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Former Clemson Players at other schools we dont take any but a lot go elsewhere
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Aug 30, 2024, 5:40 AM
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Former Clemson players on Power 4 schools
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DJ Uiagalelei QB Florida State
Kobe Pace RB Virginia
Beaux Collins WR Notre Dame
Dacari Collins WR NC St
Toriano Pride CB Missouri
Joseph Charleston S Missouri
LaVonta Bentley LB Colorado
Andrew Mukuba S Texas
2nd Team
E.J. Williams WR Indiana
Zack Owens OG Colorado
Malcolm Greene S Virginia
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Sage Ennis TE Virginia
David Ojiegbe DE Pittsburgh
4th Team
Domonique Thomas RB Ole Miss
Not on Depth Chart
Adam Kissayi DE Minnesota
Non Power 4 Conference
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Brannon Spector WR Jacksonville St
Mitchell Mayes OT Charlotte
Kevin Swint LB Georgia St
2nd Team
Billy Wiles QB Appalachian State
Fred Davis CB Jacksonville St
Etinosa Reuben DE UMass
Hunter Helms QB Rhode Island FCS
Anyone else?
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Re: Former Clemson Players at other schools we dont take any but a lot go elsewhere
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Aug 30, 2024, 6:09 AM
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While I know the future is uncertain of when we will take a true portal player vs grad transfers, I'm grateful for the approach Dabo has initially taken.
Watching CFB these days all we here is where they transfered from. Not much about why they are attending the Univ, family or life struggles. As a fan of CFB and higher education I miss that connection to these players, irregardless of what uniform they were wearing.
It's painfully obvious the CFB we all grew up with has transitioned rapidly, and will continue to do such for many years to come.
I'm just going to enjoy this season, watching my Tigers knowing the announcers have to switch gears with little ole Clemson and discuss our players, family, majors, trials and tribulations, along with great personal success stories because our leadership develops men that we can be proud of and hold our heads high for hopefully a bit longer. Thank you Dabo!
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Re: Former Clemson Players at other schools we dont take any but a lot go elsewhere
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Aug 30, 2024, 6:23 AM
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Some of these players have already graduated even if the NCAA calls them transfers. The expectation used to be that you left college after graduation anyway.
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Rival Killer [2903]
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Leaving college after graduation expectation
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Aug 30, 2024, 7:22 AM
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Then how in the world do all of those non athletes get to hang around and warm masters degrees and doctorates?
Athletes have the right to grad school as anyone else.
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Re: Leaving college after graduation expectation
Aug 30, 2024, 7:37 AM
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I took TK’s comment differently. If a football player graduates and isn’t getting playing time they’re gonna go somewhere else whether it’s 2024 or 2000. That’s always been an option, so pointing out a grad transfer now isn’t anything new because that’s how it’s always been.
And let’s be honest, a football player getting a graduate degree likely isn’t doing it to garner additional specialties in a field but purely to continue football; unlike the other students you mention getting master’s and doctoral degrees.
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Rival Killer [2903]
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Motivation doesn't matter.
Aug 30, 2024, 9:03 AM
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Fairness does.
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CU Guru [1514]
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Re: Leaving college after graduation expectation
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Aug 30, 2024, 9:31 AM
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It is also somewhat of the culture that to make your education appear to be well rounded and more solid yby not getting your grad degree from the same school that you got your undergrad from. Graduate from Clemson, go to grad school where you can get in and get it paid for if you can. Maybe get back to you home state close to family, etc. The media tends to make it a big deal, but it really isn't. It's pretty much SOP.
Not to say that plenty of people don't go through the same school through to a doctorate, but it pretty common to vary educational credentials. So if a grad transfers in or transfers out because he's good enough to still play or "player coach" after 4 years that's not at all like a sophomore using the portal. Some of these guys are still in it for the education believe it or not. Just sayin'
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Rival Killer [2903]
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Actually, it is exactly like that.
Aug 30, 2024, 9:37 AM
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A transfer is a transfer for athletes.
You can't have it both ways .
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Re: It's still a player we lost to transfer though.***
Aug 30, 2024, 11:11 AM
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Some need to transfer JK. They are not going to play.
Collin’s needed a change of scenery imo. Not talking bad on him as a person but we can definitely upgrade that spot out of high school.
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Tiger Titan [47344]
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I agree, some guys want to play more or need a change of scenery.
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Aug 30, 2024, 11:28 AM
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Regardless though, the concern is who we replace them with.
We lost 14 players to the transfer portal last year. We can't expect to just replace all of their production, experience, and leadership with guys on our team or who we get from high school.
I am all for being a developmental program as much as possible, but we must use the transfer portal to address needs.
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Re: Leaving college after graduation expectation
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Aug 30, 2024, 12:16 PM
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Used to be Grads could only transfer and have immediate playing time if the masters program was not offered at the current school. Obviously player would just choose a degree not offered so they could play immediately but if they transferred to school with same degree then they would have to sit a year just like all other transfers under old rules.
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Rival Killer [2903]
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That rule was a federal law violation
Aug 30, 2024, 5:29 PM
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...just like pretty much e anything ense about how the NCAA used to do things.
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Rival Killer [3046]
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Re: Former Clemson Players at other schools we dont take any but a lot go elsewhere
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Aug 30, 2024, 7:15 AM
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Here before everyone says all these players suck.
Beaux collins sucks despite being highly rated out of high school, being thought of as an nfl WR by dabo, recruited by another top team out of the portal, and is now a starter of said top team. Dude is trash.
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Rival Killer [2903]
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Funny how these guys are "great", "being developed" etc.
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Aug 30, 2024, 7:26 AM
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while they are at Clemson. Then when they leave they magically become "trash".
Collins played his ### off while he was here and he contributed. He had some injuries that put him behind the curve. He is apparently healthy now.
How #### do in South Bend remains to be seen, but ND is not known for accepting trash.
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Re: Funny how these guys are "great", "being developed" etc.
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People do the same thing with recruits when Clemson makes the offer the guy is great a perfect fit etc, but if the guy chooses another school or flips etc all of a sudden “we didn’t want him anyway” “he’s not really that good@ and “ he wouldn’t fit into our culture”
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Tiger Titan [47344]
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It's so predictable.***
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Aug 30, 2024, 11:02 AM
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Re: Funny how these guys are "great", "being developed" etc.
Aug 30, 2024, 11:06 AM
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Collin’s was not very good. Lack of separation. Hate to talk down about kids but was glad to hear he was transferring.
The list of transfers mentioned were good for the kids long term. Guess the writing was on the wall for them concerning playing time.
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Tiger Titan [47344]
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Collins was arguably our best receiver last year.
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Aug 30, 2024, 11:18 AM
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It was not a good thing that he left.
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Re: Collins was arguably our best receiver last year.
Aug 30, 2024, 11:22 AM
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Yes it was. No doubt. He was no threat.
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Re: Funny how these guys are "great", "being developed" etc.
Aug 30, 2024, 11:30 AM
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I don't think all of those guys are trash, but I don't think any of them would start here. Even Mukuba was losing his playing time to Barnes. Collins may do well in South Bend, but I don't think anyone was losing sleep over him leaving.
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Re: Former Clemson Players at other schools we dont take any but a lot go elsewhere
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Aug 30, 2024, 7:24 AM
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You are looking at a 5 year period. Which equates to about 4 kids a year. I dont think losing that few is too bad. Of the ones you listed maybe 2 would get real snaps this year. Good luck to them all.
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Rival Killer [2903]
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We lost 14 to the portal.
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Aug 30, 2024, 7:28 AM
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That's 16% of the scholarship athletes from the team that are "developed" and that we have to replace with raw freshmen and walk ons
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Aug 30, 2024, 8:33 AM
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another coot handle
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Rival Killer [2903]
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You = embarrassment to Clemson.
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Aug 30, 2024, 9:05 AM
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...and your biyfriebd.
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Rival Killer [2903]
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You are an embarrassment to Clemson.
Aug 30, 2024, 9:35 AM
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You are a Coot chump.
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Rival Killer [2903]
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You are an embarrassment to Clemson
Aug 30, 2024, 10:17 AM
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and your boyfriend.
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Rival Killer [2903]
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Only the seniors and grad students got that.
Aug 30, 2024, 10:20 AM
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Anyone from 2021 and later gets the usual 5 to play 4 unless a hardship extension is granted.
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Clemson Icon [27617]
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How many of them would be starting Saturday against UGA?
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Aug 30, 2024, 7:29 AM
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I think a maximum of 2.
Long before there was a portal, kids buried on the depth chart transferred out to get more playing time.
25 ships a year. 5 years of eligibility (including redshirt) = 125 players. 85 = scholarship limit. So, every 5 years 40 guys have to leave with eligibility left. That's 8 per year.
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Re: How many of them would be starting Saturday against UGA?
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We need depth. That is where Georgia will have a big advantage over us.
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Game Changer [2068]
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Re: How many of them would be starting Saturday against UGA?
Aug 30, 2024, 10:13 AM
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You need depth for a season, not the opener/1 game, but your point is valid on the gap between us and UGA talent wise. Starting 22 is a push
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Rival Killer [2903]
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The seniors don't "have" to leave.
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Aug 30, 2024, 10:23 AM
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Anyone can take smaller classes to keep experience.
With the portal being a one-way street out of Clemson, the issue is replacing those guys with quality, experienced depth.
Starters aren't all that matters. Ask UNC after their starting QB got injured last night
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Re: Former Clemson Players at other schools we dont take any but a lot go elsewhere
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Aug 30, 2024, 7:37 AM
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Some of you guys are obsessed with this. Since I have absolutely no say so or knowledge the coaches have of the players, I prefer to enjoy the season with the players we have and want to be here.
Go Tigers!!!
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Rival Killer [2617]
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Obsessed is right. They just want hired guns to pass through Clemson without
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Aug 30, 2024, 8:30 AM
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a thought given to integrity or the school's mission. It is certainly not a tenet of Clemson to provide a professional football team so that fans can brag to their buddies.
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Rival Killer [2903]
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That is an utterly false dilemma.
Aug 30, 2024, 9:09 AM
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The integrity of the school's mission?
What, exactly is that?
To enrich the coaches and the University by exploiting the athletes like in the past?
To NOT graduate more than a third of the non athlete students as occurs in most colleges?
To project envy from those who aren't athletes?
Something else? Enquiring kinds want to know.
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Rival Killer [2617]
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It says OR
Aug 30, 2024, 10:44 AM
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Integrity OR mission. The mission of the school is education not football. Having hired guns just for the sake of improving the football team erodes that mission. College football and it's players should have some tether to the school. If it doesn't, the only difference in this team and a pro team is this team is supported by a university and the pro team has an owner.
Inquiring*
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I don't think it's an obsession, just a real concern.
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Aug 30, 2024, 11:06 AM
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We continue losing players (some of whom are very talented, including a few starters) to the transfer portal yet we get zero players in return through the portal.
There is a lot to be said for the veteran experience and leadership that can be obtained via the portal, which can't be expected from true freshmen or a guy buried on the depth chart here.
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Re: I don't think it's an obsession, just a real concern.
Aug 30, 2024, 11:20 AM
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No concern here. As long as we can recruit top 10 I’m all good with the way it is.
Getting these 1 year deals just don’t interest myself. But on that note I do not make any decisions and will not get my underwear all twisted up reiterating the same shizz over and over when in the end there is not a #### thing I can do about it.
If you love to watch the one year deals I hear the fake USC and FSU are big players, those may be better programs for some on here to follow.
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Tiger Titan [47344]
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No one wants us to take a majority of our players from the transfer portal.
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I am confident that most, if not all, of our fans here want us to continue being a developmental program as much as possible, while using the transfer portal to fill gaps and address needs.
The reality is that there will be injuries, guys who don't develop as planned, and guys who decide to transfer out. Replacing them with players from other schools who have proven to have success at the college level, and can bring talent and experience to our roster, makes way more sense than thinking a guy who didn't play much for us last year or a true freshman is going to come in and do better.
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Mediocre people do not like high achievers....this is you LOL
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Re: I don't think it's an obsession, just a real concern.
Aug 30, 2024, 11:35 AM
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I have generally stayed away from this discussion, but in this instance I'll argue the statement:
"There is a lot to be said for the veteran experience and leadership that can be obtained via the portal, which can't be expected from true freshmen or a guy buried on the depth chart here".
Leadership is born out of trust. You can't just go out and buy it. A transfer has a very short time to build that from his new teammates. Every position on the field relies on that trust. There have been plenty of figures "buried in the depth chart" that turned out to be the glue that held a team together throughout sports. They respected (which is earned) and listened to what they had to say. And learned from it. The entire idea of "team" comes through time spent together. Otherwise they're just 11 guys on the field tryin' to get theirs. (see FSU football).
I don't have issues with the players themselves for reasons I have stated in other posts. My issues are with the programs that truly believe that this "leadership and experience" to which you refer, is something to be bought, sold or traded.
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I think you're thinking too hard about leadership.
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Aug 30, 2024, 11:51 AM
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There are many examples of players who bring instant leadership to a new place. Take Kirk Cousins, for example. He is a new Atlanta Falcon this year, and he quickly endeared himself to the players, coaches, and fans by how he has conducted himself on and off the field. He is a true leader, and he hasn't been in the Falcons organization for years and didn't know most of the current Falcon players before he arrived.
Players quickly know how to spot talent and skill in other players. That's true at the college level too. It doesn't take long for newcomers who know the ropes, who have the right attitude, and who are great at what they do to earn the respect of their teammates.
If a guy from the portal arrives on campus, and is a really great receiver who understands the basics as well as the nuances, and has a good attitude, his teammates will instantly respect him and welcome him to the team.
I believe that our coaches have the ability (but perhaps not the willingness) to find these players in the transfer portal.
I also believe that our positive team culture will embrace newcomers with positivity and an open mind, rather than resentment or disdain.
This is how you make the transfer portal work. Plenty of other teams are doing it well, and I believe we can do it even better at Clemson.
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Re: Former Clemson Players at other schools we dont take any but a lot go elsewhere
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The good news is if there are only 8 starters at other schools, we have not not major players. We would certainly like to still have Mukuba, but will overcome. The list shows what we already knew and that is many players who are on the bench will still be on the bench with their new teams. Thanks for the list.
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That's still a depth problem
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an experience problem, a development problem, and guarantees that a significant slice of the roster is extra freshmen or walk ons
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There is a reason why Duke beat us by 21 last year.
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It is because they used the transfer portal to address key positions of need, and they had developed their players well to have talent.
They looked better and faster than we did.
You get this, but a lot of people here seem not to.
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Re: There is a reason why Duke beat us by 21 last year.
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We lost to Duke because we turned the ball over numerous times and could not hit field goals.
Portal usage had nothing to do with it.
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Tiger Titan [47344]
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Ah yes, because "Clemson beat Clemson."
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Aug 30, 2024, 11:54 AM
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It wasn't just the turnovers, although if you are going to roll with that excuse, then give Duke credit for forcing those turnovers as much as you blame our team for making them.
Go back and watch the Duke game from last year. Try to watch with an open mind. What you'll see is a team that dominated us, that was faster and better conditioned than us, and who had experience at key positions that we did not.
The transfer portal absolutely played a role in that.
Was it the only reason? Of course not. But it was a reason.
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Clemson Icon [24892]
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Nothing since 1969
Aug 30, 2024, 8:14 PM
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Dynasty Maker [3126]
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Re: Nothing since 1969
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Aug 31, 2024, 7:31 PM
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where you at? clemson80tiger
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Fan [38]
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Re: Former Clemson Players at other schools we dont take any but a lot go elsewhere
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Aug 30, 2024, 8:42 AM
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UMass has a handful of former Clemson players on their roster. Jaelyn Lay, Frank Ladson,Jr., Etinosa Ruben, Paul Tchio, and Taisun Phommachanh,
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Commissioner [1229]
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Re: Former Clemson Players at other schools we dont take any but a lot go elsewhere
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Aug 30, 2024, 8:52 AM
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Really need to stop fretting about the transfer portal. As mentioned in some of the replies, guys transfer for any number of reasons. I believe when it comes to Srs and "grad" transfers it's guys clingy to a dream. The dream of an NFL career that most likely will not be realized. They need to grow up and get out. Look at Grayson McCall. What is he 30? A fine QB. Probably upper level. He's just after one more year. State thinks they need him for that one year. Ditto DJU. If you're that good, one, you wouldn't need to transfer or two, you'd already be on someone's roster in the NFL.
Sometimes things just don't work out for a kid. Underclassmen are already fighting for the job with the upper and constantly looking over their shoulder for the next guy coming in. I get it. You see your playing time about to be cut, you move. You're good, yet you're in a program that doesn't get a lot of exposure or it's DIII or DII, you move. Good for you.
The way the OP is presented, I'm guessing that the concern here is Clemson is training players to go and play elsewhere. May be. But so what? Plenty more out there and plenty more to come.
Go Tigers!
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Of all these guys listed below the Mukuba group,
Aug 30, 2024, 9:12 AM
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I don't think any of them would have played any role other than spot duty and roster filler. Ennis was/is a hard nosed player and maybe too early to tell about Ojiebe. I think the one guy that we may wind up missing the most is Toriano Pride.
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Re: Former Clemson Players at other schools we dont take any but a lot go elsewhere
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Aug 30, 2024, 9:38 AM
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Seeing how EJ Williams and Fred Davis’s careers have turned out has been interesting. So much potential. EJ flashed as a freshman.
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Re: Former Clemson Players at other schools we dont take any but a lot go elsewhere
Aug 30, 2024, 9:41 AM
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UMass has 4 former Clemson guys on their roster--Etinosa Reuben, Taisun Phommachanh, Frank Ladsen, and Jaelyn Lay
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Team Captain [476]
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Re: Former Clemson Players at other schools we dont take any but a lot go elsewhere
Aug 30, 2024, 9:41 AM
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And Paul Tchio, forgot about him
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All-TigerNet [5702]
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Replacing portal losses with HS recruits
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Aug 30, 2024, 9:43 AM
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Is not a sustainable model. We will have to properly engage the portal at some point.
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Re: Replacing portal losses with HS recruits
Aug 30, 2024, 11:31 AM
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It is sustainable if you recruit top 10. It would not be for those like Duke or Wake Forest that lag in the recruiting rankings.
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Tiger Titan [47344]
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It's not sustainable.
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Aug 30, 2024, 12:33 PM
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Before the transfer portal rules changed in April 2021, removing the requirement that transfer portal players sit out a year before playing at their new school, we were elite.
2018: 15-0, national champions
2019: 14-1, lost in national championship game
2020: 10-2, lost in college football playoffs
****Portal rules changed****
2021: 10-3, Cheez-It Bowl
2022: 11-3, won ACC, lost Orange Bowl
2023: 9-4, Gator Bowl
Granted, I think we had started to decline some prior to 2021. I think we were starting to see some of the fallout from inexperienced coaches Dabo had hired, as well as the increasingly vanilla approach to our offense. However, we were still one of the best programs in college football.
We have continued our decline since 2021. We have seen our losses gradually increase each year. We are no longer a playoff team. We are no longer a lock to win the ACC. We are losing to teams that we previously didn't lose to.
The transfer portal is not the only reason why we have seen this decline, but it is certainly a reason why some other schools have been able to improve their rosters in short order and why we haven't been able to dominate like we used to.
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Hopefully Dabo continues not to entertain free agents who say, "What can you do
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Aug 30, 2024, 9:55 AM
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for me?"
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Tiger Titan [47344]
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"We don't lose as many as other schools" is the salve that heals this wound.***
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Oculus Spirit [39633]
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Re: "We don't lose as many as other schools" is the salve that heals this wound.***
Aug 30, 2024, 11:28 AM
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That’s because the program is solid. The better players stick around. Those looking for more playing time move on. I am glad they have that opportunity without having to sit out for a year.
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Tiger Titan [47344]
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So you're good with 3-4 losses every year?
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Aug 30, 2024, 12:34 PM
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I'm not.
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Rival Killer [2903]
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Not am I******
Aug 30, 2024, 5:37 PM
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