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Clemson Icon [27617]
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FSU fan perspective on DJU.
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Jan 23, 2024, 9:05 AM
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I thought y'all might appreciate this. (Keep in mind, this is looking at DJ through garnet tinted glasses.)
1. Concern over his accuracy. But, the prevailing thought is that the QB coach (Tony Tokarz) will work with his mechanics and improve that aspect of his game dramatically.
Now, everything else is positive.
2. Great arm strength. FSU will be able to stretch the field vertically with his cannon for an arm.
3. Big, strong, athletic. No one will be able to stop him on running when it is 3rd and 1 or even 3rd and 2.
4. Because he is a big, strong runner, he will be a monster on zone read plays. He will make the right decisions on when to keep the ball and when to let the RB have it. The zone read play will be the bread and butter of the running attack.
I have tried to temper the enthusiasm of the fans, especially with respect to #4. I'll just comment on that point in this thread and leave 2 and 3 alone.
Seems to me like DJ's weakness with the zone read while at Clemson was his inability to process the play quickly enough to make the correct decision. Seems I recall it was more like he had made up his mind whether to keep or hand off before the snap and, therefore, the play was blown up behind the line way too often.
I've tried to explain that he seems much better suited to run the counter play. That is the play Norvell likes to run as his base running play anyway. Two years ago most of Trey Benson's huge runs were off the counter. the Nole OL was capable of running it quite well. This year, not so much. The linemen were not nearly as good as pulling and outnumbering the defense creating big holes for Benson and others to run behind.
I have suggested that DJ is better suited to run plays that minimize his decision making after the snap.
1. Run counters
2. Run the QB counter
3. Run play action passes, not RPOs.
Let him work on reading the field on pass plays (which he certainly needs to improve on) not on reading to determine if it should be run or pass.
But, they are fans. Garnet tinted glasses. Everything will be fine.
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Re: FSU fan perspective on DJU.
Jan 23, 2024, 9:11 AM
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His arm strength is great …
That only helps when you have receivers running free …and running free from the first read…
I assume FSU bought some receivers in the portal to fill that role…
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Clemson Icon [27617]
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FSU brought in a bunch of receivers, HS and portal.
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Jan 23, 2024, 9:20 AM
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Seems like the #1 thing they all have in common is speed. Last year speed was a big problem. Wilson was a big (6-7) possession receiver. Coleman was just a great receiver. But, neither were track stars. The two fastest receivers on the team were true freshmen and both stayed dinged up all year long. One other guy, Deuce Spann, was also a burner, but saw very little time on the field as WR.
This year there will be no Keon Coleman or Johnny Wilson, but the speed as a whole will be much faster.
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Athletic Dir [1143]
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Re: FSU fan perspective on DJU.
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Jan 24, 2024, 2:55 PM
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Great arm strength but does he know who is receiver is. He didn’t seem to know at Death Valley
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CU Guru [1296]
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Re: FSU fan perspective on DJU.
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Jan 23, 2024, 9:16 AM
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Y'all don't need to run him too much. If so Fat Dave will be in the parking lot after the game raising #### just like he did at Clemson.
As far as DJ's processing speed that's why I call him dial up.
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Re: FSU fan perspective on DJU.
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Jan 23, 2024, 9:27 AM
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Just my opinion, but there won’t be much of anyone changing his mechanics, or much of what he does at this point. What you see, or have seen, is pretty much what you will get. One big problem he had at Clemson was his accuracy even on short throws if he was the least bit pressured. The other glaring problem was, essentially what was happening at Clemson earlier this year, (the FSU game being an example), where his turnovers often times ended up with a TD by the other team. They were just crucial game altering turnovers. You knew they were coming, and you could never relax. They were also so detrimental to the spirit of the defense. Don’t see any of this changing at FSU.
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Clemson Sports Icon [54624]
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The real question is what school will he be "committing" to this time next year.***
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Jan 23, 2024, 9:20 AM
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Athletic Dir [1143]
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Re: The real question is what school will he be "committing" to this time next year.***
Jan 24, 2024, 2:57 PM
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I still think from what he produced at Clemson he’s a five star lemon
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Re: FSU fan perspective on DJU.
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Jan 23, 2024, 9:24 AM
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All of the "positives" about DJ have been listed in his scouting report for years yet none have ever come to fruition....truth is, his main problem is something that is most difficult to fix. He has a weak mentality and crumbles under pressure. I suggest Florida State buy the best 5 offensive lineman in college football if they plan on him having a chance at success because if any team is able to get consistent pressure, it's a wrap
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Re: FSU fan perspective on DJU.
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Jan 23, 2024, 9:26 AM
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DJ seems to be a good kid on and off the field that wants to win. He can get the needed 1 to 3 needed yards on a design run . However he sets his eyes on one receiver and if not open he is a statue in the back field waiting to be sacked .
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Re: FSU fan perspective on DJU.
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Jan 23, 2024, 9:26 AM
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4 yrs of college football and two sets of coaches and now the third set is going to fix his mechanics and make a dramatic change. That sounds like a strategy for dating or buying a used car. 😂😂😂
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Tiger Spirit [9230]
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Additionally on number 3 and 4.
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Jan 23, 2024, 9:27 AM
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Bottom line: DJ does not like running the football. He is slow to commit to when and even where to run. I agree that he could be a monster. But monster running QB's Josh Allen, Ben Rothlisberger in his day, were not afraid of contact. DJ, at 250+ often appears afraid of contact. Couple his indecisiveness and fear with his lack of speed and you have a formula for failure instead of success.
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Re: Additionally on number 3 and 4.
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Jan 23, 2024, 10:05 AM
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It's a "tell" when an announcer touts DJ as a runner. The've never watched him run and/or they don't understand what a big powerful runner should be able to do. Tajh knew how to use his XL body to initiate contact on his own terms.
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Re: FSU fan perspective on DJU.
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Jan 23, 2024, 9:28 AM
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1. His general demeanor
2. The speed of play (every down will take 35 seconds while he tries to process and call audibles)
3. Throwing the ball to the 4 yard route instead of the 12 yard route when both are open
4. 95mph throws at receivers' feet <10 yards away
5. Standing like a statue and staring at whatever 1 route he picked pre-snap for the entire play
are 5 reasons to drive any sophisticated football fan such as yourself insane.
Heaven forbid he throws a pick, because at that point, p1$$ on the fire and call off the dogs. His brain turns into mashed potatoes for the rest of the game.
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Orange Blooded [3456]
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Truth
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Re: FSU fan perspective on DJU.
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Jan 23, 2024, 9:31 AM
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You can spin it however, but he is a serious downgrade from Travis.
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Re: FSU fan perspective on DJU.
Jan 23, 2024, 10:59 AM
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You can spin it however, but he is a serious downgrade from Travis.
What an understatement!
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CU Medallion [19801]
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I think DJU will be very good at FSU. Potentially playoff bound.
Jan 23, 2024, 9:33 AM
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He’s sometimes late and not instinctive in the pocket. You mentioned occasional bouts of inaccuracy that are inexplicable. All that said, when he’s ON he’s both a running threat and passing threat.
Summary _ can he be consistent?
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Re: FSU fan perspective on DJU.
Jan 23, 2024, 9:34 AM
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I said this a few years ago and I stand by it. When DJ is playing at his best he is comparable to Ben Rothlesberger. A big strong arm and can be tough to bring down with an arm tackle, Accuracy is never a strong suit but can be good enough and not really a threat to run for big gains, but can get a few yards on the ground when needed.
When DJ is not playing well it’s because he is slow at processing the coverage and holds on to the ball for too long and waits to be sacked or he has to hurry up his throwing motion and his accuracy pays the price.
The number one focus for Norvell is going to be to get DJ to be able to bounce back from bad plays. We’ve all seen that once DJ makes a bad pass his demeanor changes for weeks and he plays poorly as a result of lost confidence. If DJ can stay out of his own head he has a lot of potential.
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Re: FSU fan perspective on DJU.
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Jan 23, 2024, 9:35 AM
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DJs biggest problem is between his ears. His processor isn't fast enough. He stands back there in the pocket like his feet are stuck in concrete. He's definitely got some tools that can make him dangerous but not consistently elite. Agree it's better to run an offense that limits his decision making.
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Re: FSU fan perspective on DJU.
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Jan 23, 2024, 9:45 AM
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Never understood him not pursuing Baseball. Seems to fit his demeanor better than football and I bet his fastball would be in the 101-105mph range. At worst he would be a great closer with some of speed pitches
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Re: FSU fan perspective on DJU.
Jan 24, 2024, 1:26 PM
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I thought he was going to pursue both baseball and football at Clemson. Obviously that didn't happen for whatever reason. If he could find the plate his arm strength seems to be perfect for pitching. Maybe that "if he could find the plate" reared its ugly head? Would like to know what a pro baseball scout would have reported.
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Game Changer [1625]
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Re: FSU fan perspective on DJU.
Jan 25, 2024, 6:59 AM
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DJs biggest problem is between his ears. His processor isn't fast enough. He stands back there in the pocket like his feet are stuck in concrete. He's definitely got some tools that can make him dangerous but not consistently elite. Agree it's better to run an offense that limits his decision making.
As the saying goes....That's it in a nutshell. Seems like a great kid with a lot of bad influences around him (or at least one big one).
Imagine what CBV would throw at him! I hope Coach Goodwin secretly circles FL ST on his private calendar this year.
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Game Changer [1984]
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Re: FSU fan perspective on DJU.
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Jan 23, 2024, 9:42 AM
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Honest question, it took Norvell & Co 5 years to develop JT into the QB that would have likely been the 4th QB taken off the board.
What do you think is the realistic expectation of improvement for him with less than 9 months?
For what it's worth, his numbers were nearly identical after his transfer to a school with supposedly better WRs and OL while playing against lesser competition.
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At Oreg St he did look the same
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Jan 23, 2024, 9:54 AM
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but in '23 the Pac 12 was not lesser competition.
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Game Day Hero [4529]
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Re: FSU fan perspective on DJU.
Jan 23, 2024, 9:50 AM
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To be completely honest his accuracy for 3 straight seasons as a starter has been in the 50s as far as percentage. I have a hard time believing his accuracy will magically improve with a little coaching. DJ is a game manager. He has good ball security and seems to have improved on interceptions. He’s a first read guy and won’t get you in trouble. Need to rely heavily on running game and hope the first option gets open more often than not.
What I think FSU needs to understand is Travis had great pocket awareness, escapability, and could throw great on the run. DJ has okay pocket awareness but is very slow and has poor escapability. Not a great thrower on the run. I see a drop off offensively. I don’t see anyway that you don’t. Now with the portal acquisition your defense may be as good as last year which will help.
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Legend [6951]
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DJU was never the problem at Clemson.
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Jan 23, 2024, 10:00 AM
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Ya'll have a 5Star QB.
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Legend [6718]
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We had/have a lot of problems - and he was certainly part of that.
Jan 23, 2024, 10:24 AM
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Not saying we could not have won a title with him, had everything else been perfect. But I think we had a better chance at a title during his tenure had he been as gifted as Watson or Trevor.
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Re: DJU was never the problem at Clemson.
Jan 23, 2024, 10:38 AM
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So he was a 5-star at Oregon State. I watched only 2 games, the first one against San Jose St and the second one against Oregon. Looked like the same exact QB to me.
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Re: FSU fan perspective on DJU.
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Good luck. I was stunned that FSU took DJ.
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Re: FSU fan perspective on DJU.
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Jan 23, 2024, 10:03 AM
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1. He is so slow they time his 40 on a sundial
2. Receivers have to be 8ft tall to catch passes from his Cannon.
3. He still has deer in headlights look.
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Re: FSU fan perspective on DJU.
Jan 23, 2024, 10:10 AM
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He was not an asset at Clemson.
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Re: FSU fan perspective on DJU.
Jan 23, 2024, 10:58 AM
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I will give DJ credit for the games he subbed for Trevor.
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DJU is just ok and never be "that guy"
Jan 23, 2024, 10:12 AM
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he was ok at Clemson, he was no better at OSU, and he'll be ok at FSU... he might be a free agent drat pick... there's something that's just off with him... no one will fix him mechanically because it's all in his head and it's a thick one
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Once a Tiger beaver semihole, always a . . . .
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right ?
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Ring of Honor [23950]
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DJ: "I didnt want to run as much. I got tired of running the ball." OSU
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Jan 23, 2024, 10:23 AM
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acceded to his demands by asking him to run half as much as he did his last year at Clemson.
1. DJ has poor mechanics. He's relatively unathletic and his footwork is atrocious. He often gets lazy with it, which hurts his accuracy. His regressed last year as his completion percentage fell from 62.1% at Clemson in year 3 to 57.1% in year 4 at OSU while completing 20% fewer passes.
2. Strong arm, but inaccurate on downfield throws. Basically the same TDs and Ints at Clemson and OSU in years 3 and 4. He struggles with ball placement on short swing passes in the flats, preventing the target from getting the ball in position to avoid tacklers and get up field quickly.
3. Big and strong, but, as he said himself, doesn't want to run the ball if he can help it. Bad feet and poor decision making eliminate any element of unpredictability. Runs smaller than his size.
4. Given that he told OSU coaches he didn't like running the ball, I would imagine he has told the FSU coaching staff the same thing. His rushing stats fell from 142 carries for 545 yards(3.8 yds/carry) with 7 TDs to 68 carries for 219 yards(3.2 yds/carry) and 6 TDs. He doesn't like running the ball. I wouldn't expect those numbers to improve in Tallahassee.
The pressure of the season will build up on him and he will struggle more down the stretch in difficult situations.
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run the hurry up, because if he has time to think
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Jan 23, 2024, 10:25 AM
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its trouble.
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Re: FSU fan perspective on DJU.
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Jan 23, 2024, 10:45 AM
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I hope the very best for him at FSU, except for one game, maybe two.
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Dynasty Maker [3117]
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Somebody break the news to him
Jan 23, 2024, 10:54 AM
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He is going to be sorely disappointed. DJU made this move for one reason -- get revenge on Dabo. But we all watched it for two years. When the pressure is on, he melts like butter in a microwave. Put on the 2022 South Carolina film and tell me he can play. I'll wait.
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Re: FSU fan perspective on DJU.
Jan 23, 2024, 11:19 AM
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Just make sure you bring the bourbon with you each game DJ starts
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Re: FSU fan perspective on DJU.
Jan 23, 2024, 11:23 AM
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QB coaches will tell you that accuracy and arm strength are two things that never improve in a QB.
Steve Logan especially comes to mind and he's been a QB coach in the pros as well as having been a long time coach at East Carolina.
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Re: FSU fan perspective on DJU.
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Jan 23, 2024, 11:28 AM
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1. His mechanics are his mechanics. It's not going to change after all this time. He can hit a beautiful long bomb sometimes but is prone to panic throws to the feet or 10 feet above the receiver if he feels someone looking at it too hard.
2.See #1.
3.Slow as a lumbering ox.
4.See #3.
5.Speaking of slow, sometimes I wonder if the gears are turning fast enough to play at the college level. Seems like he's stuck at HS speed progressions.
6. Nice kid. Wish him well in life.
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Too bad FSU don't still have that 6'7 receiver.
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Jan 23, 2024, 11:47 AM
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Gonna need him to catch a screen pass.
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Re: FSU fan perspective on DJU.
Jan 24, 2024, 9:02 AM
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He was MVP (for the COOTS) in the 31-30 loss. Good riddance.
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Re: FSU fan perspective on DJU.
Jan 24, 2024, 9:08 AM
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Yeah if you have to make him think then its an issue, he's also alil robotic at times and just goes through the motion even if the play looks like its not going to work, he just does it anyway. Not great at improvising and reading the defense pre-snap. I think he'll do as well at FSU as he did for us, enough to win games, but not enough to get the overall goal done.
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If you put that boy in a room with nothing else but an anvil...
Jan 24, 2024, 9:39 AM
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he would lose it.
I love that FSU fans think he's all that but I attribute most of the DJ hype to FSU having good fans who feign excitement to hide concern.
Like the ole Bear said, 'Dance with the one that brung you.'
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Re: FSU fan perspective on DJU.
Jan 24, 2024, 1:08 PM
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Mark my words - DJ will not end up being the starting QB!!!!
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Re: FSU fan perspective on DJU.
Jan 24, 2024, 1:14 PM
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Love the new age of CFB when DJ was at Clemson
“Hahaha he sucks what a terrible QB”
Transfers to FSU
“hE wAs a 5 StAr yALl dIdNt kNoW hOW tO uSE hEs goNnA WiN the hEiSmAn aNd A NaTty”
Spin however you like he’s the same QB he’s always been
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Hey Bret, they seem optimistic. Im curious,
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Jan 24, 2024, 1:24 PM
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how did fsu fans feel about DJ when he played for the Tigers and fsu was playing defense against him? I’m guessing that they didn’t think as highly of him then.
bretfsu®
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When Clemson came to FSU and DJ started...
Jan 24, 2024, 5:07 PM
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.... he played very well.
Fans are fans. FSU fans are no different. After the snub in December the morale of the fans was lower than a snake's belly at the bottom of the grand canyon. When the portal opened
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Re: FSU fan perspective on DJU.
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Jan 24, 2024, 1:29 PM
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I do hope they can coach him up...he needs it.
Just remember its a package deal, you get Big Dave with him...
DJU has limitations, I do not think any of them get fixed in a year, under pressure he's going to revert to what comes naturally and not a quick fix summer tutoring... watch his head and his feet... his super strong arm has made up for less than good mechanics...sometimes that pays off but most of time not... also tends to lock onto a single receiver... and stay on that side of the field if that receiver is covered... maybe FSU schemes to that and has options...
He's a great kid and hope he has a great season minus one game...
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Re: FSU fan perspective on DJU.
Jan 24, 2024, 1:40 PM
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DJU has absolutely no pocket presence. That simple fact affects his ability in all other aspects of his game.
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Re: FSU fan perspective on DJU.
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Jan 24, 2024, 1:54 PM
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Just tell the Nole fans that Clemson fans are excited that DJ has transferred to FSU.
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Re: FSU fan perspective on DJU.
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Well yeah, we know all that. His effectiveness is VERY hit and miss passing, strong arm or not. That's just who he is and another coach "working on his mechanics" isn't going to solve it. One second he wows you with an eye of the needle pass 35 yards down the field, next he can't hit the broad side of a barn.
Dude is literally Frankenstein trying to manoeuvre in concrete shoes. Sure IF he can get a head of steam he's a load to bring down. Mobility is NOT his strong suit in any shape, manner or form.
DJU will never play a down in the NFL. He could possibly have some room in the Canadian leagues or some such but that will be the extent of it.
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Game Changer [1769]
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Re: FSU fan perspective on DJU.
Jan 24, 2024, 2:54 PM
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I would put a lot more weight in a Clemson fans perspective on DJU.
Let’s hear from the FSU fans after the 2024 season.
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Heisman Winner [78589]
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I guess they forgot what he looked like in Orange...
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Jan 24, 2024, 2:58 PM
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The same as he did at OSU.......
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Athletic Dir [1109]
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Re: FSU fan perspective on DJU.
Jan 24, 2024, 3:11 PM
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To be honest, and maybe this is a little mean, but the biggest issue with DJ was above the shoulders. He cannot process the game fast enough, read defenses, and look to other options. Maybe that’ll change. I think Cade is having the same issues, but at least he’s younger
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Game Day Hero [4459]
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Re: FSU fan perspective on DJU.
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Jan 24, 2024, 3:37 PM
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Here's my take on DJ.
-Great human being.
-Elite arm strength.
-Inconsistent accuracy.
-Does not know when to put touch on a ball or rifle it in to a window.
-Can not throw guys open, he does not throw with anticipation and wrs often have finished their routes before he throws them the ball.(this is a huge issue for him especially vs m2m coverage).
-has a slow internal clock in regards to holding the ball (the opposite issue of Klubnik)
-powerful runner but indecisive on read plays.
-Not a fiery guy, which is good unless your team is in need of that guy who can be a vocal leader.
Bottom line He's an OK College QB, really a game manager is his ceiling. Not going to take over games and will a team to victory.
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Legend [6657]
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Re: FSU fan perspective on DJU.
Jan 24, 2024, 5:18 PM
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Seriously just stop with stuff about this guy
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Rival Killer [2903]
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Re: FSU fan perspective on DJU.
Jan 24, 2024, 6:13 PM
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In the future, please post about DJU on the FSU boards.
We literally do not care any more. We've processed this conversation a thousand times already.
Respectfully.
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CU Medallion [20617]
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Re: FSU fan perspective on DJU.
Jan 25, 2024, 2:18 AM
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Nervous Nellie will be a basket case for the Clemson game….
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Rival Killer [2659]
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Re: FSU fan perspective on DJU.
Jan 25, 2024, 2:24 AM
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Oh boy are you going to be disappointed LOL Garnet glasses for sure LOL
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Yards per passing attempt was 1.4 yards higher
Jan 25, 2024, 5:44 AM
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For DJ at Oregon State in 23 versus at Clemson in 22. (8.1 versus 6.7) That’s a pretty significant increase. Watched almost none of the Oregon State games in 23 but I’m going to guess he had more explosive receivers than he had at Clemson in 22.
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Orange Blooded [2460]
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Re: FSU fan perspective on DJU.
Jan 25, 2024, 7:15 AM
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If he is/was so good, don't you think he'd still be at Clemson
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