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Watched the FSU game verses SMU. My two cents.
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DJ didn't play all that badly. He's not mobile or a good runner, and he's also good for a dumb pick-six or fumble, but it was his WRs and TEs dropping everything.
The team is undisciplined with way too many stupid penalties at the worst times. The secondary blows coverages and tackling is not good.
I think FSU has talent (especially at punter), but does not look well-coached to me. DJU can make the throws but gets rattled too easily.
I think Clemson needs to come with all kinds of blitz packages, run Mafa, and do anything you can to confuse a weaker secondary who bites on everything. Finally, run Cade early and often!
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Dynasty Maker [3483]
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Re: Watched the FSU game verses SMU. My two cents.
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Sep 30, 2024, 1:59 PM
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I’m sure there’s others who might have a more data supported analysis, but it just seems like we blitz much less than the BV era and get home even less.
I hope you are right and we pressure DJ into….well, just being DJ.
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Ring of Honor [21823]
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He throws it away at the drop of a hat.***
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Sep 30, 2024, 2:00 PM
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Orange Beast [6502]
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Re: Watched the FSU game verses SMU. My two cents.
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Sep 30, 2024, 5:04 PM
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Correct. We have become a "Bend but don't Break" defense under Wes. I don't like it either. While you are bending and giving up tons of yardage, our high powered offense is over there drinking gatorade.
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National Champion [7887]
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Re: Watched the FSU game verses SMU. My two cents.
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Sep 30, 2024, 5:14 PM
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BV was the King of bend but do not break... Goal line stands were the specialty of Clemson football. They still continue to do it when healthy, but during BV days the other team inside the 3 yard line hard a VERY hard time scoring....
A good goal line stand is as good as it gets in football IMO. I love it.
Wes has continued the bend but do not break mentality with less talent....Yes, less talent. Very good talent no doubt, but not to the level it was in the early to late 2010's. BV had some serious studs at DT and DE, Lawrence and Wilkins will go down as the best tandem to ever line up at DT in college football history. You simply do not get that kind of talent often, and they were some bad dudes that loved to stop teams when it mattered, at the end zone.
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Re: Watched the FSU game verses SMU. My two cents.
Sep 30, 2024, 5:30 PM
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Yes, you have to make DJ uncomfortable and force him to move his feet. If you don’t he can hurt you with the strong passing arm and years of experience he had. Our pass rushing has been nothing like the BV coached teams. We left Stanford’s QB back there a long time and most decent QBs are going to find an open WR. You can’t cover a guy forever. We used to not give a QB time to think
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It seemed to me that their is a lot of talent at FSU
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Sep 30, 2024, 2:19 PM
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they just kept shooting themselves in the foot. Some things that concern me:
They did a good job of running to the outside
They often stopped the SMU running game
They have a history of blocking kicks
Some things in our favor:
We can count on DJU to throw at least 3 balls through the receivers hands because of no touch
They will blow pass coverage at least twice
Cade will break at least one run of 20 yards
What I hope: They don't correct all of the mistakes (or even most of them) they made against SMU. I am afraid they might do like we did after the UGA game and correct the little mistakes and give us fits.
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Orange Beast [6303]
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Re: It seemed to me that their is a lot of talent at FSU
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Sep 30, 2024, 2:33 PM
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We need to score early, take the crowd and players out of it, and keep the gas on.
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Paw Warrior [4694]
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Re: It seemed to me that their is a lot of talent at FSU
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Sep 30, 2024, 5:00 PM
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Notice how the oh ohohoh oh oh oh oh goes dead quiet when the opponent makes a first down off a 3rd? Didn’t used to do that. Norberg has them disillusioned
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Letterman [179]
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Re: It seemed to me that their is a lot of talent at FSU
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Sep 30, 2024, 3:23 PM
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did you actually watch the game or look at the stats? FSU rushed for total of 63 yards with their lead rusher having 67 yards on 15 carries (not great but not horrid) and a long rush of 12 yards so at best the outside running game was successful twice. FSU gave up 204 yards on the ground with the SMU leading rusher having 129 yards on 17 carries so that's hardly "stopping the run". FSU has been abysmal all year running the ball and their run defense hasn't held up to teams trying to run the ball.
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110%er [3979]
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I watched the game
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Sep 30, 2024, 4:04 PM
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and have not looked at the stats. FSU's running stats held down somewhat by sack numbers, but they weren't that great. As I recall most of SMU's rushing yards came late. Like I said FSU seemed to shoot themselves in the foot especially in the first half. SMU did the same thing in the first half. As the Tigers have shown attention to detail makes a big difference and if FSU starts doing that they will give a lot of people fits. I hope they don't figure that out until 2 weeks from now.
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Ring of Honor [23950]
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Yes, DJ played poorly. DJ loses confidence and the team follows suit.
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Sep 30, 2024, 2:40 PM
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3 completions below 50% with 2 TDs and 3 picks with a fumble and QBR of 13.2. He's a bad QB.
We've seen this movie before.
Clemson was able to get almost 1,000 yards rushing out of DJ in basically 2 years, including 545 yards and 7 TDs his last year. So far, FSU has gotten -8 yards and ZERO TDs out of him. He's not a great runner by any stretch, but, when used properly, is the best way to get blood out of that turnip.
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Ring of Honor [21823]
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He didn't play great by any means.
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Sep 30, 2024, 2:53 PM
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But there were lots of drops, too. The pick-six at the end was horrible.
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No, he didn't . That's what happens to a team when DJ is the QB.
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Sep 30, 2024, 2:55 PM
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The whole team loses their confidence.
DJ needs to do what it takes to win and help his team. Allowing the OC to use his limited running ability more would probably help their efficiency.
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Ring of Honor [21823]
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He wasn't getting much pass protection and had to throw it away a lot.***
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Sep 30, 2024, 2:56 PM
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Orange Beast [6502]
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Re: He didn't play great by any means.
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Sep 30, 2024, 5:10 PM
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If you remember, DJU has had lots of drops every where he has been. It is very difficult to catch those end over end knucklers when they are coming at you at 90 mph and dipping and darting like a white winged dove in a hurricane and then when it hits your hands with no spin it feels like a medicine ball made of hot lead. Dropsies are a natural occurrence.
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Re: He didn't play great by any means.
Sep 30, 2024, 5:19 PM
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Dropped balls seem to follow DJ wherever he throws. Some kind of bad magic? No, he throws a bad ball. Period. It’s not coincidence receivers across three different programs drop passes he seemingly puts in their hands.
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CU Guru [1594]
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Sep 30, 2024, 2:45 PM
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DJ sailed some passes over their head, just missed and they dropped some. Looked like some of his games at Clemson. He will not change, but we need to bring pressure all game, mixing up blitz and coverage packages! That slows down DJU.
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CU Guru [1594]
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Sep 30, 2024, 2:45 PM
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DJ sailed some passes over their head, just missed and they dropped some. Looked like some of his games at Clemson. He will not change, but we need to bring pressure all game, mixing up blitz and coverage packages! That slows down DJU.
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Sep 30, 2024, 2:53 PM
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I’ve heard that he isn’t playing and may in fact be finished. Those are some great thoughts, but I think you may worry over games more than even I do. And that’s saying something.
FSU and DJ are tuuuurible, god awful. They can’t score on anyone. They average I think 13.5 a game. It seems like it would take a collapse of unseen proportions for Clemson to leave there with an L.
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Ring of Honor [21823]
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True. I get nervous for games. This might be their Bowl Game, though.***
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Sep 30, 2024, 2:55 PM
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Re: True. I get nervous for games. This might be their Bowl Game, though.***
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Sep 30, 2024, 3:06 PM
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Did you see how they played in their bowl game last year?
On a more serious note, the team has playmakers, I won't argue that point. What they don't have is cohesion and a willingness to play together as a unit. I don't see a leader on the team the rest is willing to get behind, and I don't think a bunch of transfers are going to rally behind a freshman QB, especially if he doesn't come out strong.
Just my .02.
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Re: True. I get nervous for games. This might be their Bowl Game, though.***
Sep 30, 2024, 5:04 PM
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Live by the potty and die by the potty
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Re: True. I get nervous for games. This might be their Bowl Game, though.***
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They’ve played:
GT L
BC L
Memphis L
Cal W (really Cal gave them the game more than FSU won it)
SMU L (major blowout)
None of those teams are ranked programs so Clemson was supposed to be the first major test for a preaseason top 10 team. How will this team that can’t compete with low level competition, handle a Clemson? Finally a legit team. What will they look like now?
Or..
You’re right to be concerned, it’s their Super Bowl, and they finally show the world why they were a playoff favorite.
That would be a bigger shocker than how bad they have been this year.
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Re: True. I get nervous for games. This might be their Bowl Game, though.***
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Sep 30, 2024, 4:55 PM
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I'm expecting a win, but so was every FSU fan, along with most Tiger fans, when #3 FSU came to Death Valley in 2003 to play a lost Tiger team. We know how that ended.
It's college football. Anything can happen.
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Re: Watched the FSU game verses SMU. My two cents.
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Sep 30, 2024, 3:02 PM
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Excellent assessment.
Lets face it, they had tremendous aspirations and listened to the outside noise. Then ga tech won a game that could have gone either way.
BC shocked them right off with 2 quick TDs. FSU fought back to make it 14-6 at half. DJ5 not looking bad. They were moving the ball well early 3rd qtr and he threw a bad pick that BC returned to FSU’s 7 yard line. Went up 21-6. To me, that seemed to be the turning point of their whole season. After the nearly pic 6, you could see the players on the sidelines.
Not only did reality sink in that they were 0-2, but worse, they were 0-2 in conference play. Ever since, they've just been pathetic and gave up.
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Ring of Honor [21823]
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Yep! Exactly!***
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Sep 30, 2024, 3:17 PM
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Sep 30, 2024, 3:07 PM
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Eventually the drops have to come back to how he is throwing the ball. Drops have been an issue with a couple of dozen different receivers now for DJ. It can't be all of them. He throws too hard and without good spiral rotation and it equates to a difficult ball to catch.
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Lack of touch and accuracy create problems for DJ's receivers.***
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Sep 30, 2024, 3:14 PM
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Ring of Honor [21823]
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Maybe in general. But the drops sat were some good passes.
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Sep 30, 2024, 3:19 PM
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I am not impressed with DJ either, but I don't think he can't throw dimes on our secondary if given time.
I think he'll be motivated too.
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Ring of Honor [23950]
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He'll make a few nice throws, but can't consistently make plays down the field
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Sep 30, 2024, 3:26 PM
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which allows teams to crowd the LOS and come after them. No matter how motivated he is.
Actually, these types of pressure situations usually bring out the worst in DJ.
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Well, lets hope!!***
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Re: Watched the FSU game verses SMU. My two cents.
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Sep 30, 2024, 3:32 PM
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You must really love DJ, you defend him regularly and his abysmal play. It's never his fault, is this a west coast bond type deal?
DJ is what held Clemson back while he was at Clemson. The roster was in a solid spot and the OL was decent(not good but decent). His second year as a starter I'll admit the wr corp was banged up but his lack of ability led to a few was transferring and killed the depth. He went to Oregon St and they said the same things about him there and had their fan bases arguing if he was an issue in big games as well. Now he's at FSU on his 3rd team and still has the same issues and there are fewer willing to blame everything else around him.
Honestly his issue is he never had to be a real QB and that's just how it played out in Cali. I don't think he ever had a private QB coach like many of these big time prospects and young QBs playing now had. He didn't participate in many camps either so scouting was a bit more difficult. His highlights were amazing deep ball after deep ball but you never saw him have to throw a guy open(outside of putting in front of the faster player on a streak) and turns out he never had to.
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Ring of Honor [21823]
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I could see how you would think that but i am just being objective as I can.
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Sep 30, 2024, 5:13 PM
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But I will say this: he's not a Tiger. He's a Nole, and I don't pull for him to do well in games, especially ours.
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Re: I could see how you would think that but i am just being objective as I can.
Sep 30, 2024, 6:58 PM
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Well said. Go Tigers!
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Sep 30, 2024, 4:09 PM
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I think they just have a bunch of players that don't really care anymore. Norvell has lost the team and players stop playing when they know they don't have a leader at QB. You can see the lack of effort all over the field
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Your analysis is spot on.
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Sep 30, 2024, 4:18 PM
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I don't think Cade will have to run much. No need to risk him. Secondary gets confused on crossing routes. LBs are either slow afoot or slow to react to RBs coming out of backfield on pass plays. (Wheel routes have been open and open often every game.)
DJ has not played well, but he has had little help. Dropped passes, poor protection, no running game, etc.
OL run blocking is poor, or worse.
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Ring of Honor [21823]
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Thanks Brett, means a lot coming from you.
Sep 30, 2024, 5:15 PM
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There is a lot of hate on this board for DJ, and I think that is clouding everyone's judgment. In my opinion, he's far from the weakest link on offense.
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Re: Watched the FSU game verses SMU. My two cents.
Sep 30, 2024, 5:10 PM
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My 2 cents is we will play SMU in the Championship game. Give credit where credit is due.
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Sep 30, 2024, 5:13 PM
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I hope I’m completely wrong but don’t be surprised if Fla st doesn’t play their best game and the backup qb plays lights out. I hope the Tigers win by 50 but I expect a close game.
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Ring of Honor [21823]
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I think it will be close.***
Sep 30, 2024, 5:16 PM
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Sep 30, 2024, 6:07 PM
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FSU is a bad football team. They can't get out of their own way. This game could be close-ish for most of the first half because FSU does have some talent, but it will get out of hand. Clemson by at least three scores.
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Re: Watched the FSU game verses SMU. My two cents.
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Sep 30, 2024, 7:03 PM
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My 2 cents....SMU is pretty good team.
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