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Clemson Icon [27692]
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I'm so confused about Dabo and the portal.
Dec 29, 2022, 1:06 PM
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Everything he said in this clip sounds reasonable, rational, logical and intelligent to me. Why do so many people disagree with what he is saying?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfUjUWU4Qno
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110%er [3868]
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Re: I'm so confused about Dabo and the portal.
Dec 29, 2022, 1:16 PM
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Armchair recruiters. One thing I think some miss on the portal is the fact that the truly high value players already have a destination. If they don't already have something worked out, they are going to the highest bidder. Doubt that's the type of kid Clemson wants. Again, he's not said he won't use it, he just doesn't feel the need. I have to agree with him so far. While a top level WR would be great, I kinda want to see what happens when our receivers have someone that can get the ball to them accurately and quickly.
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Re: I'm so confused about Dabo and the portal.
Dec 30, 2022, 4:42 PM
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It’s not that he’s the kind of kid Clemson doesn't want, he’s the kind Dumbo doesn't want!
He was front most and forward during the changes in college football that were going on 13-14 years ago, of course then he was praying to keep a job.
Fast forward to current times and he won’t evolve to what’s going on? He made changes before but of course that was before he put in all his BS recruiting rules, before a 15m salary and before 2 national champs!
Look, like it or not the Nintendo generation is running things now and if a kid can come to Clemson and grade out 90-95% in 10-12 games we should welcome him! So he’s cut a deal to make some money, guess you took the first job you interviewed for?
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Re: I'm so confused about Dabo and the portal.
Dec 30, 2022, 4:42 PM
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It’s not that he’s the kind of kid Clemson doesn't want, he’s the kind Dumbo doesn't want!
He was front most and forward during the changes in college football that were going on 13-14 years ago, of course then he was praying to keep a job.
Fast forward to current times and he won’t evolve to what’s going on? He made changes before but of course that was before he put in all his BS recruiting rules, before a 15m salary and before 2 national champs!
Look, like it or not the Nintendo generation is running things now and if a kid can come to Clemson and grade out 90-95% in 10-12 games we should welcome him! So he’s cut a deal to make some money, guess you took the first job you interviewed for?
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Tiger Titan [47445]
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Because we have clearly had needs that could’ve been addressed
Dec 29, 2022, 1:22 PM
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through the portal, but Dabo refused to use it.
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Re: Because we have clearly had needs that could’ve been addressed
Dec 29, 2022, 1:34 PM
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I know others feel the same so can you name a position from this past year or next year you would replace with a transfer.
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She can't. She only parrots other negative talking points
Dec 29, 2022, 2:04 PM
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about Dabo and the football program because she's mad at all those football fans who don't follow basketball and doesn't want them to be happy if she can't be happy.
This latest post - we had a position of need, a backup QB, and Dabo just went and used the transfer portal and brought in a backup QB - just goes to show what an ignorant auto-pilot troll she is.
Go Tigers.
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Tiger Titan [47445]
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Our coaches should be open to bringing in a transfer at every position.
Dec 29, 2022, 3:08 PM
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We have plenty of position groups lacking in talent or depth.
On offense, we have had issues at QB, WR, and OL for two years. On defense, we have had issues in the secondary. Linebacker play has been inconsistent.
I don’t believe that our coaches are scouring the portal to evaluate players and try to address deficiencies and needs. I think they rarely look at it, and only “use” it when someone else initiates it. Hunter Johnson contacted us last year, and a family member of Bear Bryant’s grandson contacted us this year. That doesn’t sound like our coaches are being proactive.
Perhaps they truly don’t think anyone from the portal can help us, but that seems misguided since our team has fallen short of its goals two years in a row now.
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Short term vision puts the long term at risk***
Dec 29, 2022, 3:32 PM
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Re: Short term vision puts the long term at risk***
Dec 29, 2022, 3:51 PM
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Reality interferes with fantasy.
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Re: Short term vision puts the long term at risk***
Dec 29, 2022, 7:55 PM
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You mean Kirby the guy who took 0 portal players last year? Him?
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Re: Short term vision puts the long term at risk***
Dec 29, 2022, 10:33 PM
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Careful to speak facts... you'll get crucified.
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Re: Short term vision puts the long term at risk***
Dec 30, 2022, 9:10 AM
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And how many did he take in prior years? Kirby has used the portal when there were players there that could benefit his team. Dabo throws Paul Tyson out there as an example of using the portal and I will give you an over/under of 15 snaps next year for him.
Nobody expects us to build a team through the portal, but it is reasonable for us to expect to get a productive player out of it every now and then. There are times when keeping a good class balance depends on using the portal. I disagree with JK about the consistency at LB, but Simpson left this year, Bentley transfers, and next year we are likely to lose Trotter and Carter. In order to keep all of our linebackers from being freshmen and sophomores in 2024 we probably need a transfer or 2.
If the players are appreciative that they don't have to compete, then we have the wrong players, anyhow.
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You don’t think coaches should always be trying to maximize every position
Dec 29, 2022, 10:02 PM
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on the team?
Best is the standard, after all.
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Clemson Sports Icon [58028]
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Re: You don’t think coaches should always be trying to maximize every position
Dec 29, 2022, 10:38 PM
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Only if you don't care about the commitments you've already made to other players.
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Tiger Titan [47445]
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If our commitment to players on our team is that we will never get other players
Dec 29, 2022, 11:31 PM
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who might be better than they are, we really need to rethink our approach.
In what messed up world does bringing in transfer portal players violate commitments we made to our players?
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Re: Our coaches should be open to bringing in a transfer at every position.
Dec 29, 2022, 6:58 PM
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So name the guys in the portal that we should have taken at each, or even any of those positions. We may need some help at certain positions, but who in the portal would fill those needs?
Easy to regurgitate the narrative but let’s hear some specifics.
I didn’t have time to listen to the video but have heard Dabo’s comments in the past and he will use the portal when the right guy is there.
So name the guys that fit your narrative.
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Tiger Titan [47445]
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Do you honestly believe that there were no WRs in the portal last year
Dec 29, 2022, 10:05 PM
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who might be able to start for us?
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Clemson Icon [27518]
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Re: Do you honestly believe that there were no WRs in the portal last year
Dec 29, 2022, 10:10 PM
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So you can’t provide one example??
Parrot.
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Tiger Titan [47445]
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There are plenty of examples
Dec 29, 2022, 11:51 PM
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but you don’t seem interested in truly discussing it.
I know exactly how this goes. I’ll mention names and you’ll either criticize the player’s skill, criticize their character, or suggest that they got paid to transfer. And if that doesn’t work, you’ll just default to trusting Dabo.
Maybe you will prove me wrong.
Jordan Addison won the 2021 Biletnikoff Award for best receiver in college football while at Pitt. We actually played against him last year, so our coaches had plenty of experience watching him. He transferred to USC.
Jermaine Burton was a receiver at Georgia and transferred last offseason to Alabama. He was a top 15 WR coming out of high school, considered by 247Sports to be a top 100 player in his class regardless of position.
Jadon Haselwood was the top receiver in his class coming out of high school. He was at Oklahoma and transferred last offseason to Arkansas.
Isaiah Neyor averaged 20 yards per catch and had 12 receiving TDs his senior year at Wyoming, and transferred last offseason to Texas.
There are plenty more we can discuss, but I believe these four WRs were all potential upgrades we could’ve gone after.
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Re: There are plenty of examples
Dec 30, 2022, 3:25 AM
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How do you know we didn’t “go after” them? Or do you know if there was discussion with them and either they weren’t interested or for some reason that again we don’t know, they weren’t a fit for Clemson? Do you really think they were not considered and discussed among the coaching staff??
Just because we didn’t sign them doesn’t prove your theory that we weren’t interested in them. Did we “go after” Mateo U? He didn’t end up at Clemson so does that mean Dabo doesn’t want to recruit high school players? Or maybe just HS players from CA?? I can cherry pick individual instances and make a broad assertion based on that one instance as well. Does that make sense??
It was reported that we talked to at least 2 OL transfer candidates last year and for some reason that even you don’t know, it didn’t work out. How does that fit with your story?
It just fits your parroted narrative that Dabo refuses to “use” the portal and allows you to throw a smoke screen at the football staff in your twisted way of trying to defend the basketball staff.
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Ultimate Tiger [33087]
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He’s a troll “bot” paid by TNet to post garbage to drive
Dec 30, 2022, 9:09 AM
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page loads, clicks, whatever the metric is for driving up value on these kinda sites.
If we would all just ignore him completely, it would eventually stop.
He adds absolutely nothing to this site but division & discord. Not a good look - especially by someone claiming to be a Christian.
Your points are great & right on - but his JOB is to continue the but, but, but in order to drive revenue for this site. imho
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Orange Blooded [2332]
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Re: There are plenty of examples
Dec 30, 2022, 9:27 AM
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He says in the video that you didn't watch that we have only gone after 3 or 4 over the last couple of years. You subtract out the couple of linemen that you mentioned and basic math says we didn't pursue all of the guys that JK mentioned.
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Standout [247]
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Re: There are plenty of examples
Dec 30, 2022, 5:27 AM
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Well let’s take the first one, jordan Addison. One semester at USC, bowl opt out. Clearly no interest in education will enter draft. Widely reported NIL deals to go to USC. Clearly no interest in Clemson or Paw Journey. I am not interested in this type player and looks like Dabo wasn’t either. USC not in the CFP with all that portal talent and neither are the other transfer destinations. No way to project if these would be upgrades or not, just speculation. Did I check all the boxes?
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Game Day Hero [4282]
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Interesting simple goal.
Dec 29, 2022, 7:28 PM
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Your comment rings hollow.
So for you, it is natty or nothing?
Yet in basketball you are constantly praising simply doing better than the low expectations of the media.
I’ll take Dabo and His coaches - much higher than Bad Brad and his. And - Bad Brad takes lots of portal potty players. How’s that working out for him?
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Re: Our coaches should be open to bringing in a transfer at every position.
Dec 30, 2022, 4:56 AM
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I disagree, Dabo and staff would be foolish to not scour the portal for players that can help and are the right fit. Dabo has been called many things but foolish is not a word that comes to mind.
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Re: Because we have clearly had needs that could’ve been addressed
Dec 29, 2022, 11:28 PM
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Did they want to come to Clemson?
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How would we know, we didn’t ask them.
Dec 29, 2022, 11:54 PM
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Dabo was too busy saying that he doesn’t like the portal and has his portal right there in our locker room.
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Game Changer [2029]
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Re: How would we know, we didn’t ask them.
Dec 30, 2022, 12:03 AM
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How do you know Clemson didn’t ask them? Is there a list of platers in the portal AND their offers that I am unaware of?
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Re: How would we know, we didn’t ask them.
Dec 30, 2022, 9:44 AM
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Is Clemson such a poor destination that EVERY other team in college football has attracted transfers that fit their programs, but we can't? Dabo talks about the changing landscape of college football in the video, yet he refuses to adapt to it.
I don't want us to make wholesale changes through the portal. I just want us to use it, and history says that we are not.
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Tiger Titan [47445]
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We could use starters or more quality depth at multiple positions.
Dec 29, 2022, 3:12 PM
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QB, WR, OL, LB, and DB come to mind.
Are you satisfied with these position groups, assuming that our goal is to be in the playoffs again next year?
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [99910]
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Yes, because guys who are 2nd or 3rd string on other teams
Dec 29, 2022, 3:55 PM
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are dying to come to Clemson to sit on our bench.
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Standout [247]
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Re: We could use starters or more quality depth at multiple positions.
Dec 30, 2022, 5:14 AM
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Being 1 of 4 in football is much harder than 1 of 68 not to mention 1 of the next 32!
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Re: Because we have clearly had needs that could’ve been addressed
Dec 29, 2022, 1:59 PM
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Did he really refuse to use it or did he choose to fill the gaps with late-signing recruits? We can debate if NR to 3* rated recruits is a better fit than the portal but the reality is Dabo did address the needs in the manner he wanted.
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Tiger Titan [47445]
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Yes, and the manner Dabo wanted is arguably not the best course of action.
Dec 29, 2022, 3:03 PM
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Our offense last year ranked in the bottom half of FBS in multiple key areas. If QB was the problem, as many of you say, why did we play that same QB again this year? Why wasn’t someone better added to the roster? It was the same excuse this year in terms of blaming the QB, and our offense was outside the top 50 in multiple categories. Dabo didn’t address this problem, at least not for 2022.
Was our offensive line playoff caliber last season? Most would say no. So what was done in the off-season to correct it? Was it playoff caliber this year? No, it wasn’t. Dabo didn’t address this problem.
Our receivers were horrible last year. What was done in the off-season to improve that unit this year? Not much, since they were bad this year as well. Dabo didn’t address this problem.
This year, our defense was thought to be the best in the country by some of you. Yet all we heard this year was excuses. “Our secondary is young.” Well, why were they so young and why weren’t some veteran defensive backs brought in?
Developing high school players once they get into the program is a nice goal to have, but when players don’t develop as planned and other players transfer out, expecting freshmen to come in and contribute their first year in any meaningful way is a horrible approach. Sure, a few here and there might, but most won’t.
I don’t disagree with Dabo’s philosophy, but it isn’t working. We’ve gone from a playoff team every year to a team that hasn’t been close to that two years in a row. If that isn’t evidence that we need to do something different, I don’t know what is.
If you want us to continue avoiding the portal to add meaningful contributors to our roster, then we need to be the best at developing talent. We aren’t. In fact, I’d say we have been pretty bad at it the last few years.
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Re: Yes, and the manner Dabo wanted is arguably not the best course of action.
Dec 29, 2022, 3:13 PM
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It is not an accurate statement to say we have not been close to the playoffs the last 2 years. We were very close this year. Had we not played such an all-around poor game against SC, we would have either been in the playoffs or we would have been one spot short. It would have come down to us and OSU and the discussion point would have been whether an ACC Championship trumped OSU beating the only team we would have lost to (ND). I'd say that is pretty close.
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We were not very close this year.
Dec 29, 2022, 3:52 PM
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You sound like Tommy Bowden and his “we were one play away” quote.
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Re: We were not very close this year.
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If the final is Clemson 32 USuCk 31 we are absolutely in the playoffs this year. Why don't you get a life and leave this board permanently? Your daily trolling has taken you down from 93% to 86% in just a couple of weeks and that's with a whopping 41 people on ignore. You're despicable and people here don't like you.
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Let me know when Brad has the best facilities in college basketball
Dec 29, 2022, 4:23 PM
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as well as a budget to get any assistant coaches he wants, then we’ll talk.
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Legend [6738]
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defends Brown L but questions Dabo on portal usage***
Dec 29, 2022, 4:25 PM
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Tiger Titan [47445]
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Brownell isn’t afraid to use the portal.
Dec 29, 2022, 10:08 PM
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He could teach Dabo a thing or two about how to use it.
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Game Changer [2029]
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Re: Brownell isn’t afraid to use the portal.
Dec 29, 2022, 11:31 PM
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Use it and still not win anything.
Oh wait. There is that world championship. How many portal players we’re on that team?
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Re: Brownell isn’t afraid to use the portal.
Dec 30, 2022, 9:31 AM
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He could teach Dabo a thing or two about how to use it.
Annnnd how many National championships he's won?...
Regular season championships?...
ACC Tournament championships?....
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Yes, this was the first year that’s happened.
Dec 29, 2022, 10:10 PM
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It only took 12 years. I guess the third AD Brad has had at Clemson is the charm!
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Re: Let me know when Brad has the best facilities in college basketball
Dec 29, 2022, 5:03 PM
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No amount of money is going to buy Brad Brownell vision or a personality. If he possessed those two traits, he would attract what you complain incessantly about not having.
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Re: Let me know when Brad has the best facilities in college basketball
Dec 29, 2022, 9:31 PM
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Dabo didn’t at the start of his tenure. Had to win an ACC title and then an Orange Bowl before big money was spent. When did Brownell win an ACC title but get refused better facilities?
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Re: We were not very close this year.
Dec 30, 2022, 5:00 AM
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It is not a stated goal of the program to make the CFP, only you.
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Orange Blooded [2332]
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Re: We were not very close this year.
Dec 30, 2022, 10:00 AM
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The CFP is not a stated goal but "Best is the Standard." Seems to me that it is a goal, though unstated. In the past Dabo has inferred that it is not a stated goal because there are factors out of our control and he doesn't want to put something on the board that might not be obtained even if we did everything right.
Don't fool yourself. Winning the National Championship is the goal of Dabo and every member of the team.
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Re: Yes, and the manner Dabo wanted is arguably not the best course of action.
Dec 29, 2022, 7:03 PM
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JK isn’t wrong here and it isn’t a binary argument. While we were very, very close to the playoffs, I think most fans would agree that we weren’t truly at a talent caliber that could have won it all.
We were also a play or two from having two more losses.
If we’re going to huff our own farts about this great culture, it should be able to withstand adding a few off-season parts in key areas through the portal. The players understand the new era and see their teammates leaving holes that can’t immediately be filled through recruiting.
I don’t like the NIL stuff either, especially the poaching of current players . Regulation absolutely needs to be put in place to curb that, otherwise just make it a semi-pro league affiliated with the colleges. That said, it does exist and I’m happy with how that part is being handled so far. It’s a very slippery slope and I think that bringing in transfers enticed by a NIL deal will have much more damage to a locker room than a player that just wants a bigger stage and opportunity.
My point is that JK’s analysis isn’t off base and there is no harm in holding the opinion that we should be more aggressive in bringing in a few players to bolster positions of need. There is simply no way we can maintain a top 4 talent level without using it. The team will be too young and while playing a softer ACC schedule helps, other teams will get stronger and make it relatively more competitive.
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Uh no he’s not.
Dec 29, 2022, 8:07 PM
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We could’ve had 5 regular season losses in 2016 but didn’t and won the Natty.
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1st Rounder [690]
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Re: Uh no he’s not.
Dec 29, 2022, 11:25 PM
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Yup, I’ll give you that, but it definitely felt different going into the bowls.
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That’s ridiculous.***
Dec 29, 2022, 3:13 PM
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more of the stoopid ^^^***
Dec 29, 2022, 3:42 PM
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what need then? Where on the field specifically in 2022
Dec 29, 2022, 4:22 PM
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Perhaps WR? - but we did not know Randall was going to be hurt, or the rest couldn't catch colds. Maybe O line? You think we beat ND, coots had we upgraded OL or WR given the QB play?
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Re: I'm so confused about Dabo and the portal.
Dec 29, 2022, 1:25 PM
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I guess people hear about others getting transfers and feel left out. I mean I would have a hard time naming a position where I would choose a transfer to start over what we have. Maybe Wide out but then again we have Collins, Williams, Ngata, and Turner. I mean the type of transfers people are looking for would mean someone else would have to sit and probably cause more players to transfer.
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everything is easy when you don't know what you're talking
Dec 29, 2022, 1:34 PM
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about. The portal is the amazon of CFB. Just order up a new QB or OL or DB, portal delivers a well-behaved, easy to please, straight A football player!
Dabo refuses to press the checkout button because he is stubborn and out of touch with how CFB works.
/S
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Solid Orange [1303]
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Re: everything is easy when you don't know what you're talking
Dec 29, 2022, 1:57 PM
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Yep it is easy
WHEN YOU (AS IN YOU) DONT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT
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110%er [9905]
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Re: everything is easy when you don't know what you're talking
Dec 29, 2022, 2:55 PM
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Might want to take your sarcasm meter in for maintenance.
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Valley Protector [1401]
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Solid Orange [1303]
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Re: I'm so confused about Dabo and the portal.
Dec 29, 2022, 1:54 PM
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I’m soooo sick of hearing about Dabo and the Portal. Just let Dabo Do Dabo
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Orange Blooded [2354]
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Re: I'm so confused about Dabo and the portal.
Dec 29, 2022, 2:19 PM
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It is in fact dangerous when everyone has a little bit of information/knowledge.
Here I go:
The portal has many facets;
a. Build a team: look at Colorado - running off kids bc they are bad players.
b. CFP caliber teams can upgrade: look at Bama, OHIO state - poaching really good players via ‘agents, cousins, girlfriends’ just making love connections bf player jumps in portal.
c. Improve average teams: look at coots - taking a chance on decent players who bigger programs have no need for (Rattler and no guarantee to play right away) and may adversely affect the established culture of a program.
It is obvious that Clemson is a lot of ‘b’ but Dabo seems to be concern with the negative side effect to our really good culture.
I get it (if my take on the portal is right)..why mess up a good thing. Only problem is other programs keep stealing our depth.
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Legend [6738]
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hope Dabo isn't sick - voice sounds rough.
Dec 29, 2022, 2:17 PM
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don't need an illness outbreak.
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Clemson Icon [27622]
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Really tough
Dec 29, 2022, 2:25 PM
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For me to find fault with Dabo. I really am very pleased that he is a big part of the university that I SUPPORT. Try it
You might like it.
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Hall of Famer [8244]
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Re: Really tough
Dec 29, 2022, 2:26 PM
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His comment does seem supportive of Dabo
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Legend [6738]
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fully 100% support Dabo. not sure why you think I don't***
Dec 29, 2022, 2:40 PM
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Clemson Icon [27622]
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Re: fully 100% support Dabo. not sure why you think I don't***
Dec 29, 2022, 4:26 PM
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My post was not intended to focus on you! I was only showing my support And I think that you agree with what I said.
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Hall of Famer [8244]
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Re: I'm so confused about Dabo and the portal.
Dec 29, 2022, 2:25 PM
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Somebody needs to give Dabo a lozenge or some hot tea
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Ring of Honor [21640]
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Re: I'm so confused about Dabo and the portal.
Dec 29, 2022, 2:41 PM
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Because they are idiots and need to fit in like the cool kids, I want to to know who Dabo is supposed to kick off the team to make room for portal guys.
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Associate AD [1041]
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Re: I'm so confused about Dabo and the portal.
Dec 29, 2022, 9:59 PM
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He doesn't have to kick anyone off, we have several leave through the portal that have not been replaced by anyone except Walk ons. We aren't proactive in the portal, Dabo doesn't want to be. It's his choice but I believe we could have benefited at wr this year and for next year's team. Dabo doesn't, and he is the one paid to make those decisions.
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National Champion [8031]
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For me it’s simple…the game has changed.
Dec 29, 2022, 3:11 PM
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The teams who are successfully navigating this new paradigm are the ones willing to change with the times. Just look at the playoff teams this year and last. You’ll see a healthy dose of transfers contributing.
Clemson lost this year to teams who got better through transfers.
It’s just another means of talent acquisition. Why limit your options, especially when you’re losing double digit players to the portal?
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Valley Protector [1401]
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Re: For me it’s simple…the game has changed.
Dec 29, 2022, 4:43 PM
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appears to be the only avenue to counterbalance the exfill side of portal w/o scrambling your offer sheet for scraps of scraps
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Standout [247]
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Re: For me it’s simple…the game has changed.
Dec 29, 2022, 5:49 PM
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Not entirely correct, Georgia lost 15 to NFL and 13 to portal yet took none from the portal in 2022. Dabo would be foolish to not evaluate the portal, which I don’t think he is, contrary to what JK thinks. I believe he has scoured the portal and either could not find the right fit or they decided to go elsewhere. And I believe it is about not only talent but Probly more about the right fit.
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Game Day Hero [4282]
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Re: For me it’s simple…the game has changed.
Dec 29, 2022, 7:39 PM
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100%. The minions hate when facts are used.
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National Champion [8031]
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Re: For me it’s simple…the game has changed.
Dec 29, 2022, 8:34 PM
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See my reply to tigerforlife85 for some more facts.
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National Champion [8031]
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Re: For me it’s simple…the game has changed.
Dec 29, 2022, 8:31 PM
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UGA’s defensive player of last year’s semifinal playoff game was Derion Kendrick, a transfer from Clemson. They also signed a transfer from IU in Nov of this year (counts against last year’s class). They have signed 2 WR transfers this year. If UGA can use transfers, as well as they recruit HS players, I’m sure we could find some that would help us.
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Game Day Hero [4282]
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Re: For me it’s simple…the game has changed.
Dec 29, 2022, 10:05 PM
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DK was asked to leave Clemson. Not a portal, a simple transfer as you stated.
Portal Peers
2023
UGA - 2
Bama - 1
Ohio state - 0
2022
UGA - 0
Bama - 5 (only 2 played)
Ohio state - 4
2021
UGA - 1
Bama - 1
Ohio state - 0
Averages
UGA - 1.00 per year
Bama - 2.33 per year
Ohio state - 1.33 per year
Not the impact that people think.
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National Champion [8031]
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Re: For me it’s simple…the game has changed.
Dec 29, 2022, 11:27 PM
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It doesn’t matter why Kendrick left Clemson. UGA picked him up as a transfer.
Also, your numbers are wrong. In 21 UGA took 3, not 1 as you stated. Kendrick, Arik Gilbert, and Tykee Smith
Also, in 21 Bama took 4, not 1. Brylan Lanier, Henry To’o To’o, Jack Martin, and Jamison Williams.
So in 21 and 22 (not counting 23 because it’s not done yet) Bama took 9 transfers and UGA took 4.
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Standout [247]
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Re: I'm so confused about Dabo and the portal.
Dec 29, 2022, 3:49 PM
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Bret
I don't disagree. However there are two small points I would like to make.
1. If someone who we initially recruited enters the portal, it seems like we could pursue them again if they suited our needs. They should still fit our "culture"
2. If we can be a developmental program and still compete in the CFP, then I am all for Dabo's approach. But if we are getting left behind competitively, then Dabo's approach seems to be more about being stubborn than anything else. Unless everybody at Clemson is OK with 10 & 2 or 9 & 3
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Head Coach [947]
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Re: I'm so confused about Dabo and the portal.
Dec 29, 2022, 4:39 PM
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People Disagree because they think they know more than they actually do. Are we lacking some talent in the WR room- Yes. The OL is pretty similar and perhaps more talented from a recruiting ranking standpoint than the OLs that played or won National Championship Games.
Dabo is not going to tamper with a player at another school, so the MS State and Mizzo receivers were never in play here. For Clemson to get a potential star player out of the portal, the stars would have to align. Lets say Mack Brown decides to retire in March and Paysour does not like the new Coach and goes into the portal after Spring Practice, that could be a possibility. Or Mafah and Ship both turn pro after next season and Etienne gets decides he does not want to play for Florida anymore. Stars aligning with players we recruited hard out of HS are the only way Clemson does what some fans want us to do with Poral Players.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [98436]
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Because we lost two game.
Dec 29, 2022, 4:46 PM
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The wingnuts think we need to tear it all down and start again.
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Tiger Titan [47445]
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So now using the portal = tearing it all down and starting over?!?
Dec 29, 2022, 10:21 PM
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Dramatic much?
Some of you seem to think everything is fine because we won a national championship a few years ago. If you’re happy winning 10 games then please, continue your circle jerk and living in the past.
But the reality is that we are a team that has underachieved two years in a row. We were predicted to be a playoff team and we weren’t. That should be disappointing to you.
You should be concerned by this trend.
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CU Medallion [18981]
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If you look back to the very beginning of the relaxation of
Dec 29, 2022, 6:28 PM
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transfer rules and then the portal itself, and his comments then, and now, they are roughly the same. He's never been against using it under the right circumstances, and would largely prefer the kids he does have to not transfer out. But it's part of the process now so use it in a way that fits for both the player and the program. His preference is long haulers, and that's largely what he gets and has the roster filled with.
He was also upfront then and spot on now on what a bad deal it is for too many kids who are losing a shot at a college education and edge up in life by giving up too soon and taking too big a chance.
Pretty sure last year Dabo saved two scholarship spots for transfers, OL mainly, that didn't pan out by summer so it was on to building within. Could be about that same number this year once the post-bowl shuffle takes place.
It's hard not to be stoked about where we are as a program right now and what's ahead. One thing is for sure, if a player is sporting the Paw, they are All In, all the way. You band all that together 11 on 11 week in and week out and you get a pretty tough out.
Go Tigers. And Go Noles v OK.
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110%er [3945]
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Bret your confused yet your team got a WR out of it
Dec 29, 2022, 6:45 PM
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One Clemson absolutely needed. Our receivers were not good at all this year, except a couple but they were severely inexperienced. We could have used a good solid experienced WR.
Portal recruiting is part of college recruiting now. And one Clemson is ranked last in the country in because we refuse to use the portal. I don't like the portal, and I think it is dirty, and that's probably why Dabo refuses to use it. But I don't think Clemson can keep up without it. To say it doesn't help....look at South Carolina. Got killed by Clemson 30-0 because they had no QB. Got Rattler in the portal. Beats Clemson. Rattler joins JT Daniels, Justin Fields and Joe Burrow as Portal QBs that beat Dabo. But they don't make a difference???
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Valley Protector [1401]
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6'7" with sub 4.6 speed, hope Wilson declares*
Dec 30, 2022, 12:46 AM
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who (if he will be drafted no late
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Head Coach [947]
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Re: Bret your confused yet your team got a WR out of it
Dec 30, 2022, 6:21 AM
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JT Daniels is a terrible example and helps prove the laziness of the portal discussion. Clemson lost to GA without giving up an offensive TD. Daniels got hurt and then could not beat out the Walkon that had taken them to two playoff appearances .
JT Daniels has a big name, but he is not a very good quarterback.
Jermaine Burton who left GA and went to Bama was another big name. His stats are very similar to Ngata.
You can use the Burrow and Fields examples as successes, but they were not coming to Clemson to complete with Trevor.
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Game Day Hero [4282]
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Not confusing when you narrow who the negative nellies are.
Dec 29, 2022, 7:24 PM
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Because non-fans like JK and his minions try and criticize Dabo every chance they get - due to jealousy of football vs basketball.
Dabo would take a great player if the circumstances were right. It is clearly a slippery slope on taking a lot of portal players. Take too many and high schoolers don’t trust you. So, you better choose wisely if you are already loaded.
The minions also don’t get that every player in the portal already has a list of where they want to go. Dabo does not blanket offer like a lot of schools - thus - many players don’t already have a strong relationship with Clemson.
The minions won’t go away, even without facts on their side. So, best to simply ignore them.
Dabo will do what is best for the team.
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Orange Blooded [2263]
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This man gets it.
Dec 29, 2022, 7:59 PM
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Clemson Icon [27622]
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Re: This man gets it.
Dec 29, 2022, 8:01 PM
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You’re right. I wish it was contagious!
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110%er [3945]
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Well I don't get it
Dec 29, 2022, 8:19 PM
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If everyone else uses a resource we don't, how is that good? I not saying build your team on portal transfers...but if you have a need, why not use it. We are loaded? Not at wide receiver. Look at the WRs we had last year. Just not good. Then a few of them portal out. And our receiving core this year is poor. Why not at least bring in a couple of WRs to help out to replace them? WE ARE NOT LOADED AT WIDE RECEIVER!
and the offensive line could use some depth. But sure, just insult people who have a different opinion than you. An opinion shared by most national and local sports gurus.
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CU Medallion [18981]
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Who do we cut to make room?
Dec 29, 2022, 8:31 PM
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Ask yourself that when not getting it.
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Orange Blooded [2332]
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Re: Who do we cut to make room?
Dec 30, 2022, 10:35 AM
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For how many years have we had a Swinney on scholarship? I think Dabo can afford the tuition and we don't lose anybody. That wasn't too hard.
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CU Medallion [18981]
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Re: Who do we cut to make room?
Dec 30, 2022, 1:10 PM
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According to NCAA rules, in order to compete in a game a player must count towards the 85-person scholarship limit. Considering a Swinney kid has yet to botch a single hold in however many years they've been at it - I'd say that's a pretty good use of a roster spot on Dabo's part.
Knock on wood.
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Re: Well I don't get it
Dec 30, 2022, 10:50 AM
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If you were a WR in the portal at the beginning of the year and you saw how DJ played in 2021, would you want to come to Clemson as a WR?
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Re: I'm so confused about Dabo and the portal.
Dec 29, 2022, 8:10 PM
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Who are the top 10 receivers available? Which ones already have a destination? Which ones are open for a bid and what is the likely bidding price? If a Clemson related NIL business is going to be paying for the NIL contract, is there going to be a quid pro quo requiring that said transfer a player start?. If the money is guaranteed, is the playing time guaranteed? It’s not like there’s an owner who can eat the cost of the contract. For example, If Dr. Pepper agrees to pay the NIL money to a Clemson quarterback, for example, maybe Clemson is obligated to start that quarterback and even play that quarterback all the way through a rivalry game in week 12 even if the best thing for the team is switch quarterbacks. Guaranteed money in the contract - guaranteed playing time and exposure for the business. Is that a thing? Just asking for a friend
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Orange Blooded [2332]
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Re: I'm so confused about Dabo and the portal.
Dec 30, 2022, 10:40 AM
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A) The school is not allowed to be involved with the NIL deals.
B) If Dabo was making guarantees of playing time for any reason, I would be more upset than for his stubbornness with the transfer portal.
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Game Day Hero [4320]
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Re: I'm so confused about Dabo and the portal.
Dec 29, 2022, 8:15 PM
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People who disagree may assume his main reason is faith. Many take offense to that based on what they believe. Just the world. But his explanation clearly shows that though faith could be a reason, he also applies other reasoning towards his stance.
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Letterman [290]
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Re: I'm so confused about Dabo and the portal.
Dec 29, 2022, 8:41 PM
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Because all these people that cry about the portal think they are better than Dabo. Dabo said today:
We've recruited 3-4 guys in the portal since last year, but they went elsewhere."
SO THERE YOU GO, transfer portal snowflakes. Just bc a player is in the portal does not mean he's yours. This isn't the NFL Waiver Wire. But the Fan Transfer Portal is wide open.
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Game Day Hero [4282]
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Re: I'm so confused about Dabo and the portal.
Dec 29, 2022, 9:38 PM
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Well said. 100%.
The portal potty supporters just like to complain about something.
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Tiger Titan [47445]
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So Dabo deserves a gold star because he tried to get 3-4 players from the portal?
Dec 29, 2022, 10:27 PM
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Give me a break.
You mean to tell me that the same coach who is known as a great recruiter, who signs a top 5-10 recruiting class every year of high school players, is trying hard to get transfer portal players and can’t do it?
If he really wanted to use the portal to add real talent to our roster, he would. But he isn’t. He’s either scared of the unknown or significantly overrating the talent on our roster. In either instance, it’s concerning.
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Re: So Dabo deserves a gold star because he tried to get 3-4 players from the portal?
Dec 29, 2022, 10:38 PM
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Or maybe the limited number of guys in the portal that play positions where we have a need don’t want to play at Clemson. Even if Dabo wanted to and tried to get them, they also have a say in the decision.
I’ll give you a break. You should take a break on this narrative. It’s almost time for the dead horse memes.
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Re: So Dabo deserves a gold star because he tried to get 3-4 players from the portal?
Dec 30, 2022, 10:53 AM
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I said this above but with all the QB issues we had in 2021, why would a WR in the portal have wanted to come to Clemson for the 2022 season?
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Re: So Dabo deserves a gold star because he tried to get 3-4 players from the portal?
Dec 30, 2022, 5:10 AM
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I disagree, the expectation of a portal player is the same as a HS player. He will Be More/Do More than just make the football team better. This creates a very select group. I for one like this philosophy..
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Dabo hates the portal.
Dec 29, 2022, 10:05 PM
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He thinks we're better off without it right now. He'll use it if we need it.
What is so hard to understand?
FSU should use it exclusively right now, because they need it.
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Re: I'm so confused about Dabo and the portal.
Dec 30, 2022, 8:31 AM
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Georgia signed the top 2 WR players in the portal. Didn't seem the affect their recruiting or culture.
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Re: I'm so confused about Dabo and the portal.
Dec 30, 2022, 11:04 AM
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The WR from Missouri was someone who GA recruited hard out of HS so a pretty good relationship already existed there. I checked and Clemson did not recruit this guy at all. The MSU WR was not recruited by either as he was a mid-level 3* out of HS who did have a solid 2022 season at MSU. Both guys are SEC guys and I think it would have been hard for Clemson to land either one of them.
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Re: I'm so confused about Dabo and the portal.
Dec 30, 2022, 9:29 AM
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It may also be a situation where Clemson just can't afford to be a player in the portal but Dabo doesn't want to just come right out and say that. Nobody who would come in and be a major contributor is going to be cheap and we may already have all our money invested in the current roster and recruits. We all know Clemson doesn't have nearly the financial resources of some of the other major players so expecting us to outbid them for players we don't really know may be wishful thinking.
For all we know Clemson is trying hard to get players but they just can't afford them.
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Re: I'm so confused about Dabo and the portal.
Dec 30, 2022, 10:56 AM
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"For all we know" is the most relevant statement on this board because we don't know much when it comes to the internal workings that are playing out within the football program and what is really going into these decisions.
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Re: I'm so confused about Dabo and the portal.
Dec 30, 2022, 12:21 PM
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I don't care, but in that photo the Tennessee coach is even more amusing looking than normal. I can't believe this guy played football.
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