 PM
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We need to shake things up at QB. DJ’s play has been disastrous.
And let’s give Streeter some play calling responsibility.
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 19, 2021, 2:31 PM
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BOOM!!! And there ya have it........someone finally said it in public!!
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 19, 2021, 2:03 PM
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I think this is the point that he loses all support from fans. We DO support the term, coaches, and players, BUT it is not blind faith. We’ve seen this developing since Scott left but when you have Trevor and Travis, things have a way of working out. Your offense just got embarrassed playing one one of the weakest ACC teams and you claim that they out-schemed you? Yes we had to accept when LSU and OSU shut you down. Now we have more evidence that the reason why both those teams ran away in the second half was because they made adjustments and you kept your one-dimensional play calling plan. No way they win playoff game with this offensive scheme
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 19, 2021, 2:30 PM
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Perfect response MK2. Well done.
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 19, 2021, 2:28 PM
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Lord God help us if NCST changes anything they have done so far! TE might have a panic attack and run QB kneels every play all day.
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Both Northern Illinois and Kenesaw FREAKING State put up
Sep 19, 2021, 5:02 PM
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more points on GT than we did...How were they able to solve GT's mystery formation that had our Broyles Award winner so puzzled?
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 19, 2021, 8:17 PM
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Let DJ do what we recruited him here for... Throw the deep ball. Kid might have the strongest arm in college yet we are running bubble screens and inside zones every play. Don't even get me started on the qb draws. Vanilla offense is an understatement. C'mon Tony, use your brain.
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 20, 2021, 3:16 AM
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What an idiot.
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Re: TNET: Elliott says Tech's "structure" was a surprise, limited deep throws
Sep 20, 2021, 8:24 AM
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Stop with the excuses and fix the issues. If you can't do that, then please take your 2 million a year contract and go elsewhere. I am really starting to doubt Elliot's play calling ability.
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So why not try quick routes underneath them then?***
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