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Paw Master [16595]
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F-47 indeed. "EU Slams the door on US in colossal defense plan"
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Mar 21, 2025, 1:33 PM
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https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-freeze-us-multi-billion-defense-plan-arm-makers/
Trump's rhetoric and behavior...in just a two month span...might end up costing our defense contractors hundreds of billions of dollars. Making a clear statement to not only are biggest and closest allies, but to the biggest purchasers of our defense industry's products...that you cannot trust us...may very well have cost L-M and Boeing access to many European (and Canadian) markets for years to come. It also might have created a stronger competitor in Europe if they collectively invest as they are indicating.
Could be a remarkable unforced error with enormous long-term implications to our defense industry. For nothing.
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I think its good for them to grow up and move out of our basement.***
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Yeah. You'd think the world's greatest deal maker would have figured out a
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Mar 21, 2025, 1:53 PM
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way to have them significantly ramp-up their militaries while we remained a viable source of needed military equipment.
But what do I know?
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Re: Yeah. You'd think the world's greatest deal maker would have figured out a
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Mar 21, 2025, 2:09 PM
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It's worth losing the 10's of billions of dollars. Trump is playing chess. You'll see.
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Re: Yeah, when has a militarized Europe ever been a problem historically?***
Mar 21, 2025, 6:05 PM
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I don't mind them being militarized if they are our allies and they are buying from us. That sounds like the perfect scenario.
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Re: F-47 indeed. "EU Slams the door on US in colossal defense plan"
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Mar 21, 2025, 1:45 PM
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this is good news, the threat is china
competition could improve the jets and lower the cost per unit
keep the good news coming
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Paw Master [16595]
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What's louder than "whistling" past a graveyard?***
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So this exposes Trumpkins as about as uninformed as possible.
Mar 21, 2025, 2:10 PM
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Anyone who would have this much bravado over the arms dealers getting shut out really doesn't understand what a stupid move this is politically for Trump.
If it's hard, imagine a world where a historically Republican-favoring industry swings the other way in the next election.
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Re: F-47 indeed. "EU Slams the door on US in colossal defense plan"
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Mar 21, 2025, 1:48 PM
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Even if they started the process tomorrow they wouldn't take possession of anything for many years after Trumps gone so they're morons if they make a long term national defense decision based on who is POTUS today. Of course most of Europe is run by morons so this could definitely be the case.
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Re: F-47 indeed. "EU Slams the door on US in colossal defense plan"
Mar 21, 2025, 1:50 PM
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europe has been exposed for no armies or equipment
trump is saving them from themselves
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Re: F-47 indeed. "EU Slams the door on US in colossal defense plan"
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Mar 22, 2025, 1:00 PM
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europe has been exposed for no armies or equipment
trump is saving them from themselves
I can't disagree with that. The Europeans forgot along the way that it was their asz's they need to save. I think Trump is unstable and dangerous, but he should get credit where it's due. His treatment of the EU has been good for them and us.
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A drunk at a bar. What are you even arguing?
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Mar 23, 2025, 6:12 PM
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No one thinks Europe is better off without an aligned USA. But without the US being a trustworthy ally, they are making sure they are safe. They are leaving us because we already left them.
You act like we are being good allies and they are flipping us the bird.
They are ramping up their military spending because they don’t trust us.
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Re: A drunk at a bar. What are you even arguing?
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Mar 24, 2025, 1:04 AM
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The EU better sh!+ or get off the pot because their 5 to 10 year plan to ready NATO without the U.S. needs to be closer to 5 years. There's not going to be another Democrat president to keep bailing them out financially for at least the next 12 or so years.
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Paw Master [16595]
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Alright bartender, cut him off.
Mar 24, 2025, 10:07 AM
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Do you even know what you’re arguing? Or do you perceive that SOMEBODY said SOMETHING about your dear pappy and darn it, you ain’t taken’ it! You’ll fight the whole bar! You don’t care!
So, it is urgent that they be able to defend themselves within five years from…who? Russia? Us? I’m just trying to understand because some of your MAGA friends scoff at the idea that our misunderstood Russian friends only want Ukraine and then they’ll stop. Do you see it differently, and if so, how?
You understand that the point of this thread is that Europe IS waking up to the fact that they cannot trust us? And the fact that the World’s Greatest Dealmaker ensured that they started a massive buildup of their military while also not trusting us enough to include our companies in their plans? You understand the potential costs to those companies? In lost sales, in the possibility that they’ll have to compete with a better capitalized (better than they previously were) European arms option? Meaning more investment or tighter margins for decades to come?
I’m not saying that WILL happen. I’m saying that Trump has created the perfect situation FOR it to happen. And he did it FOR NOTHING.
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So...your argument is that Trump's approach to allies will only last during
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Mar 21, 2025, 1:51 PM
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his term. That JD Vance...if he replaces Trump...would be different? Or are you assuming a Democrat will lead?
"Moron" would be someone who just says "Let's just stick it out with a guy that seems to prefer Russia over Europe...I'm sure the next guy will align back with us and this will never happen again." All while Russia is knocking at your door. THAT would be moronic.
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Re: So...your argument is that Trump's approach to allies will only last during
Mar 21, 2025, 1:55 PM
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france has nukes, pooty aint gon knock on that door
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Europe is run by morons? hahahahahaha.
Mar 22, 2025, 10:29 AM
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You can't be serious. Have you seen how trump has put in charge of departments? LOL.
Europeans lead far better lives than Americans by any metric you want to talk about. Life expectancy, happiness, health, education, and healthcare.....
Most Americans live paycheck to paycheck, many without healthcare or savings - and about to lose Medicaid and Social Security. We have the highest infant mortality rate and healthcare costs in the "free" world. I use that term loosely for the USA. I could go on and on.
The morons are the maga idiots and the whole trump admin. I mean, heck, we have a Fox Entertainment host heading the Department of Defense. It's like a bad South Park episode. America is the laughingstock of the world.
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All those negatives happened in the three months of this Presidency...?
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Mar 22, 2025, 8:39 PM
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Are you really that Frickin' stupid?
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Re: F-47 indeed. "EU Slams the door on US in colossal defense plan"
Mar 21, 2025, 1:49 PM
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Yeah, I'll believe that the EU is serious when they commit the Euros. I think we are going to seee a massive backlash in their populations . See, they do not want to give up that free stuff( not really free).
Well, the Europeans at least know how to riot/protest.
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Re: F-47 indeed. "EU Slams the door on US in colossal defense plan"
Mar 21, 2025, 1:51 PM
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zelensky found out the hard way
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Re: F-47 indeed. "EU Slams the door on US in colossal defense plan"
Mar 21, 2025, 1:51 PM
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Trump is fool.
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Re: F-47 indeed. "EU Slams the door on US in colossal defense plan"
Mar 21, 2025, 1:52 PM
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nyet
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Re: F-47 indeed. "EU Slams the door on US in colossal defense plan"
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Mar 21, 2025, 10:27 PM
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That adorable you old fossil. You still got it after all of these years. Bless your heart. That's neat. Way to go!
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Re: F-47 indeed. "EU Slams the door on US in colossal defense plan"
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That adorable you old fossil. You still got it after all of these years. Bless your heart. That's neat. Way to go!
You're still a habitual liar and about the dumbest person I've seen on here. Youre just a fence walking, waffling MF that goes with what you think will get you a TU. You're so stupid, you've changed opinions in the middle of posts and think people don't notice.
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Re: F-47 indeed. "EU Slams the door on US in colossal defense plan"
Mar 22, 2025, 1:02 PM
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Listen you ignorant moron. Pipe down. I call issues exactly as I see them and I don't lie. Just because you are some old senile dude likely in his last 10 years in Earth don't take it out on me. You made it almost to the end. A full life of ignorance and stupidity and ended up in a cult. Now pipe down and enjoy your last few years on this planet.
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Didn't think about this, but yeah. Wow.
Mar 21, 2025, 2:08 PM
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Pissing off the military industrial complex in America would be a very bad and very dangerous move for a president.
Trump sure is finding a way to make the people who would love him actually hate him.
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I mean, Boeing has had whistleblowers offed for less than this....***
Mar 21, 2025, 2:09 PM
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you know...allegedly
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Just a crazy coincidence!***
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The first time Putin causes trouble over there again....
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Mar 21, 2025, 7:41 PM
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they will all be at the White House begging us to bail them out again. The EU is an emasculated group of socialists and morons. Nobody is afraid of them or their militaries including Putin!
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Re: The first time Putin causes trouble over there again....
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That's the point of the thread. They know they can't count on us because Trump sides with Putin and they need to build up their militaries to be prepared.
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Re: F-47 indeed. "EU Slams the door on US in colossal defense plan"
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So, I read the EU is considering removing the U.S. from NATO, about time they took responsibility and stopped hiding behind our coat tails. They'll cave, mark it down.
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Re: F-47 indeed. "EU Slams the door on US in colossal defense plan"
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We want them buying our weapons. That's the point of the story and we don't what the trend that Trump's blunders are setting up. Time will tell what happens.
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what is so amazing is that
Mar 24, 2025, 10:41 AM
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one dude in one country sez something, and now you've written a book about the collapse of the US DIB.
Laughable.
Go back to promoting women in men's sports - that's a more legitimate position.
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And you once again engage in your long-term stupidity
Mar 24, 2025, 11:18 AM
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If you can't imagine what defense corporations will do when they can't count on Trump or the Pubs to secure them contracts, then I imagine you'll be sitting around dumbfounded in '26 or '28 when they're tossed out.
Promoting women in men's sports? What are you even rambling about?
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Re: F-47 indeed. "EU Slams the door on US in colossal defense plan"
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I don't see how any sane person awards the contract to Boeing at this point. Maybe split it with Lockheed as lead just to keep Boeing in business, but no way do they get the whole contract unless some orange f*cker has taken a bribe. This idiot is intent on taking us back to the 1890s when we had large tariffs, but were the sixth or seventh major power in the world. I guess that as long as we fall below Russia, he has completed his purpose.
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God what a dumba$$
Mar 24, 2025, 10:43 AM
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Boeing won the contract under the Biden administration.
Pathetic uninformed idiot.
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How much better is it than the F-22?
Mar 23, 2025, 12:53 AM
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Is it a real difference maker?
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Re: F-47 indeed. "EU Slams the door on US in colossal defense plan"
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they should buy a bunch of these
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Re: F-47 indeed. "EU Slams the door on US in colossal defense plan"
Mar 23, 2025, 7:58 PM
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Largely replaced by drones.
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Re: F-47 indeed. "EU Slams the door on US in colossal defense plan"
Mar 23, 2025, 8:07 PM
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maybe in a static front
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Yeah, right. Let them
Mar 24, 2025, 10:35 AM
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take at look at the other options. They have no other options.
Trump should increase the cost by $50M each.
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Re: Yeah, right. Let them
Mar 24, 2025, 10:43 AM
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Exactly. This is good news You're on it.
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lol. The Art of the Deal, ladies and gentlemen.
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Just so I don’t waste my time throwing pearls before swine, can you specifically list the items designed and sold by US makers for which there is no alternative for our former allies?
I’m not saying there aren’t any…I just want to see if you can list them.
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